Bwahahahahahaha i saw an 4WD Chevy(?) 'Avalanche' ute-thing here the other day

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
You realize that in the U.S. most people who own any type of SUV or truck 99% of the time just cart their own ass around in it right? C'mon, we as Americans just cannot own anything practical.

I call bullsh!t. I pwn a Dodge Dakota 4 door truck. I have a family of 5 that I can haul around fairly easily, plus even though the "tray" (snicker) is smaller than a regular bed pickup, it has been used to the point that the liner is scarred appropriately. Oh, it has a v8 in it as well... that has been used on multiple occasions to haul a tandem axle trailer for various things. All-in-all it has been a perfect vehicle for my situation. Before this vehicle I had a 4 seater coupe... loved the mileage, loved the car, but my needs just outgrew it.

I think it depends really on where you are in the US. I live in a rural area, so my needs are different than say somebody living in a metro area.

BTW, I now live on a gravel road, so my wife will probably be getting a SUV like the FJ Cruiser for her next vehicle. A full framed vehicle just lasts longer for that type of driving over the current unibody van she drives now.

Not all of the US is living outside of what is needed... that kind of blanket statement just isn't applicable given the diversity of America's roads.

So you paid $5K more for a something you could have done in a Crew Cab Titan? :golfclap:

No, because I bought it used for 10k. I don't buy new vehicles just to watch them lose about 5 or 10k as I drive off the lot. So, before being a smartas*, next time you might want to ask.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yeah, keep in mind we're comparing a V8 to a V6. The Ava's V8 is garbage, especially compared to something like the Navigator which would eat the Nissan V6 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

0-60 on the 2007 Avalanche is 8.5 seconds. 6.8 my ass. Proof.

Um, the GM 5.3L V8 is a fine engine. Plenty of power throughout the range and more fuel efficient than the V8's in most trucks. Users generally get 20MPG or above on the highway, something you don't see in most pickups.

Now I can't speak to your Nissan trucks, because of all the people I know who rely on a pickup truck as the main vehicle for their jobs & lives (thus, people who actually use it as it was intended) none of them own a Nissan. Not saying its a bad truck, but ya know...

yeap everone i know who uses a truck for a job or such use either a Ford or a Chevy. When i had my farm i used a Ford F250. had a few of them as a matter of fact. beat the tar out of them and never had a problem (well besides normal wear and tear that is).

i don't think i would buy a nissan or honda for farm work. though i wouldnt mind the new Honda for a regualar driver and minor truck use.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

I'm not talking about what engines the Avalanche has, I'm talking about GM Engines as a whole. You went from comparing the Avalanche to a Frontier, to comparing it to a Titan. So I think it's fair for me to compare the engines from those vehicles to the engines in similar GM vehicles. The point is you're just going to use the numbers you want to win you're argument. You know you're wrong so you're grasping at what ever you can to win this debate. So please do us all a favor and please stop trolling.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yeah, keep in mind we're comparing a V8 to a V6. The Ava's V8 is garbage, especially compared to something like the Navigator which would eat the Nissan V6 for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

0-60 on the 2007 Avalanche is 8.5 seconds. 6.8 my ass. Proof.

Um, the GM 5.3L V8 is a fine engine. Plenty of power throughout the range and more fuel efficient than the V8's in most trucks. Users generally get 20MPG or above on the highway, something you don't see in most pickups.

Now I can't speak to your Nissan trucks, because of all the people I know who rely on a pickup truck as the main vehicle for their jobs & lives (thus, people who actually use it as it was intended) none of them own a Nissan. Not saying its a bad truck, but ya know...

yeap everone i know who uses a truck for a job or such use either a Ford or a Chevy. When i had my farm i used a Ford F250. had a few of them as a matter of fact. beat the tar out of them and never had a problem (well besides normal wear and tear that is).

i don't think i would buy a nissan or honda for farm work. though i wouldnt mind the new Honda for a regualar driver and minor truck use.

Ford and Chevy rule the roost for work/farm trucks.

