Bush to cut homeland security if reelected.
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Guess tax cuts and unjustified wars means our children's education and safety has to suffer.
Go Bush! Four more years....of TERROR!
Go Bush! Four more years....of TERROR!
hmmm...what about domestic programs and education....
oh yea, is the war on terror and public schools are surely terror training grounds!!!!!
time to trim the fat [hopefully a lot more than DOHS] and make existing agencies more efficient.
i can dream, cant i?
i can dream, cant i?
I say we get rid of all agencies and have true freedom in America: enforced anarchy. The government is only there to ensure that no countries take us over, and no domestic factions try to govern anybody. The only law of the land is that THERE IS NO LAW.
I know that...but the NCLB mandates that were left woefully underfunded will now apparently be cut even more!
Also, this could affect things like Federal grants and loans for those seeking to attend college.
Does anyone know what amount they are cutting from these programs? If they found fat, they should cut it. Whats wrong with that?
In regards to federal grants and loans for school... Whatever happened to making kids earn teh money for college? I did with the money I earned working as a bartender at Applebees and I never once had a student loan or a grant. I didn't spend all my money on booze and parties, I actually acted like a responsible adult.. hmmm... how dare we require that of our 18+ year old kids.
Even if Federal grants and loans were completely wiped, there are enough grants and scholarships out there if people would just get off their lazy butts and apply for them. "It's too much work" is what I usually hear when I recommend that. If it's too much work then you don't need the $$.
In regards to federal grants and loans for school... Whatever happened to making kids earn teh money for college? I did with the money I earned working as a bartender at Applebees and I never once had a student loan or a grant. I didn't spend all my money on booze and parties, I actually acted like a responsible adult.. hmmm... how dare we require that of our 18+ year old kids.
Even if Federal grants and loans were completely wiped, there are enough grants and scholarships out there if people would just get off their lazy butts and apply for them. "It's too much work" is what I usually hear when I recommend that. If it's too much work then you don't need the $$.
Hmm...minimum wage still at $5.25. Typical wages for college students in the $7-10/hr range. College tuition costs? Skyrocketing at several times the rate of inflation. Just how are kids supposed to cover tuition and $150/book costs on a $7.50/hr job?
The nutshell answer is: It isn't a "right" that they go to college. They work as many jobs as it takes. They don't take a full load if they can't afford it. They apply for scholarships. I guess I was one of the few who never embraced the "instant gratification" trend. I work for what I need and the only thing I have on credit is my house and my minivan.
In other countries... The children actually go to school to learn not party and they aren't being given money by the government to go....
As a parent of 3 children, I have already started the education funds for my 6, 3 and 1 year old. I hope that what I can afford to pay in will help them offset the stress of also working but I am not going to be able to save the entire amount for them. I might be able to cover 1/4 of the cost.
It shouldn't be the governments job to give people money that don't really want to work, it shouldn't be the governments job to give money to people to go to school because they ended up with 2 kids before they turned 20 and now can't afford it. Maybe they should have thought about that before having sex at 17 or 18... There is a reason people should be responsible for their own actions and "to prevent the government from having to be responsible for you financially" is #2 in my book. #1 is for personal pride.
In other countries... The children actually go to school to learn not party and they aren't being given money by the government to go....
As a parent of 3 children, I have already started the education funds for my 6, 3 and 1 year old. I hope that what I can afford to pay in will help them offset the stress of also working but I am not going to be able to save the entire amount for them. I might be able to cover 1/4 of the cost.
It shouldn't be the governments job to give people money that don't really want to work, it shouldn't be the governments job to give money to people to go to school because they ended up with 2 kids before they turned 20 and now can't afford it. Maybe they should have thought about that before having sex at 17 or 18... There is a reason people should be responsible for their own actions and "to prevent the government from having to be responsible for you financially" is #2 in my book. #1 is for personal pride.
Hmm...in other countries, kids go to college for, essentially, free.
Here, working even a part-time job puts added stress on a student trying to maintain full-time hours.
And, most kids go to school now to learn, not to party. That's a gross generalization you made there.
Instant Gratifacation? LOL...just because you had to bust yourself to do it doesn't mean everyone else should go through tose same troubles.
So now you assume that everyone who needs government grants has two kids before 20 and engage in premartial (unless you also assume they marry at age 17) sex?
