Bush's opinion on his warrantless searches.....

[RightIsWrong]

CNN full story

President Bush defended anew his program of warrantless surveillance Thursday, saying "there's no doubt in my mind it is legal."

He suggested that he might resist congressional efforts to change it.

"The program's legal, it's designed to protect civil liberties, and it's necessary," Bush told reporters at a White House news conference.

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

I would love to ask him that question. And I think that his response would be somethign like "No, because the White House lawyers and the Attorney General have already advised me that it is legal".

 

[zendari]

Why is his opinion less valid than yours?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari
Why is his opinion less valid than yours?

It isn't any less valid or any more valid. It is up to the courts to decide. I'm glad that you agree that this needs to be investigated to see who is right and if he is wrong.....

Gentlemen......start the impeachment hearings!!!!

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
Why is his opinion less valid than yours?

It isn't any less valid or any more valid. It is up to the courts to decide. I'm glad that you agree that this needs to be investigated to see who is right and if he is wrong.....

Gentlemen......start the impeachment hearings!!!!

This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I find it entertaining that he is claiming this program exists to "protect civil liberties." The Bush administration has an underlying Orwellian dishonesty about its programs that I find remarkable.

BTW, Zendari, are you ever going to return to your DeLay thread? Your fans await your response!

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: zendari
Why is his opinion less valid than yours?

Because of his history of lying and then lying about lying.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
Why is his opinion less valid than yours?

It isn't any less valid or any more valid. It is up to the courts to decide. I'm glad that you agree that this needs to be investigated to see who is right and if he is wrong.....

Gentlemen......start the impeachment hearings!!!!

This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hey zenny, how about this.. Here's your fearless leader from 2004

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

From the jackass's mouth

You'll probably respond this one as well as you've responded to this thread.

hypocrite.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

We may issue an apology if you admit you were wrong in the There is no leadership race thread! :laugh:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

Do you think the Supreme Court is in Bush's pocket?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

We may issue an apology if you admit you were wrong in the There is no leadership race thread! :laugh:

Certainly odd how your behavior is so dependent on mine.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Do you think the Supreme Court is in Bush's pocket?

No.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

return to the delay thread

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

We may issue an apology if you admit you were wrong in the There is no leadership race thread! :laugh:

Certainly odd how your behavior is so dependent on mine.

looks like bush faltered again

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
Do you think the Supreme Court is in Bush's pocket?

No.

how do your opinions matter more than others' opinions?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
Do you think the Supreme Court is in Bush's pocket?

No.

how do your opinions matter more than others' opinions?

When did I say it did?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: zendari
This statement:

Well then I don't suppose you have any problems appointing a special prosecutor or an independant, bipartisan committee to clear up the differences between your OPINION on the matter and what the ACTUAL LAW AND CONSTITUTION states, eh Mr. President?

seems to imply what I said above. For one, you assume there are differences.

Only based on what a "vast majority" of constitutional scholars and law professionals have stated. That has helped me shape my opinion just as Gonzalez's interpretations have helped Georgie-boy shape his.

I'm saying.....let's let the real courts decide. Do you have a problem with this actually being investigated? Do you feel that this could bring down your fuhrer....er leader? Why do you hate America so much that you won't investigate someone breaking our laws?

I don't have a problem with that. I wonder, though, if the courts rule in favor of the President, will you and the rest of the Bush detractors be issuing a full apology? Or will you start a tirade on Sam Alito and the courts being in Bush's pocket?

We may issue an apology if you admit you were wrong in the There is no leadership race thread! :laugh:

Certainly odd how your behavior is so dependent on mine.

Certainly odd how you want us to own up when you fail to do so yourself! :laugh:

 

[DealMonkey]

I could give two sh!ts about Bush & Gonzales's legal opinion on the matter. OF COURSE they're going to THINK their own actions are legal. Their opinion is worthless just like the 95% of the people who are in prison who are still claiming they're innocent. I mean think about it for a moment, when someone is accused of doing something illegal are you really going to ask THEM what their legal opinion on the matter is? Of course not.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Certainly odd how you want us to own up when you fail to do so yourself! :laugh:

I simply asked a question, I didn't have any desired answer in mind.

 

[Lemon law]

First we have to understand why the framers of our constitution included the bill of rights---it was largely there as a result of their revulsion of British tactic during the fight for independence----namely anyone suspected of having inpure thoughts had their property searched and would be imprisoned indefinitely awaiting some future vague charge that never materalised.

What Bush seems to be mostly doing is mining huge amounts of raw data---------data very likely to be useless in catching terrorists but very prone to wild goose chases-----and very effective in gaining political control for blackmail uses------why he refuses to use the rubber stamp courts baffles me but Cheney has always been big on Presidential control of everything------which is very dangerous when you are depending on one man who is pretty well incompetent as it is.

And why people like Alito scare the hell out of me------because they have that power to decide black is really white-----------I don't have any troubel reading the constitution and deciding searches without warrants and due process are clearly unconstitutional-----sadly I can't speak for the supremes-----but countless new democracies have modeled themselves after the US and our constitution---and most failed when someone decided for expedience that the constitution didn't really mean what it plainly said.

Now Bush, in the name of a war on terror, is bringing back precisely all the evils our forfather fought against-------secret imprisonment--no access to due process of law------warrantless searches. All hail King George--------mad King George at that.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrByte
Do you think the Supreme Court is in Bush's pocket?

No.

how do your opinions matter more than others' opinions?

When did I say it did?

Well then thank you for confirming that your opinion really doesn't matter.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it entertaining that he is claiming this program exists to "protect civil liberties." The Bush administration has an underlying Orwellian dishonesty about its programs that I find remarkable.

Seems you've taken the Dean talking points and ran. You're at least the 10th liberal today to use the word "Orwellian" in your diatribe.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it entertaining that he is claiming this program exists to "protect civil liberties." The Bush administration has an underlying Orwellian dishonesty about its programs that I find remarkable.

Seems you've taken the Dean talking points and ran. You're at least the 10th liberal today to use the word "Orwellian" in your diatribe.

So you are saying that Bush's administration isn't dishonest and has been perfectly up front about everything that has transpired since its inauguration?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Hey zenny, how about this.. Here's your fearless leader from 2004

"Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

From the jackass's mouth

You'll probably respond this one as well as you've responded to this thread.

hypocrite.

zenny? or any other neo-con, why is dumbya saying this in 2004 and now it's not important to have a court order, dumbya would never flip-flop, he's too strong willed and single minded, right? :roll: