Buying a Maximus v Formula. Couple of questions

dfanatic86

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First I want to thank everyone on this forum, even tho I haven't posted much I've learned a lot thru reading. I purchased an asus maximus v formula and will be using my i5 2500k sandy bridge. I read somewhere that an ivy bridge would be better for a h77 chipset. Is that true on not? Just want some clarification on that. Also with the 2500k is 1600mhz the sweet spot for ram? Im guessing the MB can handle up to 2400mhz but the CPU is 1600mhz. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks!
 

cmdrdredd

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The Z77 supports both Sb and IB CPUs equally well. The benefit of Ivy is the PCIe 3.0 controller, slightly better performance per clock, and a little bit better iGPU. As for memory you don't need any fancy 2400Mhz memory. You can actually overclock a lot of memory that is rated at 1600Mhz like the Samsung 30nm kits. Thing is, the real world performance difference is essentially zero so it's not worth spending more for the higher Mhz.
 

cmdrdredd

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If you are overclocking, having all 4 banks filled is harder on the memory controller. That said if you need 32GB then go for it.

As for that particular kit, the heat spreaders are tall and can interfere (i.e prevent install) of some aftermarket cooling like Noctua NH-D14 or the Thermalright Silver Arrow. You'd have to refer to their documents to see whether that memory fits or not with whatever cooling you use. If you use water or something like the Corsair H100 you will have no problem though. High end air coolers are quite large though and may not fit. That is one reason I went with Samsung ultra low profile memory. Unfortunately they don't make a desktop version in 8GB sticks that I have seen.

I don't know what usage you have in mind (photoshop? video editing?) that 32GB of memory seems necessary. For gaming and general usage 8GB is more than plenty.
 
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dfanatic86

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I have a cm 212 right now and I have no interference with them. Although i do plan on upgrading to a CM v8 cpu cooler. not only for performance but aesthetic purposes too. With that said I will go with a 2x8 configuration. I do a lot of gaming, some photo/video editing. Thanks for the useful info man, I really appreciate it.
 

cmdrdredd

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No problem, I'm sure CoolerMaster has some documentation of a FAQ (maybe their forum?) that would help you decide what memory may not fit.
 

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If you are overclocking, having all 4 banks filled is harder on the memory controller. That said if you need 32GB then go for it.

As for that particular kit, the heat spreaders are tall and can interfere (i.e prevent install) of some aftermarket cooling like Noctua NH-D14 or the Thermalright Silver Arrow. You'd have to refer to their documents to see whether that memory fits or not with whatever cooling you use. If you use water or something like the Corsair H100 you will have no problem though. High end air coolers are quite large though and may not fit. That is one reason I went with Samsung ultra low profile memory. Unfortunately they don't make a desktop version in 8GB sticks that I have seen.

I don't know what usage you have in mind (photoshop? video editing?) that 32GB of memory seems necessary. For gaming and general usage 8GB is more than plenty.

On Z77 motherboards Asus has added the T-memory system, that reduces this issue. Using equal length traces to each memory slot, they have made the synchronization issue less prevalent.
 

cmdrdredd

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On Z77 motherboards Asus has added the T-memory system, that reduces this issue. Using equal length traces to each memory slot, they have made the synchronization issue less prevalent.

Remember the memory controller is in the CPU. What effect this can have on overclocks and getting stable with voltage I do not know.
 

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Remember the memory controller is in the CPU. What effect this can have on overclocks and getting stable with voltage I do not know.

The problem isn't in the controller it is in the memory synchronization. It has to do with the reads and writes to the different dimms getting done in the right order, at least that is my understanding of it. I am not and electrical engineer. On Asus's ROG forums, the Asus people have said they have gotten significantly better memory overclocks with the change. It was something Intel had a white paper about a while back, but they didn't expect anyone to use it in the Ivy Bridge generation of motherboards. It was mentioned in an interview Anadtech did with a member of Asus's motherboard team before the launch of Ivy Bridge.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Remember the memory controller is in the CPU. What effect this can have on overclocks and getting stable with voltage I do not know.

All that I can say about this comes from personal experience, tutored by our colleague IDontCare.

I had a choice of spending between $90 and $160 on a 2x8GB 16GB kit, or adding a second 2x4GB kit of the same RAM as originally used. I actually think I bought the second kit after an exchange with IDontCare in late 2011, hearing that he'd overclocked the same model G.SKILLs from 1600 to 1866 with all four slots filled. It can be done for those "GBRL" kits without increasing the voltage much beyond the stock 1.5V, with only a slight bump in the VCCIO voltage (from about 0.80V to 1.1V). We even set the CMD rate to 1.

I wouldn't know how that strains the memory controller; nothing is being overvolted. But I couldn't say.

