Buying a boat?

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DrPizza

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EDIT for DR Pizza. I'd love to have a volvo penta setup. The only drawback (to me), is that while I consider the quality of the volvo better than that of mercruiser, there are 10x more mercruiser dealerships and parts available than volvo and, as you stated, parts seem more expensive. Everyone knows someone with an old mercruiser motor lying around or has access to parts for one it seems.

Damn, don't you wish Dodge or GM made boat engines, all parts available at neighborhood Autozone... :D

Desi, you have no idea. And slag is right - it seems that most of the marinas dealt with Mercruiser, rather than volvo penta. And, e.g., the water pump, even the dealers don't have many of the parts in stock. I called every dealer within 5 hours of me before I found one who stocked the part. I had a moment of hope when I talked to one guy on the phone who said, "your mechanic (I had everything serviced - oil change, lower unit, fuel filter, etc., since I don't have a pump to suck out the oil, and you can't exactly jack up a boat to get under the motor) said that you had to replace the entire pump? He's full of it. It's just a $20 seal." 15 minutes later on the phone, "son of a bitch. Your mechanic is telling the truth. That's the only pump I've seen like that; if water is leaking out the weep hole, you have to replace the whole pump. That's just crazy."


To me, it's all worth it. And, like slag said, I can do a lot of my own work. If you think shop rates are high for car service, you haven't been to a marina. *Maybe* this weekend, I'll consider trying to figure out how to replace the live well pump. It involves at least an hour's labor, just to get to 2 screws, 2 wires, and whatever type of mounting bracket is there. But, I'd like to limit out on panfish and put some fish in the freezer.
 

ultimatebob

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Since in Toronto:

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Yeah, I think I'm going to tell her to leave me out of it.

Yeah, but those are Canadian dollars, which aren't worth quite as much. So, it's not so bad.
 

monkeydelmagico

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All these motorboat problems go away if you buy a sailboat. Sailboats are nearly cost-free and can actually make you money if you capture all that wind power. :awe:
 

96Firebird

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My roommate has had plenty of boats, and no real problems with any of them... Right now he has a 19' Ranger with a Yamaha 150 Vmax HDPI, and a '93 26' Thompson with a carbed 350. The only problem we had was a couple weekends ago with the Thompson. The choke spring broke, so the motor kept flooding. We had to spray solvent in the carb to get it started, then it ran fine after that. Quick fix on land and it was good for the next weekend.

We take both boats out quite a bit, usually a couple times during the week to fish, and once or twice on the weekends for hanging out. As long as you keep everything in good shape, they are really no different from an automobile. But because most boats sit for long periods of time without use, they develop problems.
 

Markbnj

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All these motorboat problems go away if you buy a sailboat. Sailboats are nearly cost-free and can actually make you money if you capture all that wind power. :awe:

Ha, well, no. Sailboats are far from cost free. Maybe a little sunfish or lightning gets close to cost free, but anything you can cruise aboard is not. Rigging wears out, sails wear out, lines chafe and wear out, zincs need to be replaced, bottom paint needs to be renewed at least bi-yearly, and when you do there's always the chance some osmosis will be discovered and then you have a hull repair. And let's bear in mind that almost all sailboats have engines, bilge pumps, a generator, possibly a propane water heater, etc. You won't spend as much money feeding it fossil fuel as on some 10 gph sport fisherman, but a sport fisherman doesn't have 25k worth of rigging hanging out in the sun either.
 

Eug

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Thanks all. I told her today I'm not interested. I just didn't see myself using it much, esp. since we have a toddler and also a baby coming in a few months. This means I'd just be subsidizing my sister's boat for little usage. Plus we live in Toronto, which has a pretty short season to begin with, as someone pointed out to me. Maybe in 5 years I'll rethink my choice, but not now.

BTW, apparently the boat has got a lot of amenities. Two beds and full kitchen with stove, fridge, and microwave...

...which got me thinking it would be in a small way like RVing... which I also have little interest in. I'm not a camper, nor do I want to go for long cross country drives, staying in the RV. Similarly, while I'd enjoy going to an island for a picnic and for some swimming, I'm not too keen on overnighting on the boat, esp. on a hot day.

Maybe I'm a wuss, but for example even though I used to be really into mountain biking and what not, at night I liked to return to my air conditioned home, or if on vacation, a 3-5 star hotel. :p

$4000 a year (not even counting the up front cost) will buy us a lot of nice hotel rooms, or a week or two at a cottage.
 

MichaelD

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$4000 a year (not even counting the up front cost) will buy us a lot of nice hotel rooms, or a week or two at a cottage.

This sums it up nicely. This time next year we'll be in a position to acquire a sub-$10K water toy. We live 30 mins from a large freshwater lake and 2.5 hours from the Gulf. We don't have the storage room for even a "small 20 foot boat" nor do I want to pay slip fees or storage docking fees or whatever they're called. But we do have room in the garage for a 2 or 3 passenger jetski and it's trailer.

I've been on powerboats (as addicting as the GXR1000 I sold so I wouldn't die) as well as cabin cruisers, etc. REALLY NICE STUFF...if you can afford it. And by afford it, see all the "money burning jpegs" in this thread. That is not me. If I have $1K/mo "extra money" it's going into the truck or house payment.

Interesting thread. Good luck, OP.
 

96Firebird

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What kind of person owns two boats and then shares a room? o_O

He owns a house, but rents out both sides. Makes money on that, but obviously can't have another mortgage so soon after buying that house.

In fact we went out on his bass boat last night for some fishing. Caught a couple largemouth, and some small rock bass. Its nice living 5 minutes from the launch. My roommate heads out right after work, I meet him at the launch after I get home from the gym and walk my dog. Fish until it gets dark...

Maybe it is different if you fish for a hobby. He is going to a tourney on Sunday, and pre-fishing it Saturday.
 

halik

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I have a boat, 18.5 foot Glastron ski/fish combo, 190HP Volvo Penta I/O. At the place we stay, definitely smaller lake than Lake Ontario (though, just a few miles from the 1000 Islands), it's one of the nicer boats. And, from a conversation over a few beers, it seems some people sort of envy the nicer fiberglass boats, instead of their lighter, more barebones aluminum boats with outboard motors on them (same length of boat). As we discussed, we compared the gas costs - I spend nearly 3 times as much on gas for the same amount of riding around. We discussed maintenance - ditto, much more for me. We discussed the upfront cost - ditto again. I don't regret having my boat at all, and am glad I can afford to actually use it. It's a piece of cake to burn through a 30 gallon tank of gas in a day (or more) - and most of the time, if you're on the water, your choice is non-ethanol gasoline, about $1 per gallon than at a regular gas station. And, that's the perfect price point - to save $30 on a fill-up, are you going to drive to a boat launch, wait in line, pull the boat, drive to a gas station, back to the boat launch, launch the boat (2nd person required to drive vehicle)? Or, are you going to drive to a gas station and bring back a load of 5 gallon gas cans? Nope.

Last two weeks: promised my son he could have the boat for a week, and especially didn't want him to miss the first couple of days, since he was taking a Marine friend who was home briefly from Afghanistan, out fishing. So, I overnighted a $300+ part to get the boat on the water. Wrong model. So, I drove a little over 5 hours to the only Marina in NY (apparently) that had the water pump in stock; payed an extra $100 over the online price. Had to replace the bilge pump a day later; it was old and the motor went. Cheap - $25 - but a major pita to put in, unless you're anorexic and a contortionist. When I replaced the water pump, I wished I had told them I wanted the belts too; the store was open, but the parts department was in a different building and closed the day I picked up the water pump. Two or three times, the belts started squealing; I tightened them up. On the way to the dock in the middle of the week, they started squealing again; nothing I could do in the middle of the lake; 1 mile to go. Didn't make it. One of the belts self-destructed. Had to be towed in to the dock. No local dealer to get the v-belts. None of the marinas with parts had the right size - they serviced other brands; not my brand. So, a 30 minute (each way) trip to an auto-parts store. They couldn't look up the size either. So, we tried to match as closely as possible; it took three half-hour trips (each way) before I had a pair of belts that would work; missed half a day of boating/fishing as a result. 2nd week: needed to replace the sending unit for the gas gauge; the old one was reporting "full" the entire time. Again, no local dealer, but at one of the marinas, "they're fairly universal" - the 5 mounting holes matched up perfectly, though the unit was about 3/4 of an inch shorter. No problem - when it says "empty," that means I still have another 3/4 of an inch of gasoline in there, right? Great! No one will every allow it to get close and run out of gas. Well, (duh), it works on resistance. Apparently, the resistance when the new one was empty = the resistance my old unit had when it was 1/4 tank. That is, 1 mile from the dock (coincidentally, about 100 yards from where the v-belt broke), I ran out of gas, with a gauge that said 1/4 tank.

