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Bush wants 2.9 trillion spending request

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nullzero

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" Bush set to request $2.9 trillion from Congress Monday
? Money will pay for Iraq and make up for cuts to 141 government programs
? Democrats highly critical of his budget proposals
? The federal deficit hit an all-time high under Bush of $413 billion in 2004"

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/04/bush.budget.ap/index.html

I think Bush has gone insane... 2.9 trillion sounds like its enough money to fund the War in Iraq for 2 more years and bomb the crap out of Iran... Heck its enough money to fund the start of WW3.
 
Our nation is already under obligations it cannot repay. The only questions is if it's going to default soft (i.e. the rich keep most of their assests, and the middle class is impoverished), or hard (some of the rich will also suffer). The only reason we're still afloat is that we'll drag all our debtors down and no one dares present the bills.
 
I think the ideas about medicare sound good, at least on paper, they probably suck in reality, though. Everything else sounds like crap to me. Also, does the defense budget include the money for Iraq? 480Billion is a lot of money if that doesn't even include the 170 Billion going to fund Iraq.

EDIT: Anyone got a link showing the budget in constant dollars? IE adjusted for inflation.
 
$2.9trillion is a lot of dough, but he's not really asking for an outlandish increase(compared to previous years). How much did he ask for last year? I'll guess, $2.6--2.7 trillionish.
 
$2.0 trillion was the 2002 budget amount he asked for... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

$2.8 trillion was the 2007 budget he asked for...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

And now basically 3 trillion is the 2008 budget he wants to ask for...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/04/bush.budget.ap/index.html

How the hell do you get from 2 billion to 3 billion in 6 years? Thats a 50% gain from the original 2001 budget and an average Year to Year gain close to 8%. Before people say 9/11 and War in Iraq please remind yourselfs that most of the funding goes under the radar due to the way he funds it "emergency war funding" it cooks the books and hides the accounting for the amount of debt he is using. I thought Bush was a republican lean and mean on the budget.... He has spent and wasted the most money of any President in our nations history.

Lets compare to Clinton...

1995 1.52 trillion http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N4/budget.04w.html
to
2001 1.8 trillion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

Under 20% total increase! Year to Year increase close to 3%. Supposely Clinton spent tons of money on social programs, welfare, healthcare etc....

Just wait till the Baby Boomers kick in, it will be the forclosure of America. Its like a real estate ARM loan resetting!
 
$300 billion of this budget is for the iraq and afghanistan wars through 2009. $100 billion for 2007, $150 billion for 2008 and $50 billion for 2009. Still, the spending is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be toned down. Check that, it needs to be more than toned down, it needs to be cut significantly.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
$300 billion of this budget is for the iraq and afghanistan wars through 2009. $100 billion for 2007, $150 billion for 2008 and $50 billion for 2009. Still, the spending is absolutely ridiculous and needs to be toned down. Check that, it needs to be more than toned down, it needs to be cut significantly.
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Seems more like a 300 billion dollar slush fund.
 
Originally posted by: nullzero
Topic Title: Bush wants 2.9 trillion spending request
Topic Summary: Has Bush gone crazy? He wants to bury our nation in debt.
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That's just the Republicans way, just look at his supporters on here, they love spending the average peon citizens money.

Afterall the rich don't have to pay for it with the cuts they got from Bush.
 
Originally posted by: nullzeroI thought Bush was a republican lean and mean on the budget....
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sorry but those kind of people are on the endangered species list. Everyone and their grandmother in Politics nowadays only know the word spend. They realized how easy it was to spend other people's money especially when those people who provide the money are briandead couch potatoes.

If only a significant portion of our population had balls like the colonists
 
Heh. So much for "smaller government" Republicanism. And that "stay at home" foreign policy.

What the electorate fails to realize is that advocating "bigger military" and "smaller govt" together in the same sentence generally creates an oxymoron... but the Bush Admin ain't skeered, they know that both are emotional touchpoints with their well indoctrinated following...

They'll need that big military to protect wealth and privilege, once the effects of their looting of the treasury and the economy come home to roost... along with the extensive surveillance and security apparatus they're building.

Governmental debt is the instrument chosen to destroy democracy and the middle class. The coming financial crunch isn't an accident. Believing that is believing that bankers, billionaires, and rightwing economists are fiscal incompetents. They're not, at all- they see the third world distribution of wealth and income as natural, and entirely desirable, and are working towards that end. Owning the govt makes that possible.

It all depends on fearmongering, short-sighted greed and anti-tax sentiment among the electorate. Balancing the budget on the basis of cuts alone is impossible, given their penchant for spending, particularly on the Military, and their rhetoric makes raising taxes impossible. It's a basic catch-22, leading precisely where they want it to go. Who owns the Debt? Answer that question, and you'll know who's setting themselves up to own the govt... and to dictate policy on every level. Democracy won't really matter, when the choices are entirely limited...

