Bush uses Veterans Day to accuse his critics of harming the troops.

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: BD2003
I directly quoted it for you. Ill do it again.

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Youre implying that it is the division itself that is hurting the country. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

No, I never said the division itself was hurting the country (though as it becomes more divided it certainly doesn't help). What I said was that those who are polarizing the public with dubious intentions are contributing (in an unhealthy way) to this so-called division and that our enemy loves to see all this divisivness and use it to their advantage.

I've never said division in and of itself is a bad thing. A healthy Democracy depends on it, in fact. If everyone had the same POV it would crumble in a heartbeat.

What I've said (repeatedly) is that there is a line between healthy debate and division relating to Democracy and those like Kennedy and Durbin who go beyond that line, providing aid and comfort to those looking to hang us from a bridge.

What then, is the solution my friend, if people like me are the problem? Should we just stand behind the president NO MATTER WHAT, just so the enemy can see our iron clad resolve?

I've never said that. I've never even implied that.

Do you have something against showing the enemy our iron-clad resolve? Like it is a bad thing?

Because when I saw that speech today, I was truely sickened. I realized most of what he was saying could just as equally been said about himself.

We'll just have to agree to disagree completely on that.

 

[BD2003]

No, I never said the division itself was hurting the country (though as it becomes more divided it certainly doesn't help). What I said was that those who are polarizing the public with dubious intentions are contributing (in an unhealthy way) to this so-called division and that our enemy loves to see all this divisivness and use it to their advantage.

I've never said division in and of itself is a bad thing. A healthy Democracy depends on it, in fact. If everyone had the same POV it would crumble in a heartbeat.

What I've said (repeatedly) is that there is a line between healthy debate and division relating to Democracy and those like Kennedy and Durbin who go beyond that line, providing aid and comfort to those looking to hang us from a bridge.

Your statement was ambigious then, because I agree with you on this.

But I dont think anyone is "polarizing the public with dubious intentions." People just call a duck a duck, and an idiot an idiot. I see more and more stupid decisions and unethical behavior as time goes by. The first term was bad enough, now its getting ridiculous. There is a reason why people are so polarized over bush, and its *NOT* cause theres someone brainwashing them to do so. Im sure theres an equal amount of people who will follow like cattle on both sides. The election was ridiculously close even though bush claims he had a "mandate" from the people. With his approval ratings in the shitter now, I think its finally coming full circle.

I've never said that. I've never even implied that.

Do you have something against showing the enemy our iron-clad resolve? Like it is a bad thing?

I have nothing against showing my iron clad resolve when I actually think its something worth standing behind. I support the troops, but that doesnt mean I support the war. If I had the power, I would undo the entire war, not because it went bad, but because it was a bad idea in the first place. It was obvious back then, and now its *painfully* obvious. And conservatives can spin that how they wish, but I'm not going to pretend as if Im behind the president when Im about as far from it as I could possibly be.

Because when I saw that speech today, I was truely sickened. I realized most of what he was saying could just as equally been said about himself.

We'll just have to agree to disagree completely on that.

I'm sure we will. I wish I had a transcript. I puked a little in my mouth when he was speaking, talking stuff like "the enemy wants you to be afraid". Bush is the biggest fear-mongerer there is. He doesnt need to talk about iraq on veterans day for crying out loud. But he will take any opportunity he can to inject a little more fear into the american people instead of actually protecting us, and this time, it was just shameless.

 

[smack Down]

Bush should stop whining about how hard it is to get support for a war he lied about.

 

[her209]

Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: her209
Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

The Blame America First crowd claims another member.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: her209
Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

The Blame America First crowd claims another member.

Sounds like it is the blame bush crowd. If the war in Iraq isn't bush's fult whoses is it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Sounds like it is the blame bush crowd. If the war in Iraq isn't bush's fult whoses is it.

A brutal dictator named Saddam Hussein.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: her209
Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

The Blame America First crowd claims another member.

"Bring 'em on!"

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Pabster


Rather, they are engaging in a calculated effort to demoralize our troops, undermine our efforts on the war on terror, and provide aid and comfort to those who wish us nothing but harm.

That is some grade a jumbo sized tinfoil there man, thats like me spouting off obscure theorys of how bush sr. killed JFK, is this the anti-illuminati at work? let us in on the scoop pabster...

