Buyer left the country before the package got there

squelchy451

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Hi. I recently sold a laptop on a forum, shipped it USPS 2 day priority shipping since the guy said he needed it by last Thursday. I shipped it out on Monday. However, the damn thing just got to Indiana, and surprise! The guy is out of the country tomorrow.

Now, it was done through Paypal, the guy just sent me a payment, probably using "For purchase". If the guy is not available to get his package, am I in any way obligated to refund him?

EDIT: What I mean is, if the package gets sent back to me am I obligated legally to refund him? Morally, yes I will refund, but how about legally? This whole thing has been a mess and he is being such an asshole about it I don't want him to have any advantage over me.
 
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IronWing

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This is my hairy eyeball <"'O'">. I would be leery about refunding anything until I got the laptop back.
 

JSt0rm

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you have your product back. what are you going to do keep the laptop and his money?
 

squelchy451

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The reason I ask is that I've been at the other end of things. I bought something with signature service, and three times USPS just left a "Sorry we couldn't reach you" notice. The item was sent back and I did not get a refund. I've tried every which way to get a refund, but it could not be done.

I will be refunding the guy if I do get the merchandise back. Legal or not, keeping the money and the product is a dick move, but I was just trying to see where the legal obligation is, because I sure as hell didn't see it when I was on the other end.
 

AkumaX

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The reason I ask is that I've been at the other end of things. I bought something with signature service, and three times USPS just left a "Sorry we couldn't reach you" notice. The item was sent back and I did not get a refund. I've tried every which way to get a refund, but it could not be done.

No way. You should have gotten your refund. If not through PayPal, you credit card chargeback.
 

squelchy451

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If he did, then he would have to change his username to welshy451.

Haha is this a dig at me and my sheep-shagging brethren?

One of the reasons I ask this is that I once bought something and it was sent back to the seller. I could not get a refund for the life of me.
 

madoka

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Haha is this a dig at me and my sheep-shagging brethren?

One of the reasons I ask this is that I once bought something and it was sent back to the seller. I could not get a refund for the life of me.

welsh (w&#277;lsh, w&#277;lch) also welch (w&#277;lch)

intr.v. welshed, welsh·ing, welsh·es also welched or welch·ing or welch·es Informal

1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager: welsh on a bet.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
 

AznAnarchy99

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No way. You should have gotten your refund. If not through PayPal, you credit card chargeback.

Why more people don't use their credit cards to back them I don't know.

Stub Hub recently screwed me and shut off my account for a "technical glitch" the day of an event and didn't want to refund my money back. Disputed Amex, got the charge back. Stub Hub tried to fight it with Amex and they told them to pound sand.
 
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yeah if paypal fucked you, fuck the buyer - that's the way they rule things, they will be taken down for shit like that soon
 

HamburgerBoy

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welsh (w&#277;lsh, w&#277;lch) also welch (w&#277;lch)

intr.v. welshed, welsh·ing, welsh·es also welched or welch·ing or welch·es Informal

1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager: welsh on a bet.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.

For all my life I always thought it was "welch" (apparently not a real word). An ethnic slur I can use with impunity, joy! :D
 

Newbian

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The reason I ask is that I've been at the other end of things. I bought something with signature service, and three times USPS just left a "Sorry we couldn't reach you" notice. The item was sent back and I did not get a refund. I've tried every which way to get a refund, but it could not be done.

I seriously hope you are joking as no one can be that dumb.
 

DaveSimmons

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Hi. I recently sold a laptop on a forum, shipped it USPS 2 day priority shipping since the guy said he needed it by last Thursday. I shipped it out on Monday. However, the damn thing just got to Indiana, and surprise! The guy is out of the country tomorrow.

Now, it was done through Paypal, the guy just sent me a payment, probably using "For purchase". If the guy is not available to get his package, am I in any way obligated to refund him?

EDIT: What I mean is, if the package gets sent back to me am I obligated legally to refund him? Morally, yes I will refund, but how about legally? This whole thing has been a mess and he is being such an asshole about it I don't want him to have any advantage over me.

You failed to deliver a laptop on time and now are asking if that makes it OK to steal from your buyer!?

Wow.
 

madoka

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For all my life I always thought it was "welch" (apparently not a real word). An ethnic slur I can use with impunity, joy! :D

Weird how they didn't say it was offensive, like they do with the verb form of jew.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Jew

jew (jo&#862;o)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew

verb (used with object)
5. (lowercase) Offensive. to bargain sharply with; beat down in price (often followed by down).
 
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For all my life I always thought it was "welch" (apparently not a real word). An ethnic slur I can use with impunity, joy! :D

I think it largely has changed to welch, probably in response to it originating from being an ethnic slur. Kinda like how ******-rigging is now "jerry-rigging" (although I believe there's more to it than that, I'm seeing stuff claiming "jerry" came from WWII, but I'd guess it comes more from stupid people and "jury-rig" which came from sailing lingo; so I guess it being largely welch might also be more due to stupidity and mis-hearing/pronunciating).
 
