Bush says "do not hesitate"

andy2812

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I guess he doesn't take his own advice, since he just kept reading childrens books after the WTC has hit. If that wasn't hesitating, I don't know what is.
 

arsbanned

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Yeah, I love those ads. His wife sitting there like she's brain-dead. Well, she must be, to have married that guy. :D
 

KarenMarie

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Now come on... let's not bring Laura into this... she has done nothing to warrant being attacked.

Bush and Kerry are running for the job of President. Their wives should not be attacked.

Thanks...:)
 

DWW

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Originally posted by: andy2812
I guess he doesn't take his own advice, since he just kept reading childrens books after the WTC has hit. If that wasn't hesitating, I don't know what is.

OMG LOL I KNOW!!!!!

I was watching F911 and I was like OMG Michael Moore is teh man he knows what really happened, like Bu$$$h sat there for days or weeks with the children book reading while secretly communicating with eye movements to his Saudi friends to get da fvck out and like, hide the link between Haliburton and Osama cause like they be best buddies and make billions of dollars without us knowing, I know all of this cause I watched this in Michael Moore's documentary F911 and like, it revealed so much to me tooo!!!11


Uh okay please tell me what the fvck he could have done for those FEW MINUTES he collected his thoughts so he could give some serious words and try to keep people calm. Really? What, was he supposed to fly like superman and stop the towers from falling?

Give me a fvcking break :disgust:
 
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Originally posted by: DWW

Uh okay please tell me what the fvck he could have done for those FEW MINUTES he collected his thoughts so he could give some serious words and try to keep people calm. Really? What, was he supposed to fly like superman and stop the towers from falling?

Give me a fvcking break :disgust:

With all respect to President Bush, he could have politely excused himself and left, so he could start getting up to speed on the situation. Keep in mind, while the kids read "My Pet Goat," there were still 2 hijacked planes in the air. Instead, interestingly, he engaged in a 20-minute photo op after leaving the classroom, but before taking any further action.

Coincidentally, or not, VP Cheney, that same day, authorized shootdown of civilian airliners over CONUS, a power reserved exclusively for the President (reminiscent of Al Haig saying - and blatantly overstepping his Constitutional authority in doing so - "I'm in charge here," after Reagan was shot).

I really don't want to get into second-guessing President Bush TOO much on this issue, because he was put in an incredibly challenging, novel situation, but I also think it's counter-productive to pretend his actions were the most appropriate ones under the circumstances, when they clearly weren't.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: DWW

Uh okay please tell me what the fvck he could have done for those FEW MINUTES he collected his thoughts so he could give some serious words and try to keep people calm. Really? What, was he supposed to fly like superman and stop the towers from falling?

Give me a fvcking break :disgust:

With all respect to President Bush, he could have politely excused himself and left, so he could start getting up to speed on the situation. Keep in mind, while the kids read "My Pet Goat," there were still 2 hijacked planes in the air. Instead, interestingly, he engaged in a 20-minute photo op after leaving the classroom, but before taking any further action.

Coincidentally, or not, VP Cheney, that same day, authorized shootdown of civilian airliners over CONUS, a power reserved exclusively for the President (reminiscent of Al Haig saying - and blatantly overstepping his Constitutional authority in doing so - "I'm in charge here," after Reagan was shot).

I really don't want to get into second-guessing President Bush TOO much on this issue, because he was put in an incredibly challenging, novel situation, but I also think it's counter-productive to pretend his actions were the most appropriate ones under the circumstances, when they clearly weren't.

Considering Kerry also said he was in a state of shock for about 2 hours after the attack, I dont think it is too wise to attack the president a few minutes of time...
 
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Originally posted by: charrison

Considering Kerry also said he was in a state of shock for about 2 hours after the attack, I dont think it is too wise to attack the president a few minutes of time...

What's the relevance of that? A senator doesn't have the authority to do anything in that situation, whereas the President is required to. Being "in a state of shock" doesn't imply he would have just sat there for two hours.

Do you really think President Bush's actions, including taking time for the 20-minute photo op, were the most optimal ones under the circumstances? Why? If not, why are you arguing this issue?

I'm not "attacking" the President anyway, BTW - I just want to make sure things work as well as possible if this happens again.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: charrison

Considering Kerry also said he was in a state of shock for about 2 hours after the attack, I dont think it is too wise to attack the president a few minutes of time...

What's the relevance of that? A senator doesn't have the authority to do anything in that situation, whereas the President is required to. Being "in a state of shock" doesn't imply he would have just sat there for two hours.

Do you really think President Bush's actions, including taking time for the 20-minute photo op, were the most optimal ones under the circumstances? Why? If not, why are you arguing this issue?

