Bush: won't criticize Obama, 'deserves my silence'

TallBill

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CALGARY, Alberta (AP) ? Former President George W. Bush said on Tuesday that he won't criticize Barack Obama because the new U.S. president "deserves my silence," and said he plans to write a book about the 12 toughest decisions he made in office.

Bush declined to critique the Obama administration in his first speech since leaving office in January. Former Vice President Dick Cheney has said that Obama's decisions threatened America's safety.

"I'm not going to spend my time criticizing him. There are plenty of critics in the arena," Bush said. "He deserves my silence."

Bush said he wants Obama to succeed and said it's important that he has that support. Talk-show host Rush Limbaugh has said he hoped Obama would fail.

"I love my country a lot more than I love politics," Bush said. "I think it is essential that he be helped in office."

The invitation-only event titled a "Conversation with George W. Bush" attracted close to 2,000 guests who paid $3,100 per table. Bush received two standing ovations from the predominantly business crowd.

About 200 protested outside the event; four of them were arrested. Some protesters threw shoes at an effigy of Bush, a reference to the Iraqi journalist who tossed his shoes at the former president during a December news conference in Baghdad.

"He shouldn't be able to go anywhere in the world and just present himself as a private citizen," protest organizer Peggy Askin said. "We do not have any use for bringing war criminals into this country. It's an affront."

While Bush is unpopular in Canada, he is less so in oil-rich Alberta, the country's most conservative province and one sometimes called the Texas of the north.

"This is my maiden voyage. My first speech since I was the president of the United States and I couldn't think of a better place to give it than Calgary, Canada," Bush said.

The event's organizers declined to say how much Bush was paid to speak at the gathering.
Bush said that he doesn't know what he will do in the long term but that he will write a book that will ask people to consider what they would do if they had to protect the United States as president.

He said it will be fun to write and that "it's going to be (about) the 12 toughest decisions I had to make."

"I'm going to put people in my place, so when the history of this administration is written at least there's an authoritarian voice saying exactly what happened," Bush said.

"I want people to understand what it was like to sit in the Oval Office and have them come in and say we have captured Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, the alleged killer of a guy named Danny Pearl because he was simply Jewish, and we think we have information on further attacks on the United States," Bush said.
Bush didn't specify what the 12 hardest decisions were but said Iraq is better off without Saddam Hussein in power.

Bush was also full of jokes during his appearance. He joked that he would do more speeches to pay for his new house in Dallas.

"I actually paid for a house last fall. I think I'm the only American to have bought a house in the fall of 2008," he quipped.

He also said his mother is doing well. Barbara Bush was released from a Houston hospital Friday, nine days after undergoing heart surgery. "Clearly he can't live without her," Bush said of his father and former President George H.W. Bush.

Bush seemed to enjoy himself even though the event started later than expected because of tight security. "I'll sit here all day," Bush said during a question-and-answer session. "I'm flattered people even want to hear me in the first place."

I know a lot of you guys don't like Bush, but it's still a classy show of respect. His political career is over, and maybe he's done being a politician. After those 8 years, I know that I'd just be ready to sit back and relax.
 

SAWYER

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That is one of the things I do like about Bush, he is classy
*awaits harvey meltdown tantrum*
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: loki8481
it's pretty much standard policy for the ex presidents

I know, but doesn't mean that you have to adhere. Cheney is off his rocker (as he always was).
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: loki8481
it's pretty much standard policy for the ex presidents

Yep, few presidents want to risk looking small by criticizing their successor.
 

irwincur

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Standard policy for Rep presidents. But Carter and Clinton have been given free passes. Clinton less, but Carter is the worst at this. For decades, it was an unwritten rule that ex-presidents stay out of current politics. And it was obeyed.

UNTIL CARTER. This loud mouth worthless POS president has commented on everyone since Reagan. Even going as far as supplanting himself into internation negitiations - acting as a broker for the US. Shit, he even bitched about Clinton.

I would expect Bush to stay out of the mix, much like his father. It is not the job of an ex-president to tell the current holder what to do. Just a bit of respect.
 

frostedflakes

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:thumbsup:

I've always thought Bush was a decent guy. Some of the other people in his administration, though...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Standard policy for Rep presidents. But Carter and Clinton have been given free passes. Clinton less, but Carter is the worst at this. For decades, it was an unwritten rule that ex-presidents stay out of current politics. And it was obeyed.