I'd probably prefer a 2x8GB kit of G.SKILLs, but this solution is working fine for me right now.

Even so, if someone were going to buy the essential, first purchase of memory for a new Z77 board and for whichever processor (sandy v ivy), I'd say get the 2x8GB kit.

With 16GB, I've had memory usage climb to about 50% after continuous operation for days and a few TV recordings. I think there's still a memory leak in Media Center, or it doesn't release the RAM after a recording. But closing MC seems to clear the memory, and it drops back to maybe 25%.

Point being -- 16GB is plenty unless one is using virtual machines or doing certain kinds of RAM intensive work. And for doing the "right thing" when first building the system, you want to test that RAM -- maybe with HCI Memtest. It took me three days to complete the 1000% coverage in HCI Memtest for "thorough testing." It should probably take twice that long for 32GB.

So if you want it, you would have to have a solid reason for wanting it, or you would have to "need" it. I'd just say these are some factors you need to consider per the 16 versus 32GB question . . .
 
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@ red454 i just received the MB today and wont be installing it just yet. Im still waiting on some other things to come in. Now after reading the manual and what cmdrdredd told me. PCIe 3.0 is ivy and using a SB it will revert back to 2.0. It is also telling me that Ivy will support x8/x8 in a xf setup. Will SB bridge also accomplish this?
 

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@ red454 i just received the MB today and wont be installing it just yet. Im still waiting on some other things to come in. Now after reading the manual and what cmdrdredd told me. PCIe 3.0 is ivy and using a SB it will revert back to 2.0. It is also telling me that Ivy will support x8/x8 in a xf setup. Will SB bridge also accomplish this?

I believe that is correct. Not 100% sure.

Here is a nice review (24 pages) of the Formula board...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_maximus_v_formula_review.html
 

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Man now i wanna change to ivy. lol

(you still can)

I have been going back and forth between the X79 Rampage IV Formula and the Z77 Maximus V Formula. I think the Z77 makes the most sense for me. Probably wait until the Black Friday sales and see what deals are out there. I need a new SSD and some more memory.

Planning on giving my son my current 2600K and Gene-Z motherboard. Which leaves me open for an upgrade, although most will say it is more of a side grade. Can't wait to see you get yours fired up.
 
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dfanatic86

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Neither can I, but preparation goes a long way in my book. Lucky boy you got there! x79 is a beast, a little outta my price range for now. I kinda see myself upgrading a lot in the near future. My wife always tells me I have expensive hobbies. she totally right!
 

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Neither can I, but preparation goes a long way in my book. Lucky boy you got there! x79 is a beast, a little outta my price range for now. I kinda see myself upgrading a lot in the near future. My wife always tells me I have expensive hobbies. she totally right!

Well, what prompted all this is that my wife's computer is dying, so for Christmas we will take my son's motherboard and processor (i7-860) and give them to her, then my "old" stuff goes to the boy, then I get the new toys. So it is a win-win-win and stuff is recycled and given a new life. I know about the hobbies - computers, aquariums, model railroads, and old cars.

I am tempted on the X79 - all that power... But the Z77 seems to be more refined, yet still rather potent for all but hardcore video editing, data crunching, etc.
 

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Why now get such a old chipset.

Grab a X79 or ASUS P9 board and a Ivy 3570k and 16GB 2 sticks.

Why you going ROG ? Are you going to do Triple SLI or Triple Xfire if not, that board is just a name and fancy heat spreaders to make it look sexy.

You can do SLI or Xfire with a regular non ROG motherboard.

Get the ASUS P9 with a Ivy 3550k 32GB 4 stix and youll be set til the dawn of the new century and beyond LOL, :whiste:
 

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Why now get such a old chipset.

Grab a X79 or ASUS P9 board and a Ivy 3570k and 16GB 2 sticks.

Why you going ROG ? Are you going to do Triple SLI or Triple Xfire if not, that board is just a name and fancy heat spreaders to make it look sexy.

You can do SLI or Xfire with a regular non ROG motherboard.

Get the ASUS P9 with a Ivy 3550k 32GB 4 stix and youll be set til the dawn of the new century and beyond LOL, :whiste:

not everyone wants, needs, or is willing to pay the entry price for an x79 board, a 3550 or 3570 will not work in a x79 board since it is a socket 2011 and the 3550 or 3570 are socket 1155 chips.

I know this is an older post but why does tweakboy always give such lousy advice?
 

cmdrdredd

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not everyone wants, needs, or is willing to pay the entry price for an x79 board, a 3550 or 3570 will not work in a x79 board since it is a socket 2011 and the 3550 or 3570 are socket 1155 chips.

I know this is an older post but why does tweakboy always give such lousy advice?

Cause he is the local joke and the admins don't care since he never curses people out or anything like that. No broken rules so...