 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: nullzeroI thought Bush was a republican lean and mean on the budget....
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sorry but those kind of people are on the endangered species list. Everyone and their grandmother in Politics nowadays only know the word spend. They realized how easy it was to spend other people's money especially when those people who provide the money are briandead couch potatoes.

If only a significant portion of our population had balls like the colonists
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Right - the citizens are supposed to go shooting the politicians now as your answer?

This is why democracy is in danger: the people have the power now to fix a lot of this, by voting, and they don't. As the very powerful groups who have taken over the political system begin to encounter more resistance, at some point, they may need to replace "democracy where the people supposedly have a choice, but the powerful groups really set the policies by having their money dominate the election process", with out and out one-party government, the sort some righties say we have now, an exaggeration.

The people have allowed themselves to let the system get corrupt, to where the powerful interests leave the people a purported right to choose their government, but actually, the elections are 'rigged' by ensuring that the amount of money needed to get elected ensures that the only people who get the big donations from the powerful interests are on the ballot. Their main function is to say whatever folksy nonsense works with the public, and then let the powerful interests have what they want.

Currently, I see that as mostly a republican problem; there's danger of the powerful groups gaining power wih democrats as well, which would be a disaster.

Consider a couple examples - as Jim Hightower reports:

- The GOP sending a letter to a drug company asking for a $250,000 donation, enclosing a copy of the GOP health-care proposal asking for any changes they'd like.

- Telecommunications company Global Crossing donating $100,000 to the GOP and telling them that if a merger they want is approved, that'll go to $250,000.

The GOP congress approved the merger and the Republican Party sent a letter to them asking for the "additional upgrade".

As Jim wrote, "This corporate money is not buying "good government" and it's not buying "access" - it's buying corruption."

He suggests if you want to take action, call Public Campaign at 202-293-0222.
 
Can we make it a law that all future persons running for the office of President must take and pass with B at least one college level economics class? Then when they opt to run they must be tested to see if they retained the knowledge and if they don't pass they have to take the course again.
 
Bush's plan screw up the nation beyond repair before his term ends... That way if the democrats win presidential election it will be a bitch for them to fix it. Just pass it down to the sucessor and dont worry about it a bit!
 
Originally posted by: nullzero
Bush's plan screw up the nation beyond repair before his term ends... That way if the democrats win presidential election it will be a bitch for them to fix it. Just pass it down to the sucessor and dont worry about it a bit!
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The democrats have control of congress and they can change the budget to whatever they want to, you can blame them for this years budget if it gets passed.
 
If they dont pass it they are going to be called unpatriotic for not supporting the troops with funding they need.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Neo-con's = big govt.
Bigger govt == less freedom.
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It's true, and only an uprising will ever shrink government.

Our political system gives us a choice between socialists (tax and spend) and neo-cons (cut tax and spend). However, there?s still the deficit to resolve and eventually one must stop and cut spending, or raise taxes regardless of who we?ve elected. Bush and Congress have guaranteed taxes will be raised through their unprecedented spending spree.

Cutting taxes is nice and all, it gives you a 50/50 chance of doing the right thing. Yet in the end the right thing must be done and cuts must be made, or else all you?re doing is delaying the inevitable raise in taxes. This is where we stand now, and I cannot recall a time when this country has ever done the right thing and cut spending.
 
because Bush is the least conservative of any Republican I have ever seen.

The real problem is that he had big budgets that essentially bought out the opposition to what he wanted to spend on... it will be interesting to see if the democrats still can be bought by a Republican president
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nullzero
Topic Title: Bush wants 2.9 trillion spending request
Topic Summary: Has Bush gone crazy? He wants to bury our nation in debt.
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That's just the Republicans way, just look at his supporters on here, they love spending the average peon citizens money.

Afterall the rich don't have to pay for it with the cuts they got from Bush.
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Said the man with the yacht...
 
Just so long as he keeps slashing health care and social programs to pay for this war, I have no problem with him having a blank check. You libbies need to learn how responsible government really works!

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Originally posted by: nullzero
If they dont pass it they are going to be called unpatriotic for not supporting the troops with funding they need.
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What the heck are you talking about? Military spending is only 19% of the budget 😕 entitlements make up more than that....
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: nullzero
Topic Title: Bush wants 2.9 trillion spending request
Topic Summary: Has Bush gone crazy? He wants to bury our nation in debt.
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That's just the Republicans way, just look at his supporters on here, they love spending the average peon citizens money.

Afterall the rich don't have to pay for it with the cuts they got from Bush.
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Said the man with the yacht...
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Ah but you Assume I paid a Yacht price tag eh?

Wrong, it's a 1978 I fixed up and currently converting the engines to run on propane.

Hey I live on a large lake.
 
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