Bush Signs Fetus Rights Legislation

Riprorin

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush invoked the case of pregnant murder victim Laci Peterson on Thursday as he signed legislation expanding legal rights of the unborn. "The suffering of two victims can never equal only one offense," Bush said..."As of today, the law of our nation will acknowledge the plain fact that crimes of violence against a pregnant woman often have two victims," Bush said. "Therefore, in those cases, there are two offenses to be punished."

Predictably, "Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Bush's presumptive opponent in this fall's election, voted against the bill."

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Zipp

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I saw this reported on ABC World News Tonight News with Jennings earlier and was wondering where Kerry stood on this but Peter decided not to report this. So for the hell of it,I flipped over to NBC Nightly News and there's Brian Williams,a few minutes later, doing the same report reguarding this new law Bush signed in and he didn't mention where Kerry stood on the issue either.

I went got on line and checked out both NBC's and ABC's websites and sure enough,both reports stated Kerry's position on the matter with MSNBC's stating it right in the headline...He did vote against it.

Now I'm not saying Kerry is right or wrong opposing this,to each his own but I wonder why the Main stream "TV" news wouldn't state what Kerry's vote was on this bill. I mean people should know where the Democrat Nominee stands on issue's like these.

I think I may know why they left out Kerry's stance on this issue though.....Business as usual ;)
 

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I certainly hope this new law does not interfere with a "womens" right to murder her own children.

On second thought this is actually the "ultimate" in a womens "right to choose" only she gets to have the kid murdered with complete autonomy....... everyone else goes to prison
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's not a fvcking kid. It's a fetus. Once it's born, then it's a kid.


Of course its a f*cking kid. a kid who gets murdered BEFORE its born..........

Fetus: unborn young
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's not a fvcking kid. It's a fetus. Once it's born, then it's a kid.


Of course its a f*cking kid. a kid who gets murdered BEFORE its born..........

Fetus: unborn young

yeah but there in lies the problem. How far back do you go? If you kill a women right now, you could be killing 2 people because she could've had kid at some point.

Of course its a f*cking kid. a kid who hasnt been conceived yet



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by the way i hate how some individuals feel the need to conform everyone into the bounderies of their religion. Rather selfish imo
 

Riprorin

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EDIT:

by the way i hate how some individuals feel the need to conform everyone into the bounderies of their religion. Rather selfish imo

So you don't think that there are non-religious people who support fetal rights?

Since this thread has nothing to do with religion, why did you feel the need to interject it?

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Many non-religious people are for fetal rights:

A Secular Case Against Abortion

Reciprocal Links to Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League

Why Should Atheists Be Pro-Life?
 

halik

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So you don't that there non-religious people who support fetal rights?
...uhh what?


Since this thread has nothing to do with religion, why did you feel the need to interject it?

Of course its a f*cking kid. a kid who gets murdered BEFORE its born..........

Fetus: unborn young

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Duty and Honor
God and Country

im willing to bet that guy is severly christian
 

Zephyr106

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im willing to bed that guy is severly christian

I don't know. I'm thinking cultist. He has demonstrated considerable hatred for alot of Christians on these forums.

Zephyr
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
im willing to bed that guy is severly christian

I don't know. I'm thinking cultist. He has demonstrated considerable hatred for alot of Christians on these forums.

Zephyr


I would like you to provide examples and PROOF (proof they are Christians and proof that I HATE) before you slander me. Thank you
 

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I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: bthorny
I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's


Agreed 100%...........

We should be able to murder unborn children with no threat of legal action, all hail our liberties
 

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Abortion is a hot issue for me that I'm torn on. While I don't personally believe in it, despite not being very religious...I'm not sure its my place to judge others on it.

Fetal rights sounds good in theory...but it also sounds like it has the real potential to be misinterpreted. I would have to learn more about the issue before forming an opinion.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: bthorny
I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's

Yea, it is wrong to take away a person's right to kill another.


You people who support the killing of an innocent unborn child sicken me. I wish someone had aborted you people way back when. Just stick a knife right through your brain. Keep poking around in there until you die.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Abortion is a hot issue for me that I'm torn on. While I don't personally believe in it, despite not being very religious...I'm not sure its my place to judge others on it.

