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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
I usually agree with Moonbeam, but on this one I differ. I think people who abuse young children need to be punished and separated from society, and I am perfectly content to make that capital punishment, or any other vengeful response. I have no mercy for that, and if anyone ever abused my daughter, I would sacrifice whatever I had to sacrifice to take their life in the most painful way possible.

Me too, but then what would you have. Wouldn't we just show our daughters how much we are the same as the ones who harmed them? Can you not see that violence is endless unless it ends in you? I don't condemn your feelings. I just know your way is empty. I could kill the world and it won't change one single bit of my pain. You and I were both murdered as children and that's why we hate. We willingly killed ourselves when we adopted conformed egos. We hate ourselves because we surrendered and cast aside innocence. But we had to. But we are forgiven because there never was any sin.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, moonbeam knows my intentions better than I do...:roll:
Keep playing apologist for pedophiles if you wish.... but I sure won't.

Pedophiles are sick. I didn't apologize for them. I tried to get you to see how your thinking perpetuates their existence. You feed their needs with your hate just like they feed yours. You and they are hand and glove.
 
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Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

I see. So now anyone who thinks what Bernis Ward has done is wrong, is now some sort of self-hating, biggot.

Thats just another typical deflection to take away from any type of discussion on how disgusting Ward's actions actually are.
 

JD50

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Wow, look at moonbeam calling people bigots while he defends child porn. I think you're pretty much losing anyone that ever agreed with you on these forums.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

You made me angry because you insulted my parents and accused me of being one of the two hands of child abuse while you defend a child pornography user and distributer. You're a hack who can't see the forest for the trees and your moronic babbling on this forum doesn't fool me. You're a child.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

You made me angry because you insulted my parents and accused me of being one of the two hands of child abuse while you defend a child pornography user and distributer. You're a hack who can't see the forest for the trees and your moronic babbling on this forum doesn't fool me. You're a child.


Godless..like a lot of libs Moonbeam is pure poison behind the facade of self righteous rationalization. I would just dismiss that person and recognise their venom is a measure of their conflict and failings and dont even take them personal. That's one haunted house!
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

I see. So now anyone who thinks what Bernis Ward has done is wrong, is now some sort of self-hating, biggot.

Thats just another typical deflection to take away from any type of discussion on how disgusting Ward's actions actually are.

Quit playing with yourself, Corbett. My opinion about Ward changed when I read the few lines I could stomach of the transcript and have said so. I can't buy he was doing research. I wish I could. What I will not do is go from what he said there to a correspondence with his actual personal reality without proof. He was engaged in on-line chat having what I think must have been titillation and the satisfaction of some rather infantile sexual repression rather than research. Child pron is a real crime, in my opinion. What he did was download pictures of somebody else's criminal act to his computer and then to a third party, as part of that role playing. We can't establish anything more than that. The guy appears to me to have had some really embarrassing sexual fantasies he wanted to play out, but did nothing criminal except technically. Laws on child porn are there to prevent and catch child pornographers and he violated those laws while doing something else, and that is all we have evidence for. He did this long ago before there was much knowledge about that kind of illegality or any indication anybody might get caught. Again, you don't become a murderer or deserve the death penalty for downloading pictures of people who have been murdered and the only reason that's not illegal is because there's not a known market, at least as far as I know.

I know it's too much for your black and white mind to handle much nuance, but law, when it is absolute, is rough shod and evil. We can't always know what people's motives are for downloading porn, but we have made it illegal to do even for genuine research, or for any reason at all. It is the intent that matters to me and when the intent is invisible and unproven one deserves a presumption of innocents of that intent. In Ward's case, intent is irrelevant so he is going to jail. He has to plea or risk twice the time. Very sad in my opinion because this guy does so much good in the community. So it is you who is doing all the deflecting, ignoring the facts and allowing your contempt and disgust with child pornography to reach out and seek your own victims.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, look at moonbeam calling people bigots while he defends child porn. I think you're pretty much losing anyone that ever agreed with you on these forums.

