Bye-Bye WIN VISTA (too bad)

[nerp]

If you did a fresh install, Vista should find your drivers pretty easily I'm guessing. Often, you can get away with ignoring the manufacturer supplied drivers for most everything.

 

[C1]

POSTNOTE:

Yes, all installs were fresh.

I almost never play DvD from disks. When I say playing a DvD, I mean that Im playing the decrypted file from the HDD & that's what's used when testing.


Also, the favorable reports for notebooks running at the equivalent (or sometimes even less) hardware level (than A6110) suggests to me that Fujitsu may have provided one or more bad software drivers or a bad slipstream or even modfied the OS for their proprietary implementation thereby resulting in unfavorable/problematic performance issue. If resources were unlimited, I would love to load an off-the-shelf VISTA & load the latest available drivers manually & repeat test the system. After encountering the PowerDvD 7 provided (modified) by Fujitsu (at least for their logo), nothing would surprise me.( In fact, the unfavorable performance of PowerDvD 7 could be nothing but a symptom of a defective Fujitsu restoration package/bundle.)

If you think about it, that's exactly what I did for WINXP. That is, I loaded from a retail Microsoft version of XP not a Fujitsu created restoration of it (as I dont even have one). Is this comparing apples to apples? (Possibly not.)

PS: Just heard over the local radio (760KFMB here in San Diego) that Microsoft is going to lower (significantly) the price of some of its versions of VISTA (the Business & Home versions I think). Keep an eye/ear out for this if you intend to purchase soon.


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[Gaurav Duggal]

Install Windows XP MCE05 and apply vista transformation pack on it and you'll have the performance of XP, the looks of windows vista. My Dad has windows Vista Buisness edition installed on his HP Laptop having an Intel T7500 (2.2ghz) 2GB 667mhz RAM, 160GB 5400RPM hard disk, Ati HD2600Pro mobile graphics and even so he finds the responsiveness lacking. I found it slower on Vista than my destop on XP - which scored lower in 3dmark 06, ran performance test slower on and every game I've played slower.

 

[C1]

Thanks for the information Gaurav Duggal.
Sounds interesting.
I'll look into it further.


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[Mem]

Anybody that is using a laptop/notebook with Nvidia based onboard graphics chip,I highly recommend downloading a newer modded Nvidia video drivers from here especially if you are using drivers from OEM companies like Dell which are very old.


All you have to do is download the driver of your choosing then makesure you download the modded INF file and move it into where you downloaded the main drivers,just say yes to replace the other inf files in the drivers folder.


I'm using the 171.12s for my Dell Vosta which has 8600M GT,no problems with gaming or stability in general,hardest part is choosing which driver to download since you have so many choices to choose from,different drivers work best for different people etc..

They have a good FAQs which should cover most questions ie why use modded drivers,simple answer to that is they are a lot newer then ones from OEM companies.

 

[flexy]

Mem, tell me about it !!!

I had problems on a *brandnew* toshiba which i wiped, installed Vista Ultimate and used all the oriiginal drivers right off Toshiba's site. The screen was flickering occasionally, i already thought we have to send it in but the longer it lasted, the clearer it was it cannot be a hardware issue.

So i went to http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/ and got me the latest desktop (!) catalysts and modded them with this tool. Installed new drivers on laptop - problem gone!

G.

 

[nerp]

A lot of manufacturers don't do a good job keeping up with the driver updates from NVIDIA. The modified .inf trick works really well.

 

[C1]

Thanks for the suggestion. I updated the video driver with no noticeble change.

Basically Im done with my evaluation of A6110/VISTA/WINXP.
I really enjoy the physical machine & certainly am keeping it.
It is also fun using & working with VISTA.
The new face is refreshing & I actually enjoy the differentness.

A large part of me wants to stay with the new OS. Certainly if all things were equal (ie, performance & compatibility) I would definitely stay with it & Id even accept some reduced performance. But having to accept reduced performance along with investing more money to replace non-compatible apps is probably the show stopper. (Im supposed to be enthralled with paying for the latest floor model machine as well as investing in new copying software & utilities, etc. along with the sacrifice of performance for what?) I ask myself am I better off with VISTA & the answer is .....not really. I have my formula for packaging my machines with the many applications which I found most useful & which work & together. When done the whole thing is sealed up with Centurion's Drive Shield (so I never had a spyware or virus issue to deal with - at least one that I have had to personally do some hands on.) "So where's the beef with VISTA?"

