Memory and Storage, Graphics Cards
- Sep 13, 2008
I think you quoted my post in error? Did you mean to respond to OP?
Nope. I was just agreeing with your points you made in your 2nd post, and acknowledging my other post was a little "blunt".I think you quoted my post in error? Did you mean to respond to OP?
Missuse=overclocking/voltingWHAT DOES THIS WARRANTY NOT COVER?
Any problems that do not relate specifically to a manufacturing defect or hardware product failure, including, but not limited to, problems caused by abuse, misuse, negligence, act of God (such as flood), misapplication of service by a party other than an authorized service representative, software, shipment damages, etc.
Non transferable...LIMITATIONS OF WARRANTY
This warranty applies only to the original purchases of the Warranted Products from a retailer, mail order operation, or on-line retail store; this warranty will not extend to any person that acquires a Warranted Product on a used basis.
This is the same for any company,your warranty will last for as long as your local law demands it to last,it doesn't matter how long each manufacturer tells you the warranty will last if your local law demands a longer period.SOME STATES AND JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW EXCLUSIONS OF CERTAIN IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG AN IMPLIED WARRANTY LASTS, SO SOME OF THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
NVIDIA RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CHANGE ITS WARRANTIES AT ANY TIME, IN ITS SOLE DISCRETION WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE SALES AND DELIVERIES.
Okay. How do I make them give me a better warranty when I've already purchased the product?Really sad how many are just in blind defence mode here. Clearly a 1 year warranty from AMD is not good enough on a $700 card when you can get 3 years from other people. Instead of trying to bury it why not put pressure on AMD to make it a 3 year warranty like their direct competitor offers. That is the best result for AMD users - just because it's AMD doesn't mean you should suck it up and take bad business practices. Surely what we want is a better AMD who provide a better service to it's customers?
Well you can return it and buy one that has a 3 year warranty saying why you are doing it. Personally I've had cards die just out of warranty (mine was 2 years, nvidia 970) and I was pretty annoyed. If your R7 dies at 1 year 1 month and that's $700 down the drain you'll be kicking yourself you didn't get a better warranty on it.Okay. How do I make them give me a better warranty when I've already purchased the product?
Heh. Radeon VII is sold out pretty much everywhere, again. So that isn't going to happen. Sorry.Well you can return it and buy one that has a 3 year warranty saying why you are doing it. Personally I've had cards die just out of warranty (mine was 2 years, nvidia 970) and I was pretty annoyed. If your R7 dies at 1 year 1 month and that's $700 down the drain you'll be kicking yourself you didn't get a better warranty on it.
Really if enough fuss is kicked up then AMD will probably feel obliged to change it for the R7 and future cards.
As I pointed out, by mentioning Sapphire and Diamond, yes it is.This is not a normal warranty
Sure we do, that's why people should avoid buying directly from AMD.com and buy the 2-year warranty products instead, that is if they really want the VII (not a good fit for most consumers if you ask me)Surely what we want is a better AMD who provide a better service to it's customers?
No, if they really cared, they simply shouldn't be buying the cards, with a 1-year warranty. Eventually, AMD would get the picture.A one year warranty on a $700 graphics card is utterly unacceptable. People shouldn't be excusing or defending such anti-consumer garbage.
People being careless at the time of purchase doesn't mean they don't care. You being overly generous on terms with some friend when selling a PC doesn't mean you don't care whether you eventually get paid or not.So, clearly, the majority of buyers of this card DON'T CARE.
I would tentatively agree with that, with the caveat that it should only really apply to cards that cost more than $500.For the sake of this discussion we should generally agree that cards sold with 1 year warranties are not worth buying and should be advised against on this forum.
I don't know if I agree with that.For the sake of this discussion we should generally agree that cards sold with 1 year warranties are not worth buying and should be advised against on this forum.
@Mr Evil , @DrMrLordX and I have all purchased cards, apparently. I don't know about you two, but when I purchased my card it immediately went OOS, so I suspect they had somewhere between 1-2 cards in stock when I purchased.I don't know if I agree with that.
Radeon VII in particular is being sold mostly through amd.com . Vendors carrying third-party cards have very short supplies. Your position means that, effectively, nobody on this forum would buy Radeon VII for now or the foreseeable future.
How many do you think they're going to make? AMD has already made vague comments about third parties having the option to make their own custom boards, but they seem pretty vague about the whole thing.Foreseeable future?! The card just launched, let's chill a bit, maybe even use proper judgement.
I would tentatively agree with that, with the caveat that it should only really apply to cards that cost more than $500.
I disagree. It's not the cost that matters as much as the expected service life.Edit: It may be just my cynical point-of-view, too, that I don't see warranty from the mfg as much of a value-add, having read MANY stories online about RMA issues, same item getting returned without getting fixed or replaced multiple times, items getting refused for "physical damage", when receiving the item for RMA, when someone has pictures of it in pristine condition before being sent., etc.
I figure that RMAs are virtually worthless these days, I guess, so I don't see any serious value in a warranty.
Actually, they've decreased. There used to be a number of companies offering SSDs with 10-year warranties. Patriot Torx and Samsung "Pro" SATA SSDs used to be that way.See how SSD warranty periods have gradually increased on average towards 3 years and now 5 years
I've never been able to return any storage device, because I won't let anyone else have one until I've wiped the data from it, which is hard to do when it's not working......I follow a similar train of thought about HDDs...