Bush's Approval Rating Does The Limbo; Americans Trust Congress Over Bush About Iraq

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most Americans see President George W. Bush as too inflexible on the war in Iraq and prefer that the Democratic-run Congress have the final word on when to withdraw U.S. forces, a Washington Post/ABC News poll showed on Monday.

Nearly 80 percent of those polled said Bush is not willing enough to change policies over the unpopular war that has taken a huge toll on his approval ratings, the Post reported.

The poll was conducted last week, after Senate Democrats failed to advance a plan that would force Bush to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq by April 2008.

More than six in 10 Americans -- 62 percent -- said Congress should have the final say on when to pull out U.S. forces, compared with 31 percent who said the decision should rest with Bush, the poll showed.

A narrow majority, 55 percent, said they supported the proposed pullout plan, which the Senate may not consider again until after its August recess.

The percentage of Americans seeing Bush as too rigid on Iraq has climbed 12 percentage points since December, the Post said.

It said Bush's approval rating of 33 percent matched his all-time low, with 65 percent disapproving. In previous Post/ABC polls, Bush was also at the 33 percent mark in May 2006 and January 2007.

Congress did not rate much better with a 37 percent approval and 60 percent disapproval rating, which the Post said was equal to dissatisfaction late last year when Republicans controlled Congress.

Other recent polls have shown Bush's approval rating below 30 percent and Congress even lower.

But on the issue of Iraq, the Post/ABC poll showed that the public stands with Congress.

Fifty-five percent said they trusted congressional Democrats on the war, compared with 32 percent who said they trusted Bush, the Post said.

The poll of 1,125 adults was conducted on July 18-21 and had a three-point margin of error.

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A total of 71% of Americans say they disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president according to the latest survey from the American Research Group.

Among all Americans, 25% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 71% disapprove. When it comes to Bush's handling of the economy, 23% approve and 73% disapprove.

Among Americans registered to vote, 27% approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president and 70% disapprove. When it comes to the way Bush is handling the economy, 23% of registered voters approve of the way Bush is handling the economy and 72% disapprove.

This is the highest level of disapproval and lowest level of approval for the Bush presidency recorded in monthly surveys by the American Research Group.

The results presented here are based on 1,100 completed telephone interviews conducted among a nationwide random sample of adults 18 years and older. The interviews were completed July 18 through 21, 2007. The theoretical margin of error for the total sample is plus or minus 2.6 percentage points, 95% of the time, on questions where opinion is evenly split.

Overall, 25% of Americans say that they approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president, 71% disapprove, and 4% are undecided.

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Despite the fact that the approval rating of Congress is mired by Bush's decision to veto, and the lack of Republican support to override it, the American people still overwhelmingly trust Congress over Bush regarding the war in Iraq.

This is just further proof that Bush has it all wrong when he said Congress should not be running the war. The American people can clearly see Bush is only running the war into the ground, and Congress is the only voice of reason with the power to end the war and bring our troops back home.
 

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In terms of how low GWB support can go---that can only be answered by various airborne chickens any one of which--singly or in groups---can decide to come home to roost.

Of course there is also that bluebird of happiness and success also airborne---but that bird is very unlikely to come home, and roost while singing songs of joy and praise for GWB.

But the gloom and doom for GWB crowd--and which I am a member of---still has to concede that the airborne chickens seem in no hurry to really come home on roost---and lay eggs on GWB's forehead. Only the Katrina chicken has really firmly roosted---but as we look up---we see a giant flock all them chickens circling overhead---and they appear to us like a huge flock of Turkey buzzards slowly descending and waiting to feast on the about to die carrion corpse of GWB&co.

And those damn chickens just keep on circling----stubbornly staying aloft---on--if nothing else---the resulted thermally generated hot air of GWB&co. rhetoric.
 

theeedude

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Gonna be long election night for GOP next year. Of course, they'll cut and run from their obstructionism and start flip flopping when we get closer to the inevitable.
 

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Despite the fact that the approval rating of Congress is mired by Bush's decision to veto, and the lack of Republican support to override it, the American people still overwhelmingly trust Congress over Bush regarding the war in Iraq.

This is just further proof that Bush has it all wrong when he said Congress should not be running the war. The American people can clearly see Bush is only running the war into the ground, and Congress is the only voice of reason with the power to end the war and bring our troops back home.

Now all the Democrats have to do is come up with a viable plan for withdrawal. As Biden mentioned at the YouTube debate, we are looking at a one to two year time horizon for complete withdrawal...we simply cannot pack up and leave in a matter of months.

The problem is that any solution to Iraq will require a diplomacy component...America must engage Iraq's neighbors, and the world community, to ensure that Iraq does not spiral into a civil war that will require American intervention at some point in the future. As Bush is seemingly unwilling to do so, it could ultimately mean that our strategy in Iraq will continue forward in its current state.

Quite honestly, I think the only solution is to split Iraq into three Republics, as was the case in the former Yugoslavia...the various factions and ethnic alliances within Iraq will probably never see eye to eye within the context of a westernized democracy.

 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Gonna be long election night for GOP next year. Of course, they'll cut and run from their obstructionism and start flip flopping when we get closer to the inevitable.
To early to start counting your winnings just yet. A LOT can change in the next year and a half.

Clinton was trailing in the polls well into the summer of 1992. In May of 1992 Perot was actually leading in national polls.

Also notice that support for the war is going UP in at least one recent poll. (check out the locked thread) If we continue to make progress via the surge then no telling where opinion on the war will be in another year.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: senseamp
Gonna be long election night for GOP next year. Of course, they'll cut and run from their obstructionism and start flip flopping when we get closer to the inevitable.
To early to start counting your winnings just yet. A LOT can change in the next year and a half.