I am sure you could sell this one to art bell even! hmm the opposite of neocon skull and bones...what would that be? bones and skull! eureka!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: her209
Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

The Blame America First crowd claims another member.

Wrong.

I am a patriotic American. I served proudly in a combat zone in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. Operation Iraqi Freedom is the worst-thought-out, most Macchivellian major military conflict in American history, and there's simply no question it has provided more motivation than any event in history (at least American history) for young Muslims to join terrorist organizations. I don't think there's any serious argument that this isn't the case.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: her209
Bush must have missed the part where they tell him that he and this war is the biggest recruitment tool to terrorism.

The Blame America First crowd claims another member.

How the hell is that blaming America first? He's blaming Bush for a decision he made, not "America."

If you don't think the Iraq war has created more terrorists than it has killed, you are misinformed.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: smack Down
Sounds like it is the blame bush crowd. If the war in Iraq isn't bush's fult whoses is it.

A brutal dictator named Saddam Hussein.

Conveniently, history ends just after America decided Saddam was the way to go in Iraq.

There's a funny thing about revolutions; they don't happen by invasion.

 

[halik]

Disidents need to be silenced? What was the name of the last guy that try to pull that one?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Pabster
Makes perfect sense.

The enemy thrives on people like yourself.

People like you are the enemy,

i think people like you fit that profile more.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051111/ap_...w_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
President Bush, in the most forceful defense yet of his Iraq war policy, accused critics Friday of trying to rewrite history and charged that they're undercutting America's forces on the front lines.

Is it any wonder half the country has grown to hate this man? Using Veterans day to smear his critics? His logic being that if you want to support the troops you must not criticize him?
Well, you moron, I support our troops MORE than you do. I know this because if I followed your thinking we would never end any war since their would be no opposition to it. The last refuge of the incompetent is hoisting the flag and saying your critics are unpatriotic. You sir, are clearly incompetent.

I would also like to take this opportunity to ask the Vice President how he has the nerve to show up on Veterans day to salute the troops risking their lives. Dick don't you remember what you said when asked why you sought and obtained a record number of deferments during VietNam? You said, "I had other things to do". Shame on you. Let heroes have their day.

way to go George. it's been too long for you to keep quiet about the baseless accusations Bush bashers spew out.
i hope this sets some of them straight....although some are hopeless.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Pabster
Makes perfect sense.

The enemy thrives on people like yourself.

People like you are the enemy,

i think people like you fit that profile more.

So dissent is now considered damaging to a free society... that's an interesting position to hold.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

way to go George. it's been too long for you to keep quiet about the baseless accusations Bush bashers spew out.
i hope this sets some of them straight....although some are hopeless.

What "baseless accusations" are you alluding to? Specifically, President Bush's speech was oriented toward the proposition that war protestors are hurting the war effort. How does that relate to "baseless accusations"?

I'm a veteran - I take it you're not. Do you think I shouldn't be free to speak my mind about the war?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

way to go George. it's been too long for you to keep quiet about the baseless accusations Bush bashers spew out.
i hope this sets some of them straight....although some are hopeless.

What "baseless accusations" are you alluding to? Specifically, President Bush's speech was oriented toward the proposition that war protestors are hurting the war effort. How does that relate to "baseless accusations"?

I'm a veteran - I take it you're not. Do you think I shouldn't be free to speak my mind about the war?

first, i'd like to thank you for going to war for our country.

secondly i think Bush addressed a couple of misconceptions that i have seen stated many times by his adversaries
1. Bush is to blame for getting us into the war in Iraq
2. Bush knew all along that there were no WMD in Iraq
quote of Bush speech: "They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein. They know the United Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing his development and possession of weapons of mass destruction. And many of these critics supported my opponent during the last election, who explained his position to support the resolution in the Congress this way: "When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security." That's why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."


lastly, i take offense to saying i would like to censor your remarks about the war. i have alluded to no such thing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

first, i'd like to thank you for going to war for our country.

secondly i think Bush addressed a couple of misconceptions that i have seen stated many times by his adversaries
1. Bush is to blame for getting us into the war in Iraq

Thank you for setting the bar so high in my daily Dumbest Statement of the Day contest!

If you seriously believe President Bush is not to blame for taking us to war against Iraq, you might want to check your house for carbon monoxide leaks (assuming you're not implying that VP Cheney, SecDef Rumsfeld, and particularly then-Deputy SecDef Wolfowitz are in fact to blame - then you might really have something . . . ).

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

first, i'd like to thank you for going to war for our country.

secondly i think Bush addressed a couple of misconceptions that i have seen stated many times by his adversaries
1. Bush is to blame for getting us into the war in Iraq

Thank you for setting the bar so high in my daily Dumbest Statement of the Day contest!

If you seriously believe President Bush is not to blame for taking us to war against Iraq, you might want to check your house for carbon monoxide leaks.

resorting to condescending remarks doesn't support your position. it only reinforces your arrogance and self-loathing.

the President is NOT alone in blame, you are a FUD spreader.
"That's why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

resorting to condescending remarks doesn't support your position. it only reinforces your arrogance and self-loathing.

the President is NOT alone in blame, you are a FUD spreader.
"That's why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

Congress didn't initiate that process - it was done by the White House. Moreover, Congress didn't vote to go to war, they voted to authorize the use of force if SH did not comply with our demands. It was stupid, but they did it. President Bush was the one who decided to go to war.

I never said the President was alone in the blame. That being said, why do you use the word "blame" if you think the war is a good idea? Shouldn't you be referring to "credit"?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

resorting to condescending remarks doesn't support your position. it only reinforces your arrogance and self-loathing.

the President is NOT alone in blame, you are a FUD spreader.
"That's why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate -- who had access to the same intelligence -- voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power."

Congress didn't initiate that process - it was done by the White House. Moreover, Congress didn't vote to go to war, they voted to authorize the use of force if SH did not comply with our demands. It was stupid, but they did it. President Bush was the one who decided to go to war.

I never said the President was alone in the blame. That being said, why do you use the word "blame" if you think the war is a good idea? Shouldn't you be referring to "credit"?

eh, i'm not in the mood to argue with you Don.
plus nothing i say will satisfy you.

and if i do present a good point you will throw an insult back at me.
typical of your profession.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

eh, i'm not in the mood to argue with you Don.
plus nothing i say will satisfy you.

and if i do present a good point you will throw an insult back at me.
typical of your profession.

Now you're the one being insulting.

I made a couple of factual points, with no personal insults or commentary whatsoever. You can respond or not, but if you elect not to, it certainly suggests to me that you don't have a reasoned response. With that in mind, I reiterate:

Congress didn't initiate the process of undertaking war in Iraq - it was done by the White House. Moreover, Congress didn't vote to go to war, they voted to authorize the use of force if SH did not comply with our demands (which he substantially did). It was stupid, but they did it. President Bush was the one who decided to go to war.

I never said the President was alone in the blame. That being said, why do you use the word "blame" if you think the war is a good idea? Shouldn't you be referring to "credit"?

 

[Red Dawn]

The Right Wing likes to accuse those who criticize the government as being unpatriotic, well it would be unpatriotic not to criticize the government when it is wrong. Being Patriotic means supporting your country not it's government when it is wrong and many Americans believe that our government was wrong with this ill conceived and unnecessary war. BTW when I say government I mean both the Republicans and Democrats.

Bush reminds me so much of Richard Nixon, a paraniod asshole who claimed anybody who was against his policies were enemies of Americans. While Bush hasn't come out and said that some of his more assholish supporters have without the Dub asking them to cease and desist from doing so. Well if they can't stand honest criticism then their opinion means squat to me.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

eh, i'm not in the mood to argue with you Don.
plus nothing i say will satisfy you.

and if i do present a good point you will throw an insult back at me.
typical of your profession.

Now you're the one being insulting.

I made a couple of factual points, with no personal insults or commentary whatsoever. You can respond or not, but if you elect not to, it certainly suggests to me that you don't have a reasoned response. With that in mind, I reiterate:

Congress didn't initiate the process of undertaking war in Iraq - it was done by the White House. Moreover, Congress didn't vote to go to war, they voted to authorize the use of force if SH did not comply with our demands (which he substantially did). It was stupid, but they did it. President Bush was the one who decided to go to war.

I never said the President was alone in the blame. That being said, why do you use the word "blame" if you think the war is a good idea? Shouldn't you be referring to "credit"?

no personal insults or commentary whatsoever? christ Don, give it up.

Thank you for setting the bar so high in my daily Dumbest Statement of the Day contest!

If you seriously believe President Bush is not to blame for taking us to war against Iraq, you might want to check your house for carbon monoxide leaks.

that response was one big insult.