The imports components simply don't hold up. Heck get under any import truck then a GM/Ford, the domestic drivetrains and frames are always bigger and stronger built. I don't think I have ever seen somebody actually tow something with a Titan. It is always a GM or Ford product doing the real work.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Avalanche is a POS, and you wonder why GM is so screwed. The 4 door Tacoma and Frontier, and even the Ridgelines are much better options.

ridgeline is a much better option? are you smoking crack?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Btw, an Avalanche did pretty darn good in the Gumball Rally in 2003

True. It is based on the Silverado chassis afterall. For that money though, I'd get a king cab 4-door pickup truck though. Same interior space, easier hauling.

iirc, it's based on the suburban chassis, not the silverado chassis. and they're not the same chassis.

 

[fbrdphreak]

SP33Demon = stupid little fanboy troll

I'm done with him, let's just leave him be

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

I'm not talking about what engines the Avalanche has, I'm talking about GM Engines as a whole. You went from comparing the Avalanche to a Frontier, to comparing it to a Titan. So I think it's fair for me to compare the engines from those vehicles to the engines in similar GM vehicles. The point is you're just going to use the numbers you want to win you're argument. You know you're wrong so you're grasping at what ever you can to win this debate. So please do us all a favor and please stop trolling.

Stick with the debate: that there are much better options on the market than the POS called an Avalanche. This has nothing to do with GM vs Nissan, who the fck cares? The Titan vs Avalanche is a fair comparison based on engine, price range, and function. And the Titan destroys the Avalanche in all 3 categories. Don't change the subject to a GM vs Nissan just b/c you were wtfpwned. :thumbsdown:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Notice how I didn't put the Titan into this equation, it would have just made the Avalanche look even sillier. Seriously, it's not even about the weight of the vehicle, it's the fact that Chevy's V8 can't compensate on 0-60 speeds, even when chugging more gas. My Front goes 0-60 in 7.2, do you really think the Avalanche will be able to do that, aside from the gas mileage thing and weaker PAYLOAD?

that you even brought up 0-60 times shows that you have no clue what is good in a truck designed to haul things.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dug777
Wow this thread got heated :laugh:

Anyways, no one answered by question about what they use to stop dust & crap coming in and spoiling your beautiful leather seats when you activate the hilarious 'bed extender' function...it seems to me you could get far more use out of something like a Suburban for a family & towing, or a real ute with a proper bed for work...

you wouldn't put dirt in the back with the midgate down, obviously. put some lumber or whatnot back there, it won't be any worse than driving with the windows down.

iirc, you can fit a couple motorcycles back there with the midgate up just fine.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

I'm not talking about what engines the Avalanche has, I'm talking about GM Engines as a whole. You went from comparing the Avalanche to a Frontier, to comparing it to a Titan. So I think it's fair for me to compare the engines from those vehicles to the engines in similar GM vehicles. The point is you're just going to use the numbers you want to win you're argument. You know you're wrong so you're grasping at what ever you can to win this debate. So please do us all a favor and please stop trolling.

Stick with the debate: that there are much better options on the market than the POS called an Avalanche. This has nothing to do with GM vs Nissan, who the fck cares? The Titan vs Avalanche is a fair comparison based on engine, price range, and function. And the Titan destroys the Avalanche in all 3 categories. Don't change the subject to a GM vs Nissan just b/c you were wtfpwned. :thumbsdown:

WTF!!!!! you changed the subject dumba$$, you went from Frontier to Titan, because you knew the Frontier didn't hold a candle to the Titan. That being said why is the Silverado SS not a good comparison to the Titan, it's a full size truck is it not. In which case the Titan gets WTFPWNED by the Silverado and so have you.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Notice how I didn't put the Titan into this equation, it would have just made the Avalanche look even sillier. Seriously, it's not even about the weight of the vehicle, it's the fact that Chevy's V8 can't compensate on 0-60 speeds, even when chugging more gas. My Front goes 0-60 in 7.2, do you really think the Avalanche will be able to do that, aside from the gas mileage thing and weaker PAYLOAD?

that you even brought up 0-60 times shows that you have no clue what is good in a truck designed to haul things.

