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Bush threatened to veto $87Bil bill for troops/Iraqi reconstruction ...

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DealMonkey

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So tell me again what the GOP talking points are on the $87Bil bill again?

Source: WashingtonPost.com

Kerry's vote last year against the administration's $87 billion proposal to fund troops in Iraq and pay for Iraqi reconstruction has also been the focus of Republican attacks. "My opponent and his running mate voted against this money for bullets, and fuel, and vehicles, and body armor," Bush said last night.*

Kerry actually supported all those things, but as part of a different version of the bill opposed by the administration. At the time, many Republicans were uncomfortable with the administration's plans and the White House had to threaten a veto against the congressional version to bring reluctant lawmakers in line.

In a floor statement explaining his vote, Kerry said he favored the $67 billion for the troops on the ground -- "I support our troops in Iraq and their mission" -- but faulted the administration's $20 billion request for reconstruction. He complained that administration "has only given us a set of goals and vague timetables, not a detailed plan."

Yesterday, the State Department said that only $1 billion of that money has been spent in the 11 months since the bill was passed.***
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and also:

Source: WashingtonPost.com

As Bush has often done, both speakers also condemned a vote Kerry cast against Bush's request for $87 billion for military and reconstruction spending in Iraq and Afghanistan. Cheney said Kerry "does not seem to understand the first obligation of a commander in chief -- and that is to support American troops in combat."

Kerry voted for an alternative version of the bill that would have funded some of the spending by raising taxes on incomes greater than $312,000. For his part, Bush had vowed to veto a version of the bill that passed that would have converted half of the Iraq rebuilding plan into a loan.**
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So let's review:

* Bush lied about Kerry's support of the bill because Kerry supported the spending, he simply supported an alternate version of the bill that the White House didn't like.

** After making this vote on this particular bill one of the centerpieces of the Bush-Cheney argument against Kerry, it's interesting to note that Bush threatened to VETO the package if he didn't get what he wanted. Hmmmm, playing politics with the money for the troops W?

*** After flogging Kerry over this particular bill, it turns out the administration has only spent $1Bil of the money since the bill was passed? Oh man, that must have really been some important funding if they needed to spend it so quickly? Saving it for a rainy day?

Discuss amongst yourselves. 🙂
 
The Republicans lie, that's what they do. I don't think they could win elections without misleading the weakminded of the country. It's too bad most people watch reality TV and don't pay attention to reality.
 
I think most people these days are so overworked and underpaid that they really don't care/have the time to find out what's going on by looking into it themselves. They just catch a sound byte or two and form an opinion.

Which sadly, is exactly where the Repugs want them.
 
agreed...

Repugs are just baseless cowards who are so unintelligent they don't have a hard time matching wits with the "average voter".🙁

Honestly have you ever heard the term intelectual conservative? But we have heard the term liberal intelectual.

What political party do you believe has the most brains? While repugs are thinking about what they are doing, democrats and liberals alike are thinking two or sometimes even three steps ahead; we are just that goddamn smart.

How many advances in society has been due to a conservative veiw or movement?

 
Most of the propoganda coming out of the White House over the past 3.5 years fails the most rudimentary fact check. It seems that the current administration has an aversion for either reality or facts or both.
 
Kerry has to talk about this because this will come up in the debates. I would say something like this when asked about the 87 billion vote.
It was the President who played politics with the 87 billion dollars because it was the President that killed the bi-partisan bill that I supported. The bipartisan version that I supported would have been fully paid for but the President killed it with his threats of veto. This borrow and spend president doesn't have a plan to stablize Iraq and get our troops home so he is attacking me for his failures. I have a plan ....
 
Bush couldn't even run a baseball team or a oil corporation correctly... why does anyone think he can run this country right... 🙂
 
Kerry voted against the bill
Bush signed the bill into law.

exactly how does this confuse you?

perhaps the rigors of posting on OT and the late hour have made you "inarticulate"
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry voted against the bill
Bush signed the bill into law.

exactly how does this confuse you?

perhaps the rigors of posting on OT and the late hour have made you "inarticulate"
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There is no confusion. Kerry wanted a different version of the bill and supported giving the $87 billion, but because a version he opposed came up he voted against it in hopes of getting the one he wanted passed.

Kerry's vote did not mean that he opposed supporting our troops, it meant he opposed doing it in that way.
 
Originally posted by: chrisms
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry voted against the bill
Bush signed the bill into law.

exactly how does this confuse you?

perhaps the rigors of posting on OT and the late hour have made you "inarticulate"
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There is no confusion. Kerry wanted a different version of the bill and supported giving the $87 billion, but because a version he opposed came up he voted against it in hopes of getting the one he wanted passed.