You have no idea...you make it sound like college is one big party for those who don't pay their way through, and unless you tought it out by taking as many jobs as possible then you suck.
If we followed what you say then most people would take 7 years to graduate...not 4-5.
You are obviously one that wants to leech off of government programs. Go right ahead, that is your desire, not mine. I never mentioned once that all that take grants fit a steriotype but I can see where you implied that and I will concede the point to you. That is not what I inteded to get accross.
I stand by the my original comment that the Government should be expected to fund your education. You can fund it yourself. Learn some pride and work for your money. Don't expect anyone to pay your way.
"You suck" Oh you are such the conversationalist...
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Higher education is becoming a Necessity as important, if not more important, than a High School education. The US is already losing skilled Jobs to India and the Federal Government keeps stating that skills are becoming increasingly important. Is it wise to maintain the Status Quo?
It makes good financial sense for the government to pay for education for anyone who wants to pursue it. Compared to other govt expenditures, higher education spending is the smartest by far, because more educated people are more productive and can pay back the education spending with their taxes in 10 years, after which it's pure profit for the government.
sorry let me rephrase that:
you are basically saying if you can't take on as many jobs as possible then "you suck if you can't afford it"
not something i'd say
Who says I want to leech? If the government can support me now, they will be FAR better off when I graduate with my engineering degree and I enter the work force. there is more benefit to me studying than there is working at starbucks for 6.75 an hour
You had to work for your college education and I find that very admirable. I don't know if I could do that.
my point is that just because you had to "walk two miles in the snow everyday to get to school" doesn't mean that you should argue against the idea of the school bus
edit: oh and for the record, most of my college is paid by my father~~nice man he is (especially when he opens his entire pocket book because when it comes to education he doesn't hesitate to invest in it)
but at the same time i have work study to earn some cash and I use that to buy books and a cal grant (though I don't get much out of it)
Student Loans and Financial aid. The same thing college students have done the past several decades. To be honest, education could be alot more expensive. Most public universities are subsidized by state govts to the tune or 30-40% with a couple states upwards to 60%. Honestly a 29% jump is only a few hundred dollar jump. Tutition isnt a problem its housing and living expenses.
If you cant afford a private college even with all the private aid they give(upwards to $30k a year in some cases) then you dont get to go to a private college. The top state schools are good for most people.
Originally posted by: magomago
sorry let me rephrase that:
you are basically saying if you can't take on as many jobs as possible then "you suck if you can't afford it"
not something i'd say
Who says I want to leech? If the government can support me now, they will be FAR better off when I graduate with my engineering degree and I enter the work force. there is more benefit to me studying than there is working at starbucks for 6.75 an hour
You had to work for your college education and I find that very admirable. I don't know if I could do that.
my point is that just because you had to "walk two miles in the snow everyday to get to school" doesn't mean that you should argue against the idea of the school bus
edit: oh and for the record, most of my college is paid by my father~~nice man he is (especially when he opens his entire pocket book because when it comes to education he doesn't hesitate to invest in it)
but at the same time i have work study to earn some cash and I use that to buy books and a cal grant (though I don't get much out of it)
They are already helping most out. State schools are funded by the state from 30-60%, then you have student aid on top of that. And really its not the govt that would be paying for it, it would be everyone thats working.
Originally posted by: magomago
sorry let me rephrase that:
you are basically saying if you can't take on as many jobs as possible then "you suck if you can't afford it"
not something i'd say
Who says I want to leech? If the government can support me now, they will be FAR better off when I graduate with my engineering degree and I enter the work force. there is more benefit to me studying than there is working at starbucks for 6.75 an hour
You had to work for your college education and I find that very admirable. I don't know if I could do that.
my point is that just because you had to "walk two miles in the snow everyday to get to school" doesn't mean that you should argue against the idea of the school bus
edit: oh and for the record, most of my college is paid by my father~~nice man he is (especially when he opens his entire pocket book because when it comes to education he doesn't hesitate to invest in it)
but at the same time i have work study to earn some cash and I use that to buy books and a cal grant (though I don't get much out of it)
Anyone that wants to pursue a college education can, there IS PLENTY of money out there, unless you are middle/upper class white guy, then your options are alot less.
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