So, that's 2 weeks of boating. We could pull water tubers, skiers, etc., we could outrun most boats on the lake. Livewell (pump doesn't work; and nearly impossible to replace since it's behind the engine; so I have a secondary pump that requires me to put a hose over the side of the boat & can only be used when stationary) for all the fish we kept (all were released though), built in tackle-boxes (that I've never used in the past 8 years), trolling motor that I never use, etc. I can't wait until this weekend to get back to the boat. :) HOPEFULLY, I can go a couple of days without needing to work on something in the boat, but it looks like a slight ding to the prop when some large waves nailed us when we were anchored in fairly shallow water (bounced the boat) might mean I need to replace the prop (and have this one remachined for only about $100).

Literally the very reason we decided to get that same boat with an outboard. Any work on I/O is a huge pain in the ass and likely have to have someone else do it. Outboard I can swap in my garage.
 

Scarpozzi

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I'm not going to be a naysayer. I've had great luck and fun owning boats and the costs are similar to car ownership. The only problem is that when you own a boat and don't have the opportunity to use it, the cost goes up....very quickly. Not only are you getting less benefit out of the boat, but you're basically paying up front for something that will start to dry rot and require maintenance that most people pay for.

Another option is considering boat rentals for when you want it....think big picture and know that if you do this, you'll always have maintained equipment without having to worry about the boat cost + slip rental, etc... It's cheaper to rent unless you have your own dock or trailer your boat.
http://www.harbourfrontcentre.com/boating/?page_id=16

I used to keep my ski boat trailered until I sold it. It was easy to haul and launch.

My 22' pontoon was in a marina @ a mere $200/month in a covered slip until I built my boat dock/lift. Boats over 20'...and especially sailboats are too cumbersome to launch often.

If you want to buy, make sure you buy the right boat and investigate the most economical storage. If the boat is small enough, many marinas have dry storage options and will put your boat in the water within a half hour's notice.
 

IronWing

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Why did you have to post that? Now I am thinking of getting one of these for my lake house. $1,200 is beyond reasonable.
We had them at boy scout camp. I haven't sailed since then (haven't lived anywhere with suitable water) but they were a blast. Paddling home when the wind died wasn't so great but still not much more work than a canoe.
 

utahraptor

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If you just want to sail consider picking up a used Sunfish on craigslist:

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They can hold one maybe two small people and can be found used with trailer for $500-750 and can be towed behind most any vehicle.
 

Eug

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As mentioned in the original post, the boat in question is a powerboat, not a sailboat.

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The idea would have been to have a number of people on the boat, hence the size (30-feet). The boat does have two beds, and a full kitchen. I've also been told it is air conditioned too.

But like I said, I've since said forget it, not for me.

For $800+ a trip, I'd rather drive to wine country and rent a nice 4-star hotel room for the weekend and go eat at some nice restaurants.
 

zinfamous

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ah, the 'ol summer internship in advertising.
 
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slag

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Due to the flooding in NE Kansas this year, we aren't even going to be able to get our boat out on the water. We also have 4 jetskis so we will just ride those instead of summerizing the boat.
 

KMFJD

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co-worker always says if you have too much money to just buy a boat and you will never have that problem again