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For all my life I always thought it was "welch" (apparently not a real word). An ethnic slur I can use with impunity, joy! :D

Weird how they didn't say it was offensive, like they do with the verb form of jew.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Jew

jew (jo&#862;o)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew

verb (used with object)
5. (lowercase) Offensive. to bargain sharply with; beat down in price (often followed by down).

You're failing miserably at making your blatantly bullshit points today.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Welsh

welsh (w&#603;l&#643;, w&#603;lt&#643;) also welch

v.i. Sometimes Offensive.
1. to fail to pay what is owed (often fol. by on): welshed on his gambling debts.
2. to go back on one's word (often fol. by on): to welsh on a promise.
[1855–60; perhaps special use of Welsh]
welsh&#8242;er, n.
usage.: Though any relationship between the words welsh “to renege” and Welsh referring to inhabitants or natives of Wales is uncertain, many people of Welsh origin find welsh to be offensive. Words such as renege or swindle can be substituted if desired.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welsh

welsh
verb \&#712;welsh, &#712;welch\
Definition of WELSH
intransitive verb
1
sometimes offensive : to avoid payment —used with on
2
sometimes offensive : to break one's word : renege
— welsh·er noun, sometimes offensive

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/welsh

Usage note
Use of this verb is sometimes perceived as insulting to or by the Welsh, the people of Wales. However, its actual origin may have nothing to do with Wales or its people; in fact, the verb is also spelled welch.
 

HamburgerBoy

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At the very least, "welshing" doesn't have the public stigma that comes with "jewing" or "gyping". Not everyone gets off scot-free.
 
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Off your meds today?

Geez, I did a search and this was the first thing to pop up:

https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=Welsh

I'm sorry I didn't fully research it to your satisfaction. :rolleyes:

I did a search for welsh and the 3 I linked were the first 3 that showed up (in fact the site you linked doesn't even show up on the first page for me). And every single one of them mentioned it being possibly offensive. And you then went out of your way to cite two different ones (both of which I linked to their definition for welsh/welch) to try and make the point about them citing Jew being used offensively.

Um, well if you're going to try to make stupid points you should maybe research them?

And for anyone wondering why I reacted like I did, its because this person was using similar lack of knowing what they were talking about to try and make an argument in another thread that dealt with ethnicity (and if I remember correctly regularly posts in such a manner on similar topics). So either they're playing a neo-con caricature with the points they're trying to make or are just being really stupid and basing their arguments on 2 seconds of searching (which my posts were just going out of my way to show that 2 seconds of searching kinda disputes their points so that I think there's definitely more to it than just simple ignorance based on convenience).

At the very least, "welshing" doesn't have the public stigma that comes with "jewing" or "gyping". Not everyone gets off scot-free.

That's because a link to it being used as a derogatory ethnic term doesn't seem to be well established. Whereas, well there's that whole Holocaust thing...

Isn't it weird that terms describing groups that have had to deal with ethnic cleansing and rampant bigotry and hatred have it mentioned that the term is used in a far too often derogatory way? That's so weird, right? Here, let me base all of my knowledge of that on literally one second of research (allegedly, because a lot of sites that tend to be more popular all seem to explicitly point out the potential offensive aspect) and then wonder why that is? Because, that's weird, right? I mean who could imagine why the definition of Jew might mention its derogatory use, right? Because we know the Welsh have had a lot of hatred towards them all over the world for centuries, and had one of the most vile and horrible acts of genocide committed against them in relatively recent history. Oh wait, no, that's Jews? Still can't figure out why the dictionary would mention how Jew is used offensively...

(That's in no way to belittle the Welsh, who have had their own struggles, and absolutely have faced some messed up stuff thanks to the Roman Empire and Anglo-Saxon control of the region, probably among other things, my knowledge of Welsh history is hardly profound; and yet within a few seconds of Googling I was seemingly able to trump some other people's knowledge...).
 

madoka

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I did a search for welsh and the 3 I linked were the first 3 that showed up (in fact the site you linked doesn't even show up on the first page for me).

Because all search engines pull the exact same results right? :rolleyes:

Good god you're an idiot.
 

squelchy451

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I love how we got from my question to the offensive nature of a word.

For the record, I am not gonna swindle the guy.

@Newbian, I wish I was kidding. This was a few years back, ebay and paypal just fucked me over. They wouldn't even let me open a claim because it was more than 20 days since the purchase. It took 10 days for the initial delivery and the redelivery attempts alone took two weeks easily.
 

madoka

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I love how we got from my question to the offensive nature of a word.

Honestly, I don't even know what "point" that retard thinks I'm trying to make. I was just ribbing you since your username rhymes with welch. But the SJW thinks there's something more going on here. :confused: I get the sense he's got issues.