Buy a lower-end gaming-class GPU. Basically, minimal modern 1080P card. RX 570 for $120, or GTX 1650 for $140?

VirtualLarry

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I see that there is already a thread about this in this forum. Although, that one is for a HTPC, and the OP is from Canada.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/rx-570-or-gtx-1650-what-do-you-think.2568400/


Which makes the most sense?

Currently, PSU in rig that needs a GPU has a brand-new Corsair CX450 80Plus Bronze, and has a single PCI-E 6+2 power connector on it. (non-modular)

I currently have an older R7 260X XFX dual-fan "Ghost 3.0" cooler model in there. It runs OK, but only does 4K30, won't do 4K60 for desktop usage, over the HDMI 1.4b port.

Would like to get something nicer, and new, in there, to sell/gift this rig.

Rest of rig is Ryzen R5 1600 CPU, 16GB DIMM (single-channel) 2667 @ 3000 1.35V, M.2 NVMe 256GB, Win10 Pro 64-bit 1903. Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 ATX board (open-box special). Some DIYPC case, fairly cheap, but with a tempered-glass side, no RGB, but mobo has a light-up stripe along the inside edge.

First off, I know that the RX 570 4GB is around double the performance of the R7 260X 2GB GDDR5 model, not sure how the GTX 1650 stacks up to it, somewhere in-between I expect.

I guess, if RX 570 4GB is faster than the GTX 1650, and cheaper to boot, and only a bit more power consumption, is there any real advantage to getting a GTX 1650? Besides if you already have a G-Sync monitor (this person does not, although I gifted them a 75Hz FreeSync AOC gaming monitor a little while ago).
 

VirtualLarry

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Just leave the 260X in and give them the system! Don't waste more of your money on it. If they want a new GPU to make the most of their free monitor, they can buy one themselves.
Yeah, I guess. I just feel that it's relatively under-powered. (It's basically like an RX 460, or so, maybe a bit slower since it's an older GCN 1.1.)

And my friend said that if I was going to make a gaming rig for one of his offspring, that it had to be more powerful than his PC. His PC has a GTX 1050 in it, and a quad-core.

Was looking to make something impressive, so my friend doesn't think that I only make mediocre rigs. (Of course, all of my friends want top-notch rigs, but when I suggested I could build something high-end, i5-9400F, 32-64GB of DDR4, RTX 2060 or better, for $1200, he was like, "no money". This is a different friend than I mentioned in some of my prior threads, this friend is working full-time.)

I gave him a rig for his kids with a G4560 and an R7 260X 2GB, 8GB of DDR4, and I don't recall the drive arrangement, but he was supposed to throw me a few bucks towards parts, and ... well, still waiting. He said at one point, that it was "stuttering", but around that time, Win10 had some updates that caused stuttering even on $1500 rigs, so I don't think it was my rig. Surely, that would be enough for Fortnite?

Anyways, I have this R5 1600 currently overclocked to 3.80Ghz all-core, and testing using BOINC and PrimeGrid (really grueling). RAM is also overclocked, from 2667 1.2V (JEDEC) to 3000 1.35V. But currently, only a single 16GB DIMM. I'm wondering about dropping in the other one, if that will cause the RAM OC to be unstable. I guess according to CPU-Z, they are dual-rank Micron chips.
 

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Yeah, I guess. I just feel that it's relatively under-powered. (It's basically like an RX 460, or so, maybe a bit slower since it's an older GCN 1.1.)

And my friend said that if I was going to make a gaming rig for one of his offspring, that it had to be more powerful than his PC. His PC has a GTX 1050 in it, and a quad-core.

Was looking to make something impressive, so my friend doesn't think that I only make mediocre rigs. (Of course, all of my friends want top-notch rigs, but when I suggested I could build something high-end, i5-9400F, 32-64GB of DDR4, RTX 2060 or better, for $1200, he was like, "no money". This is a different friend than I mentioned in some of my prior threads, this friend is working full-time.)

I gave him a rig for his kids with a G4560 and an R7 260X 2GB, 8GB of DDR4, and I don't recall the drive arrangement, but he was supposed to throw me a few bucks towards parts, and ... well, still waiting. He said at one point, that it was "stuttering", but around that time, Win10 had some updates that caused stuttering even on $1500 rigs, so I don't think it was my rig. Surely, that would be enough for Fortnite?

Anyways, I have this R5 1600 currently overclocked to 3.80Ghz all-core, and testing using BOINC and PrimeGrid (really grueling). RAM is also overclocked, from 2667 1.2V (JEDEC) to 3000 1.35V. But currently, only a single 16GB DIMM. I'm wondering about dropping in the other one, if that will cause the RAM OC to be unstable. I guess according to CPU-Z, they are dual-rank Micron chips.
Going out on a limb and assuming it's more about sharing your hobby and passion with your extended family. I hate having hardware just sitting so everything gets passed down or around. I'd build everything because I knew I'd be able to solve whatever came up. I found myself being more tech support than friend for my friends. That's not cool. So I started making people build their own systems. I'd be there for the whole build and instruct as needed. People who wanted free stuff weeded themselves out. Everyone else got a lot better at troubleshooting over the years and it's back to friend time. Also, if the kid(s) is old enough to play games on a PC they are old enough to help put it together.
 

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If your friend wants his kids to have a big GPU, he can buy them a big GPU. Stop enabling freeloaders!
 
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To answer the OP's question: get the 570, why wouldn't you get the 570?

Its more performance where performance really matters (gaming) for less money.
 
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Regarding the speed difference between the GTX 1650 and RX 570, there's an Anandtech article for that!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14270/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1650-review-feat-zotac
Thanks. I guess it doesn't really make that much sense to get a GTX 1650 for any rig, unless you can't choose or replace the PSU. (As any aftermarket PSU these days of 450W or above, as in the aforementioned rig, is going to have at least one PCI-E 6+2 pin power connector.)

That said, if they could slim them down to single-slot, there might be a nice niche market for the GTX 1650 as well. (Looking at the linked review of the Zotac, and the "simple" cooler arrangement that they used. Perhaps making it a little bit fancier, but thinner, might be possible (for a slightly increased price).
 

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Either there isn't a market for single slot or AIBs have decided there isn't a market for single slot coolers.
It sure seems that way.

There are cards with single slot coolers available. Unfortunately, you need to head over in the professional workstation market. Which means a premium price sticker for anything strong enough to game on.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Going to revisit this topic briefly for now.

Right now, Newegg has couple of GTX 1650 cards, for ~$105, after both promo codes and MIRs, and has a GTX 1660 for ~$200 after a $35 off promo code (I think today only? So I won't be able to take advantage of that.)

Is MSRP of a GTX 1660, $189, or $229? $200 could be a good deal, or a bad deal.

Still, if I were to purchase for my own PC, I wouldn't go lower than a GTX 1660 ti model, because I would want the GDDR6, for mining purposes. (I hear it's a lot more efficient for memory-intensive mining applications.) And unfortunately, great deals on the 1660ti are semi-rare. Although, you can get an RTX 2060 non-Super for $300 sometimes, although the cooling may not be the best. (I think that I've seen EVGA triple-slot / single-fan, and Asus TUF dual-fan (smaller fans and heatsink) for around that price.)
 

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Thanks, Happy. Hopefully similar deals will be around in a week when I have some more money. I really wanted a 2070 Super, but I don't think that I can afford one, if I could even find one in stock. Maybe a RTX 2060 for $300, if I can find another one like that too. The Asus TUF cards seem to be having $50 promo codes right now, for their lower/mid-range cards.
 

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