Bye Bye Blackberry?

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Supreme Court rules against BlackBerry
High court rejects Research in Motion petition to consider ruling that could shut e-mail service.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - BlackBerry maker Research in Motion was dealt a setback Monday after the Supreme Court turned down a request to review a major patent infringement ruling against it.

The move takes away yet another barrier between BlackBerry users and service interruptions. There are more than 4 million users of the BlackBerry e-mail service.

Research In Motion (RIM) had petitioned the Supreme Court to review a federal appeals court ruling that could lead to a shutdown of most U.S. BlackBerry sales and service.

The legal issue confronting RIM goes back five years. In 2001, NTP, a patent holding company, filed a suit against RIM claiming that the BlackBerry infringed on its patents. A jury found in favor of NTP and awarded the company damages. Last year, RIM and NTP reached a tentative $450 million settlement, but the deal fell apart.

NTP is scheduled to file a request for an injunction on Feb. 1, although the judge who will rule on that request has not set a timetable on when to expect that decision.

The Supreme Court's decision to not review the case doesn't bode well for RIM, according to Ken Weitzman, a partner at legal firm Chadbourne and Parke in New York. "There will likely be an injunction. The question is what is the scope of the injunction," Weitzman said.

The court has discretion. In a worst-case scenario, an injunction could force RIM to shut down the BlackBerry system, potentially affecting most of RIM's approximately 4.3 million U.S. subscriber accounts. NTP has said an injunction would not affect BlackBerry products used by U.S. federal, state, or local governments.

But analysts said the Supreme Court decision wasn't surprising and that a blackout of the BlackBerry service is unlikely, even if an injunction is issued. That's partly because RIM has been preparing a workaround plan.

"Not much has changed from yesterday to today," Rob Sanderson, an analyst with American Technology Research, said. He expects RIM to either settle with NTP or deploy its workaround plan if faced with an injunction.

RIM has not publicized details of its contingency software workaround designs but it said in a statement that "it intends to implement (them) if necessary to maintain the operation of BlackBerry services in the United States."

If RIM is prevented from deploying a workaround plan, then a settlement is a more likely outcome than shutdown of the service, according to Ben Bollin, an analyst with FTN Midwest Research.

Bollin estimates a one-time payment of around $700 million to $1 billion would provide RIM with a wholly prepaid license to ensure the product's availability going forward.

RIM (down $1.56 to $65.06, Research) shares were down nearly 3 percent in midday trading on the Nasdaq after having fallen by as much as 5 percent immediately after the ruling.

 

Syringer

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The ramifications of this is extremely drastic.

Though the Blackberry is relatively recent, and companies survived before and will survive after this BB era...The in between adjustment period for businesses and more importantly hospitals and what not willi be tough.

What will this mean for Sprint's Treo though?
 

FoBoT

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they just have to pay $ to the patent holder
"then a settlement is a more likely outcome than shutdown of the service, according to Ben Bollin, an analyst with FTN Midwest Research. "
 

BCYL

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I highly doubt there will be service interruptions, RIM will just have to pay a LARGE sum of money to settle with NTP
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Syringer
The ramifications of this is extremely drastic.

Though the Blackberry is relatively recent, and companies survived before and will survive after this BB era...The in between adjustment period for businesses and more importantly hospitals and what not willi be tough.

What will this mean for Sprint's Treo though?

It means that stocks are going to skyrocket ... buy buy buy!

Who actually owns the Treo? Sprint, Palm, or a third party?
 

RichardE

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Check P&N for a thread on this, the patent office is already dismissing the patents, the judge rushed it through before they were done.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Syringer
The ramifications of this is extremely drastic.

Though the Blackberry is relatively recent, and companies survived before and will survive after this BB era...The in between adjustment period for businesses and more importantly hospitals and what not willi be tough.

What will this mean for Sprint's Treo though?

It means that stocks are going to skyrocket ... buy buy buy!

Who actually owns the Treo? Sprint, Palm, or a third party?
Palm... that reminds me... I should upgrade to the 650 already... (not the 700w).

 

cerebusPu

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i wanted to try the 700w but Im not sure about it. verizon nerfed the bluetooth on it so we cant use it as a data modem.

 

stash

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You can use it as a data modem with the USB cable that comes with it. Much easier on the battery anyway,
 

edro

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Man, that would probably increase NTP's profits 10 fold.

:thumbsup: to the guy that secured that patent for the company... he deserves a raise :)
 

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Originally posted by: edro
Man, that would probably increase NTP's profits 10 fold.

:thumbsup: to the guy that secured that patent for the company... he deserves a raise :)

you're not that guy are you? :p

also, does this mean BB will have to fork up $11B <-- yes that's a B, not M...

Where do companies store that kind of money anyways?

this reminds me of austin powers when dr. evil demanted $100B and everyone laughed :D
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Check P&N for a thread on this, the patent office is already dismissing the patents, the judge rushed it through before they were done.

news.com said it takes years for them to dismiss the patent. It's not legal for a company to continue operating/selling services if it is breaking a patent law. Doesn't matter if it will eventually be over turned.

That's like speeding through a construction zone because you know it'll be completed soon.
 

13Gigatons

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Sadly companies should not be allowed to steal someone else's technology and start a company and make millions based on it. They should either hand the company over to the persons that they stole it from or pay a huge amount of money to them for it.
 

ironcrotch

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Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
Sadly companies should not be allowed to steal someone else's technology and start a company and make millions based on it. They should either hand the company over to the persons that they stole it from or pay a huge amount of money to them for it.

you sir think we live in a perfect world.
 

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Watch for a settlement in the next few days.. I bet.

Absolutely. An actual injunction would kill Blackberry, and NTP's sole source of damages!

Blackberry obviously copied ALOT of patents and this is the result.
 

d33pt

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Originally posted by: edro
Man, that would probably increase NTP's profits 10 fold.

:thumbsup: to the guy that secured that patent for the company... he deserves a raise :)

he's dead.
 
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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: edro
Man, that would probably increase NTP's profits 10 fold.

:thumbsup: to the guy that secured that patent for the company... he deserves a raise :)

you're not that guy are you? :p

also, does this mean BB will have to fork up $11B <-- yes that's a B, not M...

Where do companies store that kind of money anyways?

this reminds me of austin powers when dr. evil demanted $100B and everyone laughed :D

You mean when Dr. Evil demanded $100M.

As for these patent holding companies, I wish they would just die off. If they don't use the patent, they should lose it because it isn't even like they are the ones coming up with the technology, a lot of them just buy patents from the people that do the development and then just sit on their hands, waiting to pounce on an unsuspecting company.
 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: Syringer
The ramifications of this is extremely drastic.

Though the Blackberry is relatively recent, and companies survived before and will survive after this BB era...The in between adjustment period for businesses and more importantly hospitals and what not willi be tough.

What will this mean for Sprint's Treo though?

WTF?
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: DigDug
Watch for a settlement in the next few days.. I bet.

Absolutely. An actual injunction would kill Blackberry, and NTP's sole source of damages!

Blackberry obviously copied ALOT of patents and this is the result.
You mean all the patents the USPTO has/intends to nullify? :roll: