Buying a GPU - Need assistance !!!

[GothAmKing]

I want an upgrade this summer from my pocket money.So please suggest me a good GPU
My current specs are-
1.Processor - Pentium Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
2.Existing GPU - Nope.only the inbuilt G31/33 chipset of 128 MB.
3.Screen res - 1154x864.
4.PSU - Need to get a new one depending on mobo and GPU.
5.Tower - Frontech Snowy(1 rear fan mount only,full ATX,400x180x413 mm).
6.Price - within USD 200.
7.No SLI/CrossFireX.
8.No brand preferrences,whichever suites my budget.
9.I was opting for a HD 7770 or a GTX 560 (if it becomes that cheap !).Also Kepler cards can be an option.
10.Playing FPS and Racing mostly at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 res. at medium or high detail.
11.If performance in gameplay is improved by OCing,then yes.
12.mobo is yet to be decided cuz I'll upgrade that too.but it's gonna be a LGA 775 for sure since I'm not going to upgrade my CPU.

thanx a bunch in advance

 

[Jaydip]

Check this and this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130749

 

[DigDog]

either one of those can be bought for next to nothing on eBay

 

[Arzachel]

That GTX460 is a cut down 192bit mem bus version and I would advise heavily against it even with those clocks and the 6850 often dips under 130$. Look for 256bit GTX 460's and HD 6850's and get which one is cheaper.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Why would you upgrade the motherboard and stay with a LGA775/pentium dual-core?

The 7770 and GTX 560 are way overpowered for an E5200. I'm running a very similar processor (X2 5200+) and my 9600GT pairs nicely with it -- I'm CPU limited in most games that I can play. The GTX 560 and 7770 are like 2.5x the power of a 9600GT so they're going to be sitting there twiddling their thumbs even if you crank AA to max, while your gameplay won't be all that great due to CPU limitations.

Instead of going for an imbalanced system, I'd suggest to go with a 6770 and save up a little more money to go to a Pentium G850 or i3.

That GTX460 is a cut down 192bit mem bus version

You don't know what you're talking about.
It's a GTX 460 V2. GTX 560 core with a higher clocked GTX 560 SE memory bus, for less than the GTX 560 SE.

 

[Arzachel]

You don't know what you're talking about.
It's a GTX 460 V2. GTX 560 core with a higher clocked GTX 560 SE memory bus, for less than the GTX 560 SE.

A while ago Nvidia started to phase out the old GTX 460s and instead introduced GTX460s indeed using the same memory config as the 550ti and the 560SE, that's 1GB of VRAM running on a 192bit bus. You can read the review of the 550ti on this very site to find out why it's a less then stellar config. What's more, the GTX560SE is even worse than the new GTX460s because it has less shader cores (288 vs 336) while having the same crippled bus and ROPs. While this particular model that Jaydip linked is clocked quite high I still doubt that it can match a stock 256bit GTX460, what with an asymetric memory config and a quarter of its bus and ROPs disabled, and a HD6850 is even faster than that.

So that is why I would advise getting either a 256bit GTX460 or a HD6850.

 

[Jaydip]

A while ago Nvidia started to phase out the old GTX 460s and instead introduced GTX460s indeed using the same memory config as the 550ti and the 560SE, that's 1GB of VRAM running on a 192bit bus. You can read the review of the 550ti on this very site to find out why it's a less then stellar config. What's more, the GTX560SE is even worse than the new GTX460s because it has less shader cores (288 vs 336) while having the same crippled bus and ROPs. While this particular model that Jaydip linked is clocked quite high I still doubt that it can match a stock 256bit GTX460, what with an asymetric memory config and a quarter of its bus and ROPs disabled, and a HD6850 is even faster than that.

So that is why I would advise getting either a 256bit GTX460 or a HD6850.

Actually after considering the res "1024x768 or 1280x1024 " i didn't think the 460 would be much of a constraint.

 

[GothAmKing]

Why would you upgrade the motherboard and stay with a LGA775/pentium dual-core?

The 7770 and GTX 560 are way overpowered for an E5200. I'm running a very similar processor (X2 5200+) and my 9600GT pairs nicely with it -- I'm CPU limited in most games that I can play. The GTX 560 and 7770 are like 2.5x the power of a 9600GT so they're going to be sitting there twiddling their thumbs even if you crank AA to max, while your gameplay won't be all that great due to CPU limitations.

Instead of going for an imbalanced system, I'd suggest to go with a 6770 and save up a little more money to go to a Pentium G850 or i3.

Will I xperience lag in games with my current CPU ??
Also I want 7770 so as to keep myself latest from the GPU part atleast as I don't swap out parts on a regular basis.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Anything more than 4850 or gts 250 is a waste. Also need 4gb ram

 

[Jaydip]

Why would you upgrade the motherboard and stay with a LGA775/pentium dual-core?

The 7770 and GTX 560 are way overpowered for an E5200. I'm running a very similar processor (X2 5200+) and my 9600GT pairs nicely with it -- I'm CPU limited in most games that I can play. The GTX 560 and 7770 are like 2.5x the power of a 9600GT so they're going to be sitting there twiddling their thumbs even if you crank AA to max, while your gameplay won't be all that great due to CPU limitations.

Instead of going for an imbalanced system, I'd suggest to go with a 6770 and save up a little more money to go to a Pentium G850 or i3.

Will I xperience lag in games with my current CPU ??
Also I want 7770 so as to keep myself latest from the GPU part atleast as I don't swap out parts on a regular basis.

U quoted the whole block :biggrin:

Yeah ur cpu is definitely a bottleneck.Do u plan to upgrade ur cpu in the future?

 

[Denithor]

What games do you like to play?
What model PSU do you have?

You're going to likely need to upgrade to at least an i3 2120 along with your GPU to get smooth gaming. And if you're already considering changing motherboard, there's basically zero reason not to go ahead and upgrade the whole thing.

 

[GothAmKing]

What games do you like to play?
What model PSU do you have?

You're going to likely need to upgrade to at least an i3 2120 along with your GPU to get smooth gaming. And if you're already considering changing motherboard, there's basically zero reason not to go ahead and upgrade the whole thing.

Mine is a bad cheapo Frontech 450 watts PSU (maybe 30+ certified).I mentioned before that I play FPS and Racing ones.Rarely enough i try FIFA or PES.No Strategy based games too.Also I would like to mention that I don't play any sort of multiplayer,I'm happy on my own.

 

[Jaydip]

Mine is a bad cheapo Frontech 450 watts PSU (maybe 30+ certified).I mentioned before that I play FPS and Racing ones.Rarely enough i try FIFA or PES.No Strategy based games too.Also I would like to mention that I don't play any sort of multiplayer,I'm happy on my own.

Don't bother to stress that PSU.Buy a quality but affordable psu from corsair,antec,seasonic etc.

 

[toyota]

Check this and this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130749

those would be a little silly though for 1152x864 especially with a very old 2.5 Core 2 duo.

for that low res and with that cpu a 60-70 buck 6670 would be more suitable. and that should also work with that psu unless its worse than a I think it is.

 

[Jaydip]

those would be a little silly though for 1152x864 especially with a very old 2.5 Core 2 duo.

for that low res and with that cpu a 60-70 buck 6670 would be more suitable. and that should also work with that psu unless its worse than a I think it is.

Yeah i agree.But i hope he will upgrade his cpu/psu later.

 

[GothAmKing]

Don't bother to stress that PSU.Buy a quality but affordable psu from corsair,antec,seasonic etc.

Yeah,i'll get that Antec Earthwatts EA650-D green.

 

[GothAmKing]

those would be a little silly though for 1152x864 especially with a very old 2.5 Core 2 duo.

for that low res and with that cpu a 60-70 buck 6670 would be more suitable. and that should also work with that psu unless its worse than a I think it is.

Is My Pentium Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz CPU that bad ?? esp. when I play at much less res than the famous 1080p.

i heard that CPU bears a important part in low res gaming esp. in BF3 . Is it true?? if yes then how? I mean I don't have all settings cranked up high so why will my CPU do so much of work??

thanx toyota for viewing my thread again.Not to mention I thank all others too for their suggestions.

 

[Jaydip]

Lower the res and the stress will shift to CPU.So ur CPU will definitely be a bottleneck.

 

[toyota]

Is My Pentium Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz CPU that bad ?? esp. when I play at much less res than the famous 1080p.

i heard that CPU bears a important part in low res gaming esp. in BF3 . Is it true?? if yes then how? I mean I don't have all settings cranked up high so why will my CPU do so much of work??

thanx toyota for viewing my thread again.Not to mention I thank all others too for their suggestions.

nearly every game will be playable with that cpu but many will be quite a bit sluggish especially on higher game settings. that cpu is not enough to get the most out of even a modern mid range card which means a lot of the cards performance will never be attained with a cpu like that.

a lower res will reduce the load on the gpu. if your cpu is the bottleneck then your performance will remain the same at a lower res as it would at the higher res. and low res or high res will never make any difference if the cpu is just too slow in general for a game though. in other words low framerates at 1920x1080 are no better than low framerates at 1024x768.

 

[Arzachel]

those would be a little silly though for 1152x864 especially with a very old 2.5 Core 2 duo.

for that low res and with that cpu a 60-70 buck 6670 would be more suitable. and that should also work with that psu unless its worse than a I think it is.

In most of the more demanding games framerates dip even with a HD6770 @1280x1024 on my brother's pc. A 6670 will probably under perform if he decides to play Crysis 2 or BF3 etc. even with the low resolution.

 

[toyota]

In most of the more demanding games framerates dip even with a HD6770 @1280x1024 on my brother's pc. A 6670 will probably under perform if he decides to play Crysis 2 or BF3 etc. even with the low resolution.

I don't believe that unless he is trying to run every single setting maxed. a 6770 is just a wee bit slower than a gtx260. I had my gtx260 up until 8 months ago and played every single game out there at 1920x1080. all but a handful were played at high or even very high settings. at just 1280x1024 I could max nearly any game out there except for Metro 2033 and few others where most people have to turn down a setting or two anyway. a 6670 with a Pentium E5200 would make a decent match for the 1152x864 res he wants to play at. now there would be nothing wrong with a 7750 for him either though. thats a really low power card that nearly matches the 6770 and would help in gpu heavy games.

 

[Arzachel]

I don't believe that unless he is trying to run every single setting maxed. a 6770 is just a wee bit slower than a gtx260. I had my gtx260 up until 8 months ago and played every single game out there at 1920x1080. all but a handful were played at high or even very high settings. at just 1280x1024 I could max nearly any game out there except for Metro 2033 and few others where most people have to turn down a setting or two anyway. a 6670 with a Pentium E5200 would make a decent match for the 1152x864 res he wants to play at. now there would be nothing wrong with a 7750 for him either though. thats a really low power card that nearly matches the 6770 and would help in gpu heavy games.

Yeah, that's true, but I think that stepping up to 6850 could be worth it for the more demanding games, especially when they get as low as 120$. I guess it's up to the op, can't go wrong with any of them I guess.

 

[Upgrade_Itch]

Grab a 7970 OC Edition. Upgrade cpu/mobo next month.

 

[toyota]

Yeah, that's true, but I think that stepping up to 6850 could be worth it for the more demanding games, especially when they get as low as 120$. I guess it's up to the op, can't go wrong with any of them I guess.

I dont think he would ever see the difference between a 6850 and 7750 at 1152x864 with an older 2.5 Pentium dual core. the 7750 will already be really held back in nearly every game out there under those conditions. plus the 6850 uses over twice the power of the 7750 and he has a sketchy power supply.

 

[toyota]

Grab a 7970 OC Edition. Upgrade cpu/mobo next month.

sarcasm I hope...