Clinton was trailing in the polls well into the summer of 1992. In May of 1992 Perot was actually leading in national polls.

Also notice that support for the war is going UP in at least one recent poll. (check out the locked thread) If we continue to make progress via the surge then no telling where opinion on the war will be in another year.

I sincerely hope things turn around in Iraq, and if the war in Iraq was the ONLY factor in the failed leadership of the GOP then you might have a valid point..... but it's only the tip of the iceberg.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If we continue to make progress via the surge then no telling where opinion on the war will be in another year.

Where have I heard that line before?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just based on the last 4 years, I can tell you exactly where we'll be at regarding the opinion on the war next year.

Of course, your gut instinct may vary.
 

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The point is, that the Surge can't work without 200,000 extra troops---and getting back to the original question of this post--- how low can GWB go---it just depends what blows up in GWB;s face---certainly it can be Iraq---he may really lose big time with some sort of civil liberties or torture scandal if we can learn what HE IS ACTUALLY DOING, the the national debt we are piling on could really bite us, and the list of possible scandals is practically endless.

But even a few more roosting chickens could easily drive GWB down to single digit support numbers---but everyone one of those bad public policy chickens will come home to roost---its just a matter of time---will GWB&co. run out the clock?---or will some of the now flying chickens come home to roost before 1/09.

And then we can see how low GWB can go.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If we continue to make progress via the surge then no telling where opinion on the war will be in another year.

Where have I heard that line before?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just based on the last 4 years, I can tell you exactly where we'll be at regarding the opinion on the war next year.

Of course, your gut instinct may vary.

We take 1 step forward and 5 steps back. The neo-cons will only point the 1 step forward and never the 5 steps back and shout 'progress' at the top of their lungs.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Despite the fact that the approval rating of Congress is mired by Bush's decision to veto, and the lack of Republican support to override it, the American people still overwhelmingly trust Congress over Bush regarding the war in Iraq.

This is just further proof that Bush has it all wrong when he said Congress should not be running the war. The American people can clearly see Bush is only running the war into the ground, and Congress is the only voice of reason with the power to end the war and bring our troops back home.

Now all the Democrats have to do is come up with a viable plan for withdrawal. As Biden mentioned at the YouTube debate, we are looking at a one to two year time horizon for complete withdrawal...we simply cannot pack up and leave in a matter of months.

The problem is that any solution to Iraq will require a diplomacy component...America must engage Iraq's neighbors, and the world community, to ensure that Iraq does not spiral into a civil war that will require American intervention at some point in the future. As Bush is seemingly unwilling to do so, it could ultimately mean that our strategy in Iraq will continue forward in its current state.

Quite honestly, I think the only solution is to split Iraq into three Republics, as was the case in the former Yugoslavia...the various factions and ethnic alliances within Iraq will probably never see eye to eye within the context of a westernized democracy.

So you agree we cant just pack up and go home. The question then becomes...lets say we set a deadline. 6 months, 12 months, whatever. What makes us so arrogant to think the region will be stabalized in that time frame? I think thats where people miss the point of having no timeline. It has nothing to do with a mindless war so much as it has to do with understanding there is no way to predict human behavior. Sure its nice when the Dems try and pass feel good legislation for a pull out, but who the hell knows what kind of shape we would leave the region in? You people who demand an immediate pullout are so shortsighted and ignorant. Thank God your vote for president doesnt count.
 

Starbuck1975

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So you agree we cant just pack up and go home. The question then becomes...lets say we set a deadline. 6 months, 12 months, whatever. What makes us so arrogant to think the region will be stabalized in that time frame? I think thats where people miss the point of having no timeline. It has nothing to do with a mindless war so much as it has to do with understanding there is no way to predict human behavior. Sure its nice when the Dems try and pass feel good legislation for a pull out, but who the hell knows what kind of shape we would leave the region in? You people who demand an immediate pullout are so shortsighted and ignorant. Thank God your vote for president doesnt count.
That was my point entirely...Democrats are talking withdrawal because polls suggest that the American public want our troops home, and because it allow them to continue their offensive against the Bush Administration...in doing so, they are apparently paying no attention to military strategy or long term considerations...their focus remains on claiming the Presidency in 2008.
 

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If we continue to make progress via the surge then no telling where opinion on the war will be in another year.

Where have I heard that line before?

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just based on the last 4 years, I can tell you exactly where we'll be at regarding the opinion on the war next year.

Of course, your gut instinct may vary.

We take 1 step forward and 5 steps back. The neo-cons will only point the 1 step forward and never the 5 steps back and shout 'progress' at the top of their lungs.

One step forward with the right foot... Five steps back with the left :laugh:
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
So you agree we cant just pack up and go home. The question then becomes...lets say we set a deadline. 6 months, 12 months, whatever. What makes us so arrogant to think the region will be stabalized in that time frame? I think thats where people miss the point of having no timeline. It has nothing to do with a mindless war so much as it has to do with understanding there is no way to predict human behavior. Sure its nice when the Dems try and pass feel good legislation for a pull out, but who the hell knows what kind of shape we would leave the region in? You people who demand an immediate pullout are so shortsighted and ignorant. Thank God your vote for president doesnt count.
That was my point entirely...Democrats are talking withdrawal because polls suggest that the American public want our troops home, and because it allow them to continue their offensive against the Bush Administration...in doing so, they are apparently paying no attention to military strategy or long term considerations...their focus remains on claiming the Presidency in 2008.

Yes, I understand. And you bring up a very good point about public opinion. Given the public's understanding of our government, much less war, who cares what the public thinks? The public's view on anything changes faster than most politician's.