In any event, thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will continue to use VISTA a little while longer till I am tired of it (eg, for a few more weeks). But when it comes time to load the Tax programs, Multimedia & Graphics progarms (most & much of what I do - multimedia, big file transfers & multitasking ) then you can bet your sweet bottom that Im flying with XP (hands on comparison is believing).


PS: By-the-way, Ive gotten at least five phonecalls in the last two months from friends asking my how they might downgrade their new machines? Also today when I went out to Fujitsu USA to check the VISTA Video Driver (tried both Fujitsu & Intel sites) I noticed that Fujitsu has NOW INCLUDED THE WINXP DRIVER SUITE FOR A6110 !!!!! THIS IS NEW & SUGGESTS THAT THE COMPANY MUST BE UNDER PRESSURE FROM CONSUMERS. IN FACT I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE DRIVER VERSIONS ARE UPDATES OVER THE SINGAPORE SITE WHERE THE OPTION FOR DRIVERS AS A FUNCTION OF OS WAS PROVIDED.

In all of this dont get me wrong. I firmly believe that VISTA OS is the way of the future & in two more years (when the hardware catches up - average level) previous OS versions will be completely unacceptable/unthinkable (standard operating procedure). MS headed a steep upward trajectory with VISTA & at this time the transition is tough (for many & for various reasons).


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[Mem]

Originally posted by: C1

Thanks for the suggestion. I updated the video driver with no noticeble change.

Basically Im done with my evaluation of A6110/VISTA/WINXP.
I really enjoy the physical machine & certainly am keeping it.
It is also fun using & working with VISTA.
The new face is refreshing & I actually enjoy the differentness.

A large part of me wants to stay with the new OS. Certainly if all things were equal (ie, performance & compatibility) I would definitely stay with it & Id even accept some reduced performance. But having to accept reduced performance along with investing more money to replace non-compatible apps is probably the show stopper. (Im supposed to be enthralled with paying for the latest floor model machine as well as investing in new copying software & utilities, etc. along with the sacrifice of performance for what?) I ask myself am I better off with VISTA & the answer is .....not really. I have my formula for packaging my machines with the many applications which I found most useful & which work & together. When done the whole thing is sealed up with Centurion's Drive Shield (so I never had a spyware or virus issue to deal with - at least one that I have had to personally do some hands on.) "So where's the beef with VISTA?"

In any event, thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will continue to use VISTA a little while longer till I am tired of it (eg, for a few more weeks). But when it comes time to load the Tax programs, Multimedia & Graphics progarms (most & much of what I do - multimedia, big file transfers & multitasking ) then you can bet your sweet bottom that Im flying with XP (hands on comparison is believing).


PS: By-the-way, if VISTA is so wonderful then how come Ive gotten at least five phonecalls in the last two months from friends asking my how they might downgrade their new machines?


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SP1 installation might help,as to your last question a lot of people don't always like something new or different,my brother got Vista for the first time and he actually prefers it to XP,you don't always hear all the positive comments on Vista by users,I remember the 2K users saying whats so special about XP,you can't please everybody.

I'm typing this post on my new Dell laptop(has Vista x86) not had a single crash since I got it over a week ago,I do have SP1 installed .

 

[C1]

Thanks. I will give it a try as Im still in the "tinkering phase".

 

[greyeyezz]

:thumbsup:

Nero adds it's own indexing and search service to Vista which is hard to disable.




What's so hard about disabling NMindexing? Nero functions perfectly here.

 

[JSK07]

It's a shame a person cannot buy a brand new retail PC these days and just take it home and go. Instead they often have to weed through several useless "free" applications on a hacked version of Windows. I've had success with getting Vista to run well but usually that required me to upgrade into 3-4gb of ram.

 

[Tarrant64]

The experiences people have are so different that it's hard to say whether or not it truly is Vista that sucks. Yeah, it has its flaws, but so did XP back in the day.

I upgraded to a C2D with 2GB RAM from an A64 with 1GB RAM and chose Vista. I just like to keep updated and try new things every once in awhile. I had my crashes several times, and getting it installed was a mess for me. After doing some research, finding out what helps, things to install or remove, I'm moving a long wayyy faster than I was in XP.

Blah blah blah blah blah.


Another sob story about another user going back to XP. And you're conclusion:

"This computer is supposed to be an integrated unit with software applications tailored by Fujitsu to work with the VISTA operating system all of which are intended to work with the chosen hardware suite. The conclusion Ive come to is that it is a "too hard to do" for anybody to get everything working together properly when using VISTA. "

Buying into the whole "optimized for Vista" is your own fault. Research could have told you that. It's not too hard to do for anyone to get everything working properly.