Kerry's vote did not mean that he opposed supporting our troops, it meant he opposed doing it in that way.
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The truth matters not to hs.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
The Republicans lie, that's what they do. I don't think they could win elections without misleading the weakminded of the country. It's too bad most people watch reality TV and don't pay attention to reality.
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The same can be said about dems.
 
Maybe so but there are far more Nascar dad types that that vote for Bush based on catch phrases and misinformation. They are too caught up in their own "Bush is a down home Christian man that is fightin for our rights" type mentality. Unfortunately this usually passes on to their children who then join the group of: I dont know much about politics but I am votin for George Dubya because hes the man! (with no plan)

OMG! Save us Jebus!
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry voted against the bill
Bush signed the bill into law.

exactly how does this confuse you?

perhaps the rigors of posting on OT and the late hour have made you "inarticulate"
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Perhaps the scarecrows give you nightmares and keep you up late at night?

":music: If I only had a heart....."
 
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Maybe so but there are far more Nascar dad types that that vote for Bush based on catch phrases and misinformation. They are too caught up in their own "Bush is a down home Christian man that is fightin for our rights" type mentality. Unfortunately this usually passes on to their children who then join the group of: I dont know much about politics but I am votin for George Dubya because hes the man! (with no plan)

OMG! Save us Jebus!
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Just listen to the call-ins on Washington Journal on C-SPAN each morning. The typical Bush supporter is either a redneck that loves a YEE HAW foreign policy or a Jesus-freak that thinks God wants Bush to win. I am not exaggerating.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Kerry voted against the bill
Bush signed the bill into law.

exactly how does this confuse you?

perhaps the rigors of posting on OT and the late hour have made you "inarticulate"
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Well, that was a half-hearted attempt at deflection there HS.

Kerry voted for the superior of the two bills. You know, the version that actually attempted to find a way to at least partially pay for the billions flowing into Iraq? Unlike Bush who threatened to veto the whole package unless it was a total give-away to the Iraqis. Mission accomplished: Iraq is now one of the biggest drain on our resources. One of the largest welfare states ever created. All those untold billions of OUR money going into a country where the morons who live there hate us and want to kill us every chance they get.

You must not be a true conservative HS as you seem prone to flushing money down the drain while running up huge deficits to pay for some military misadventure halfway around the planet.
 
It's funny, I don't see half the number of Bush fluffers I expected in here doing what they do best: fluffing. And then apologizing. And throwing in some spin for good measure. I hardly expected such bold charges leveled against the administration to go unchallenged.

Hmmmm...
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Maybe so but there are far more Nascar dad types that that vote for Bush based on catch phrases and misinformation. They are too caught up in their own "Bush is a down home Christian man that is fightin for our rights" type mentality. Unfortunately this usually passes on to their children who then join the group of: I dont know much about politics but I am votin for George Dubya because hes the man! (with no plan)

OMG! Save us Jebus!
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Just listen to the call-ins on Washington Journal on C-SPAN each morning. The typical Bush supporter is either a redneck that loves a YEE HAW foreign policy or a Jesus-freak that thinks God wants Bush to win. I am not exaggerating.
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I am an avid WJ watcher, and I must agree with Conjur.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's funny, I don't see half the number of Bush fluffers I expected in here doing what they do best: fluffing. And then apologizing. And throwing in some spin for good measure. I hardly expected such bold charges leveled against the administration to go unchallenged.

Hmmmm...
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Duh DM, as you can tell by the posts in here, Bush fluffers and supporters are a bunch of ignorant hayseeds or jesus freaks. Tone it down a notch or put it into a religous context and maybe we can understand it.

(that and with all the LMM (Liberal Mutual Massaging) going on - who can get a post in edgeways anyhow?) 😉

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's funny, I don't see half the number of Bush fluffers I expected in here doing what they do best: fluffing. And then apologizing. And throwing in some spin for good measure. I hardly expected such bold charges leveled against the administration to go unchallenged.

Hmmmm...
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Duh DM, as you can tell by the posts in here, Bush fluffers and supporters are a bunch of ignorant hayseeds or jesus freaks. Tone it down a notch or put it into a religous context and maybe we can understand it.

(that and with all the LMM (Liberal Mutual Massaging) going on - who can get a post in edgeways anyhow?) 😉
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Hey now! I never said any of that! In fact, I framed this thread as a specific debate and I fully expected to hear from all sides of the aisle.
 
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