UNTIL CARTER. This loud mouth worthless POS president has commented on everyone since Reagan. Even going as far as supplanting himself into internation negitiations - acting as a broker for the US. Shit, he even bitched about Clinton.

I would expect Bush to stay out of the mix, much like his father. It is not the job of an ex-president to tell the current holder what to do. Just a bit of respect.

Carter was right to criticize.
 

jpeyton

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I'm laughing at the idea that Bush is qualified to hand out criticism to anyone. Anyone.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Hacp
+1

Bush kept us safe from terrorism.

That incident in New York City on September 11, 2001 says otherwise.
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: loki8481
it's pretty much standard policy for the ex presidents

I know, but doesn't mean that you have to adhere. Cheney is off his rocker (as he always was).

True and true. It is standard, but it's not like it's a law or anything. I give Bush credit for not being a jackass like Cheney.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Bush kept us safe from terrorism.
Except he presided over the biggest terrorist attack in US history.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm laughing at the idea that Bush is qualified to hand out criticism to anyone. Anyone.

I'm sure he knows enough to criticize other people in his areas of expertise.

cutting lines of coke and cheerleading, for example.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: loki8481
it's pretty much standard policy for the ex presidents

Yep, few presidents want to risk looking small by criticizing their successor.

especially if they are already small,,,,
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Standard policy for Rep presidents. But Carter and Clinton have been given free passes. Clinton less, but Carter is the worst at this. For decades, it was an unwritten rule that ex-presidents stay out of current politics. And it was obeyed.

UNTIL CARTER. This loud mouth worthless POS president has commented on everyone since Reagan. Even going as far as supplanting himself into internation negitiations - acting as a broker for the US. Shit, he even bitched about Clinton.

I would expect Bush to stay out of the mix, much like his father. It is not the job of an ex-president to tell the current holder what to do. Just a bit of respect.

actually quite a few presidents have stayed very active in politics. taft was a chief justice in the supreme court and JQA served in the house for ~20 years. carter has had off and on diplomatic roles. Hoover i think was active politically as well. Point is, not every president can pull an wilson/fdr/jfk/reagan etc and leave office incapacitated or dead.

I can't really blame a president for coming out and criticizing another when they are monumentally fucking up like the bush admin was during the middle of his terms.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Carter was right to criticize.

Carter was and is a MORON.

carter was probably in the top 1/2 of presidents since johnson. pretty low standard though, when clinton and reagan are the standard of excellence, although reagan doesn't deserve much of the credit that people give him.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Carter was right to criticize.

Carter was and is a MORON.

Amazing how that comment boomerangs on to you.

Presidents are right to have a high bar for their commentary to get involved in current politics - and they're right to do so for situations that warrant it.

It's their patriotic duty to speak out when especially bad things need to be recognized - and that was the case with George W. Bush. It puts principle over politics.

You don't want to see the former President just getting involved in daily petty issues, but sometimes the nation looks to former presidents for leadership when it's lacking.

President Eisehnower told JFK during the transition that if JFK recognized mainlaind China, he would publically condemn him (ironic, since his VP Nixon did it later).

It hasn't been that much of an issue for most Democratic presidents before Carter for a while - LBJ was friendly with Nixon and practically favored him in the election over his own VP, so not much criticism there; Truman was positive enough about Eisenhower that he'd offered to run *as Eisenhower's VP* in 1952. Other than that, you pretty much need to go back to the 19th century for former democratic presidents.

Ford didn't comment because he just didn't seem to care much, happy to play golf; Nixon commented quite a bit, as did Hoover, if I recall correctly.

This issue does provide a useful example, though, of how right-wing propaganda works.

David Hume is a right-wing commentator, and he takes advantage of righties' ignorance to say that Bush 41 did not criticize his successor, like Clinton did.

Of course, in my view, there is an issue, as I said above, of when the president does terrible things needing criticism - but the other point here is that Hume is lying.