Another Avalanche fanboy? The truth hurts, eh? The Titan weighs 664 lbs less and can accelerate much faster off the line than the Avalanche. And if 0-60 times don't impress you, respond to my post about raw numbers comparing the other stats (towing/HP/payload/interior room/weight). I'm curious to what you have to say to those. If you can't see that the Titan is a much better buy than the Avalanche and destroys it in engine, price, and function then there's no hope for you fanboys.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

I'm not talking about what engines the Avalanche has, I'm talking about GM Engines as a whole. You went from comparing the Avalanche to a Frontier, to comparing it to a Titan. So I think it's fair for me to compare the engines from those vehicles to the engines in similar GM vehicles. The point is you're just going to use the numbers you want to win you're argument. You know you're wrong so you're grasping at what ever you can to win this debate. So please do us all a favor and please stop trolling.

Stick with the debate: that there are much better options on the market than the POS called an Avalanche. This has nothing to do with GM vs Nissan, who the fck cares? The Titan vs Avalanche is a fair comparison based on engine, price range, and function. And the Titan destroys the Avalanche in all 3 categories. Don't change the subject to a GM vs Nissan just b/c you were wtfpwned. :thumbsdown:

WTF!!!!! you changed the subject dumba$$, you went from Frontier to Titan, because you knew the Frontier didn't hold a candle to the Titan. That being said why is the Silverado SS not a good comparison to the Titan, it's a full size truck is it not. In which case the Titan gets WTFPWNED by the Silverado and so have you.

Hahahaha changing the subject from a Avalanche to a Silverado vs a Titan... Again, nobody cares, I'm seriously laughing at you b/c you refuse to talk about the Avalanche anymore, you've given up on it.

But I'll play your game and go offtopic too since you've given up the original debate: Of course there are heavy duty trucks that can tow more than the Titan. Nissan doesn't make heavy duty trucks, and if they did, I'm sure they would be better just as the Titan kills the POS Avalanche while competing in the same market. Duhhhhhh.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Notice how I didn't put the Titan into this equation, it would have just made the Avalanche look even sillier. Seriously, it's not even about the weight of the vehicle, it's the fact that Chevy's V8 can't compensate on 0-60 speeds, even when chugging more gas. My Front goes 0-60 in 7.2, do you really think the Avalanche will be able to do that, aside from the gas mileage thing and weaker PAYLOAD?

that you even brought up 0-60 times shows that you have no clue what is good in a truck designed to haul things.

Another Avalanche fanboy? The truth hurts, eh? The Titan weighs 664 lbs less and can accelerate much faster off the line than the Avalanche. And if 0-60 times don't impress you, respond to my post about raw numbers comparing the other stats (towing/HP/payload/interior room/weight). I'm curious to what you have to say to those. If you can't see that the Titan is a much better buy than the Avalanche and destroys it in engine, price, and function then there's no hope for you fanboys.

avalanche fanboy, hardly. i just call bullsh!t when i see it. you're comparing different vehicle segments. why don't you compare the crew cab nissan to the crew cab silverado, huh?

and hey, i just optioned out an avalanche with the vortec 6 liter on cars direct. what do you know, you can get it that way. i guess your hater ass will just have to find something else to pick at.



wtf the nissan's stock rear axle is 2.937? what a piece! don't they use the same dana as the jeep liberty?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Hahahaha changing the subject from a Avalanche to a Silverado vs a Titan... Again, nobody cares, I'm seriously laughing at you b/c you refuse to talk about the Avalanche anymore, you've given up on it.

But I'll play your game and go offtopic too since you've given up the original debate: Of course there are heavy duty trucks that can tow more than the Titan. Nissan doesn't make heavy duty trucks, and if they did, I'm sure they would be better just as the Titan kills the POS Avalanche while competing in the same market. Duhhhhhh.