Fetal rights sounds good in theory...but it also sounds like it has the real potential to be misinterpreted. I would have to learn more about the issue before forming an opinion.


I'm not sure its my place to judge others on it.

Your not "judging" others when you engage the political/legal process.........

 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: bthorny
I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's

Yea, it is wrong to take away a person's right to kill another.


You people who support the killing of an innocent unborn child sicken me. I wish someone had aborted you people way back when. Just stick a knife right through your brain. Keep poking around in there until you die.

Yeah yeah yeah, and I wish someone would build concentration camps with gas chambers so we could kill off all these living liberals. And don't forget killing the homosexuals, non-Christians, etc.

Zephyr
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: bthorny
I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's

Yea, it is wrong to take away a person's right to kill another.
Tell me Zero, do you donate money or time to help those who choose to have the child or do you plan on adopting one of those unwanted children?
You people who support the killing of an innocent unborn child sicken me.
Supporting the womens right to choose is not supporting abortion. In fact most of us would hope they chose to have the child

I wish someone had aborted you people way back when. Just stick a knife right through your brain. Keep poking around in there until you die.
Of course we should just regard that statement as an anger management problem you may have as it's obvious that you being one who believes in the sanctity of life would never commit such an act yourself

 

Riprorin

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Halik, here's an interesting counter argument:

"Some bioethicists, such as Baruch Brody, believe that full humanness begins when the brain starts functioning, which can first be detected by the electroencephalogram (EEG) at about 40 to 43 days after conception.1 (Although Brody has moral problems with abortion on demand prior to brain functioning, this is not because he believes the unborn is fully human.) Brody maintains that in order to decide when something is fully human, "we must first see...what properties are such that their loss would mean the going out of existence (the death) of a human being."2 He concludes that since at brain death a human being goes out of existence (at least in this mortal realm), the presence of a functioning human brain is the property which makes one fully human. Hence, it would only follow that the start of brain functioning is the beginning of full humanness.

The fundamental difficulty with this argument "is that brain death indicates the end of human life as we know it, the dead brain having no capacity to revive itself. But the developing embryo has the natural capacity to bring on the functioning of the brain."3 That is to say, an entity's irreversible absence of brain waves after the brain waves have come into existence indicates that the entity no longer has the natural, inherent capacity to function as a human being, since our current technology is incapable of "reactivating" the brain. However, the unborn entity who has yet to reach the stage in (his or) her development at which brain waves can be detected, unlike the brain dead individual, possesses the inherent capacity to have brain waves. She is like a patient with a temporarily flat EEG. "The two stages of human life are, then, entirely different from the point of view of brain functioning. The embryo contains the natural capacity to develop all the human activities: perceiving, reasoning, willing and relating to others. Death means the end of natural growth, the cessation of these abilities."4"
 

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The law, by itself, limited to a narrow scope, is not a bad one (a la Scott/Laci Peterson). Of course, it will never end at that, will it? And will of course be subject to interpretation by all, and eventually will become a rallying cry for both sides, just like the original decision. Abortion is an issue that will never be resolved.

I think that in general, people tend to care much too much about how others are living their lives, and don't pay enough attention to how they themselves are living it. Just my opinion, which of course, just goes to prove the statement. :)

BTW, are there ever any moderates who ever post in these forums? Every topic always has very polarized responses. Good or bad. Right or wrong. Stereotypical reactions of the right or left. No offense intended, just curious. Maybe they just don't feel strongly enough to post anything? :p

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Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: bthorny
I think the Bush administration is trying to see how many liberties they can take away before leaving office, freaking nazi's

Yea, it is wrong to take away a person's right to kill another.


You people who support the killing of an innocent unborn child sicken me. I wish someone had aborted you people way back when. Just stick a knife right through your brain. Keep poking around in there until you die.

Yeah yeah yeah, and I wish someone would build concentration camps with gas chambers so we could kill off all these living liberals. And don't forget killing the homosexuals, non-Christians, etc.

Zephyr

I'm a liberal, non-Christian with many gay friends and I find abortion to be despicable. Not all issues straddle party lines.