It's a neat little story - there go those dirty democrats, not like Republicans - but that's an example why Media Matters is useful, debunking the lies with the facts:

On the September 19 edition of Fox News' Special Report, host Brit Hume claimed that President Clinton, in a recent interview on ABC's This Week, did something that President George H.W. Bush "did not do, and that is criticize the sitting president and his administration." But contrary to Hume's assertion, Bush repeatedly criticized Clinton administration policies while Clinton was in office:

In an appearance at a San Antonio grade school on October 13, 1993, Bush expressed concern that the humanitarian mission to Somalia that he had launched nearly a year earlier was being "messed up" by the Clinton administration. "If you're going to put somebody else's son or daughter into harm's way, into battle, you've got to know the answer to three questions," Bush told the students. He said the president has to know what the mission is, "how they are going to do it," and "how they're going to get out of there." Several news reports noted that Bush's comments appeared to violate his earlier pledge not to publicly criticize Clinton during his first year in office. [The New York Times, 10/14/93; The Boston Globe, 10/23/93]
In an interview published in the February 1994 issue of Washingtonian magazine, Bush criticized the Clinton administration's purported lack of a "general strategy" in the foreign policy arena and the "start-and-stop" failures it had exhibited. Bush pointed to the Clinton administration's handling of the situation in Haiti as an example and also criticized Clinton for his policy toward Bosnia:
The specific point of difference I'd make with the current administration, however, is that when you send a US ship loaded with military personnel to go ashore, you don't say, "They're going ashore" unless you mean it. And you don't get turned back by a group of thugs standing on the dock.

What that does -- starting and stopping -- is weaken the image of the United States as a strong, resolute leader. It was devastating, sent a horrible signal, when that troop ship was turned back -- a signal not just to Latin America, but to Europe and elsewhere. Where I find most fault in the Clinton foreign policy, the area where I find room for criticism, is this pattern of start-and-stop, start-and-stop.

[...]

The Clinton administration, you'll remember, began by attacking my administration and the Europeans for being weak and rewarding aggression, and they vowed to get tough. But a few months later, they were essentially where we were. They backed away from their bluster, but not without sending the unfortunate impression of a weak and inconsistent US leadership to the world.

In a March 8, 1994, speech in Indian Wells, California, Bush repeated his criticism of Clinton's actions toward Haiti. According to a Riverside Press Enterprise article published the next day, Bush claimed "he did not want to be a carping critic, but said President Clinton must be more consistent in carrying out foreign policy. Bush criticized the president in particular for sending a shipload of troops to Haiti last year and then ordering them home when 'thugs' threatened them from the shore."
On April 8, 1994, Bush gave a lecture at Carl Albert State College in Poteau, Oklahoma, during which he criticized Clinton's proposed health care reform legislation. "This may sound partisan," he told the audience, "but I don't believe it will pass and I don't believe it should pass." [Associated Press, 4/8/94]
During a July 26, 1996, news conference with Bob Dole, then the Republican nominee for president, Bush "criticized Clinton for boasting of current economic stability," according to a Kansas City Star article published the following day. Bush argued that "he handed Clinton an economy that grew at about 5 percent in 1993." "That was not recession," he told reporters.
While campaigning with Dole days before the 1996 presidential election, Bush suggested that Clinton had compromised the "integrity of the White House. "What matters to me now is the integrity of the White House," he said. "I believe in duty, honor, country," he continued. "I believe in service. I believe in keeping the White House above partisan politics, away from these puny, terrible disputes we're seeing." [Chicago Tribune, 11/1/96]
In a letter released on April 23, 1998, Bush "criticized the White House and its allies for their continuing public campaign to criticize [independent counsel Kenneth] Starr and undermine his investigation," according to a New York Times article published that day. In the letter, Bush professed to hold Starr -- who at the time was investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair -- "in high regard."
From the September 19 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume:

HUME: Former President Bill Clinton has now done something his predecessor, the first President George Bush, did not do, and that is criticize the sitting president and his administration.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: irwincur
Standard policy for Rep presidents. But Carter and Clinton have been given free passes. Clinton less, but Carter is the worst at this. For decades, it was an unwritten rule that ex-presidents stay out of current politics. And it was obeyed.

UNTIL CARTER. This loud mouth worthless POS president has commented on everyone since Reagan. Even going as far as supplanting himself into internation negitiations - acting as a broker for the US. Shit, he even bitched about Clinton.

I would expect Bush to stay out of the mix, much like his father. It is not the job of an ex-president to tell the current holder what to do. Just a bit of respect.

Hahaha, how full of shit are you? Ex-presidents criticize current presidents all the time. Bush I attacked Clinton repeatedly over his foreign policy, and Eisenhower shit all over Kennedy. These are only two examples out of many... many. Carter was not unique, and this whole 'a bit of respect' thing is a flat out denial of history.