Um, I'm talking about a full size Silverado SS with the 6.0L Vortec. IT IS NOT A HEAVY DUTY TRUCK. So I believe it is a very fair comparison to the Titan. Don't get mad cuz your mighty Titan get's it's a$$ handed to it in this area. Sorry.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Ktulu
You're a complete idiot, please stop posting. the 5.3L Vortec is a pullet proof engine not designed for 0-60 but for hauling. If you want to compare Nissan's truck V6's to Chevy's V8's then how bout we throw down the 6.0L Vortec, then Chevy win's in 0-60 and hauling and it's still eats up the Titan's engine. No matter how you slice it GM's got you covered when it comes to the best truck engines.

The Avalanche doesn't have the 6.0L Vortec so wtf are you talking about? Apples to apples, d!psht: Avalanche has a 5.3L, and the Titan has a 5.7L, as close as you're gonna get. The Titan pwns the Avalanche in every power category possible while getting roughly the same mileage, and has nearly identical interior space. Let's look at some stats between the two:

Towing: Titan - 9,400 lbs, Ava - 8,000 lbs
Torque: Titan - 379@3600RPMs, Ava - 335@4400 (notice that GM always releases higher RPM numbers when quoting stats)
HP - Titan - 305@4900, Ava - 310@5200
Curb weight - Titan - 5,199lbs, Ava - 5863lbs

Interior Space - Ava, Titan

Front Headroom 41.1 in., 41 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in., 40.4 in.
Front Shoulder Room 65.3 in., 65.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.2 in., 64.6 in.
Front Hip Room 64.4 in., 61.3 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.3 in., 60.5 in.
Front Leg Room 41.3 in., 41.8 in.
Rear Leg Room 39.1 in., 40.4 in.

Cost of the Avalanche: Roughly $5,000 more than Titan.

The Titan eats the Avalanche for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Even the Frontier, with the 4.0L V6, eats the Avalanche's 5.3L V8 in payload and only tows 1900 less. You were saying? Why don't you compare some of the Chevy 4.0L V6's to the Frontier now? Didn't think so.

I'm not talking about what engines the Avalanche has, I'm talking about GM Engines as a whole. You went from comparing the Avalanche to a Frontier, to comparing it to a Titan. So I think it's fair for me to compare the engines from those vehicles to the engines in similar GM vehicles. The point is you're just going to use the numbers you want to win you're argument. You know you're wrong so you're grasping at what ever you can to win this debate. So please do us all a favor and please stop trolling.

Stick with the debate: that there are much better options on the market than the POS called an Avalanche. This has nothing to do with GM vs Nissan, who the fck cares? The Titan vs Avalanche is a fair comparison based on engine, price range, and function. And the Titan destroys the Avalanche in all 3 categories. Don't change the subject to a GM vs Nissan just b/c you were wtfpwned. :thumbsdown:

WTF!!!!! you changed the subject dumba$$, you went from Frontier to Titan, because you knew the Frontier didn't hold a candle to the Titan. That being said why is the Silverado SS not a good comparison to the Titan, it's a full size truck is it not. In which case the Titan gets WTFPWNED by the Silverado and so have you.

Hahahaha changing the subject from a Avalanche to a Silverado vs a Titan... Again, nobody cares, I'm seriously laughing at you b/c you refuse to talk about the Avalanche anymore, you've given up on it.

But I'll play your game and go offtopic too since you've given up the original debate: Of course there are heavy duty trucks that can tow more than the Titan. Nissan doesn't make heavy duty trucks, and if they did, I'm sure they would be better just as the Titan kills the POS Avalanche while competing in the same market. Duhhhhhh.

okay.

i might seem to suck GM's dick, but you would take Nissans dick, crab encrusted, herpes pussing, right into your mouth and suck it till it went on your face....

having OWNED an avalanche let me go into some details.


The avalanche is not a full size truck, it is not based on the silverado.