I lost everything I ever valued looking for truth and what I found was real and inexhaustible value. What you tell me is your fear to be anything but a conforming sheep. You are afraid to know, a moral coward. I don't give one rat's ass who does or does not agree with me and in particular, not you.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

You made me angry because you insulted my parents and accused me of being one of the two hands of child abuse while you defend a child pornography user and distributer. You're a hack who can't see the forest for the trees and your moronic babbling on this forum doesn't fool me. You're a child.

Allow this child to remind you that you won't get to heaven if you're not. Oh but that's right, you're too mature for that. You're a Godless one. Hehe.

You are angry because you have Stockholm Syndrome and I insulted the people who kidnapped your heart and ruined your soul and like the good brainwashed boob that you are, you defend them. You do not know what you feel. You have no idea that you are angry at me because of what they did to YOU. And you sure as hell don't remember.

Understand that you can't be other than you are nor could your parents who also in their own sick way loved you. Nothing could be different than it was and neither you or your folks are to blame. The truth is for those who can rise above blame. You will understand when you can forgive me.

The truth is hidden by the fact that it is totally outrageous. The truth is that your ego has to die. Good luck.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: MoonbeamYou are a deep fool, but you won't see it. You are a bigot blinded by hate of evil, an evil that is just a sickness like your own. You and the molester are the two hands of child abuse, but because you hate yourself as you hate him you will never see.

You know what Moonbeam? Go fuck yourself and your bullshit psychobabble. You have no idea.

Hehehehe, what you haven't got is any idea what it is about what I say that makes you so angry. While you were busy looking at the Zodiac I was looking at me. You looked up but I looked in. I dance with the monsters under your bed. I see into your dark and you call what I tell you babble. Gee, what a big surprise for me. Who would of ever expected?

Who would have guess the truth is hidden because it makes people know they're crazy? Who would imagine it would make them upset? If you want to fuck me you'll have to get in a very very long line.

You made me angry because you insulted my parents and accused me of being one of the two hands of child abuse while you defend a child pornography user and distributer. You're a hack who can't see the forest for the trees and your moronic babbling on this forum doesn't fool me. You're a child.


Godless..like a lot of libs Moonbeam is pure poison behind the facade of self righteous rationalization. I would just dismiss that person and recognise their venom is a measure of their conflict and failings and dont even take them personal. That's one haunted house!

Godless, you might want to listen carefully to Butterbean. He is, I think, a true genius and expert on being dismissed.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, look at moonbeam calling people bigots while he defends child porn. I think you're pretty much losing anyone that ever agreed with you on these forums.

I lost everything I ever valued looking for truth and what I found was real and inexhaustible value. What you tell me is your fear to be anything but a conforming sheep. You are afraid to know, a moral coward. I don't give one rat's ass who does or does not agree with me and in particular, not you.

LOL, you're calling into question my moral character, while you defend child pornography and pass it off as "just a mouse click".
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: JD50
Wow, look at moonbeam calling people bigots while he defends child porn. I think you're pretty much losing anyone that ever agreed with you on these forums.

I lost everything I ever valued looking for truth and what I found was real and inexhaustible value. What you tell me is your fear to be anything but a conforming sheep. You are afraid to know, a moral coward. I don't give one rat's ass who does or does not agree with me and in particular, not you.

LOL, you're calling into question my moral character, while you defend child pornography and pass it off as "just a mouse click".

Not just your moral character but your intelligence. I didn't do anything you just said and because you are both stupid an an asshole you can't see it.

Child pornography that involves real children involved in sexual acts is a hideous crime. It happens where people's allow their own lust to smother what should be a natural protective instinct to children. Such people need to be separated from society so they can't do more harm.

The reaction of normal people to child abuse is to stop it with violence if necessary. This is how any dog would react. But we are more than dogs. Nothing wrong with dogs, mine you, they have no worries about tearing you apart if you harm their pups, at least some of them, but you are supposed to be human. You are supposed to be able to temper your animal emotions with reason. It's why we have courts and jury nullification. People at some remove from some situation can better bring reason to bear. Your same compassion for children ought to extend to all human beings and particularly to those who it is said have committed a crime. A dog must attack but a human must know that what he attacks is actually guilty of something worth being attacked for. You function at the level of a dog, morally and intellectually.