It is the suburban, with the rear end chopped off and turned into a bed.
the mid-gate isnt THAT much of a pain to use, and when down, you can put a fullsize piece of plywood in the back.
Also, the dust arguement that is being brought up. Those side angled/hole pieces that are from teh bed to the cab, they create a wind effect that keeps any and all sorts of breeze away from teh back, we had driven about 400 miles in the avalanch with the rear window out, and it raining. nothing got wet.

as for Frontier vs Avalanche... this is like comparing a grapefruit to a peach... they are made for completely different things. the avalanche is ment to hold a full family, and then throw crap into the back when you dont want to put it inside a suburban.

there ARE wet storage spots on the avalanche, the side pockets can fit ice, or shoes, and beer, or whatever, they have drains, and what not, one on each side, good for storing beer.

the bed is fully covered, unlike a Front/Titan/Silv/F150 unless you buy additional parts for the aformentioned vehicles.

the engine, you cant beat GM's V8's in fuel efficiency, and power. they lead the industry in full size vehicle efficiency...

Sure, the Titan can tow more, but its not the best for interior space.

The Avalanche is to fullsize trucks, what a ridgeline is to any truck.

it is an alternative vehicle that is designed for a DIFFERENT use.

GM is NOT trying to sell them like hotcakes, i think they only sold about 13000 last year, and this year, the 07 looks downright amazing (some say best looking truck)

In Conclusion: SP33Demon = Nismo fanboi who wouldnt know what the inside of an avalance is to sit in, as he has never been in one, or owned one.
the vehicles are made for DIFFERENT USES.

and yes, we towed my Saab 9-5, on a 4000lb trailer, for 4 hours, highway, and my dad averaged 14 mpg...

not to mention when he traded it in for the Tahoe, he had 110k miles and was still on the original brakes/rotors.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: dug777
What a monstrosity :laugh:

Anyways, what do you do with them over there? The tray's too short to be much use, so i guess towing is the only practical use for something that big...well, that & looking mindblowingly silly :laugh:

Personally, I just laugh and shake my head that anyone was stupid enough to buy that ugly beast. :laugh:

I'm with you 100% on this! :thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Tom
Avalanche can be configured so the "tray", ie bed, is long enough to carry longer items than what you think. That's the whole point of the Avalanche.

And newer models have a lot less plastic cladding and look a lot better.

It's about 5.5ft with the backend up and 8ft with it down.

So is any crew cab pickup with the short bed and they look 1000 times better.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

So is any crew cab pickup with the short bed and they look 1000 times better.

without the plastic cladding it looks like any other crew cab, and most people get them without the plastic cladding (which gm put on there because they figured people would go offroading and the plastic would protect the metal from rock damage)

i'm not even sure that the new one has the plastic cladding.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

having OWNED an avalanche let me go into some details.

The avalanche is not a full size truck, it is not based on the silverado.

It is the suburban, with the rear end chopped off and turned into a bed.[/quote]

Am I missing something? Isn't the Suburban built on the Chevy fullsize truck platform?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
having OWNED an avalanche let me go into some details.

The avalanche is not a full size truck, it is not based on the silverado.

It is the suburban, with the rear end chopped off and turned into a bed.

Am I missing something? Isn't the Suburban built on the Chevy fullsize truck platform?

no.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

So is any crew cab pickup with the short bed and they look 1000 times better.

without the plastic cladding it looks like any other crew cab, and most people get them without the plastic cladding (which gm put on there because they figured people would go offroading and the plastic would protect the metal from rock damage)

i'm not even sure that the new one has the plastic cladding.

I know, I've seen them around. I think they do look better without the plastic but I'd still never own one. I'd rather have a fullsize crewcab truck personally. Who cares if you can fit it in your garage? It's a truck!

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
having OWNED an avalanche let me go into some details.

The avalanche is not a full size truck, it is not based on the silverado.

It is the suburban, with the rear end chopped off and turned into a bed.

Am I missing something? Isn't the Suburban built on the Chevy fullsize truck platform?

no.

its based on it, but there is some hardware differences to handle the different weight.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
having OWNED an avalanche let me go into some details.

The avalanche is not a full size truck, it is not based on the silverado.

It is the suburban, with the rear end chopped off and turned into a bed.

Am I missing something? Isn't the Suburban built on the Chevy fullsize truck platform?

no.

Hmm, I thought it was...did it used to be?