I'm not "attacking" the President anyway, BTW - I just want to make sure things work as well as possible if this happens again.

Considering this senator wants to be president, it does seem to be relevent.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Now come on... let's not bring Laura into this... she has done nothing to warrant being attacked.

Bush and Kerry are running for the job of President. Their wives should not be attacked.

Thanks...:)

Ummm, Hello.

I know you are a new poster in here but Laura recently trashed Science, that she and her husband know best and we shouldn't be messing with little embryos and stem cells in the name of healing and science.

She is "The Last Lady" as far as Science and this Country is concerned.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, I love those ads. His wife sitting there like she's brain-dead. Well, she must be, to have married that guy. :D

I think the look of disgust on Mrs. Bush's face was priceless.
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Now come on... let's not bring Laura into this... she has done nothing to warrant being attacked.

Bush and Kerry are running for the job of President. Their wives should not be attacked.

Thanks...:)

Ummm, Hello.

I know you are a new poster in here but Laura recently trashed Science, that she and her husband know best and we shouldn't be messing with little embryos and stem cells in the name of healing and science.

She is "The Last Lady" as far as Science and this Country is concerned.

That is not what she said.

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I could find endless links... but she did not say that she and her husband knew best. She did not trash science. I think their stance is that they cannot rectify killing embryo's with their stance on abortion.

:)
 

Vadatajs

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, I love those ads. His wife sitting there like she's brain-dead. Well, she must be, to have married that guy. :D

Not brain-dead, punch-drunk from W's drinkin' days.

Git me a beer bitch!

(and unlike you, I'm dead serious)
 
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Originally posted by: charrison

Considering this senator wants to be president, it does seem to be relevent.

You've ignored the lion's share of my post. I'll reiterate:

Do you really think President Bush's actions, including taking time for the 20-minute photo op, were the most optimal ones under the circumstances? Why? If not, why are you arguing this issue?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: charrison

Considering this senator wants to be president, it does seem to be relevent.

You've ignored the lion's share of my post. I'll reiterate:

Do you really think President Bush's actions, including taking time for the 20-minute photo op, were the most optimal ones under the circumstances? Why? If not, why are you arguing this issue?

To be honest, in the grand scheme of things it does not really matter.

This 20 minutes had no effect on the outcome of the day.
 
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Originally posted by: charrison

To be honest, in the grand scheme of things it does not really matter.

This 20 minutes had no effect on the outcome of the day.

Touche. So, in the future, you think the President should spend 27 minutes on reading "My Pet Goat," then being photographed with schoolteachers after the nation is attacked by terrorists? That's the best possible course of action? I'm just polling where you stand on this one . . .
 

arsbanned

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Ummm, Hello.

I know you are a new poster in here but Laura recently trashed Science, that she and her husband know best and we shouldn't be messing with little embryos and stem cells in the name of healing and science.

She is "The Last Lady" as far as Science and this Country is concerned.

I have to agree. We don't need Laura Bush lecturing us on the merits of science. What did she get her degree in, anyway, how to best serve the Texas man?

Wait let me put a nice smiley emoticon here: :)

Edit: Well, she does have a degree in Science after all! LIBRARY SCIENCE. hahahahahahahhaaaaaaaa.
Wait, here it comes! :)
 

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response time is key, in that day, i don't doubt the 27 mins did not make a difference, read chapter 1 of Richard A. Clarke's book and he takes you through the entire day explaining everything that was happening.

point is, we know how Bush handles himself as a commander and chief, he is not fit for the job. he is far from trustworthy and has already failed IMO. Regardless of who the candidate is, the likelyhood of Kerry doing a better job is much greater.

Anything think of where FDR was during the bombing of Pearl Harbor? I really doubt he would have spent 27 mins reading my pet goat and had photos taken even if he could walk. I think we can safely say FDR was one of our greatest presidents in our time, and I'm sure he would have immediatelly gotten on the phone w/ Clarke or Rice and found out 1) what was happening 2) who did this 3) is there anything i need to authorize to help with the crisis management 4) is the attack done or is there more to come 5) get a speach written up to address the nation.

fact of the matter is that the president should have reacted immediatelly to get those 5 things done ASAP.

Ogi

edited for better rewording on 1st line
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: charrison

To be honest, in the grand scheme of things it does not really matter.

This 20 minutes had no effect on the outcome of the day.

Touche. So, in the future, you think the President should spend 27 minutes on reading "My Pet Goat," then being photographed with schoolteachers after the nation is attacked by terrorists? That's the best possible course of action? I'm just polling where you stand on this one . . .



:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Yeah, I love those ads. His wife sitting there like she's brain-dead. Well, she must be, to have married that guy. :D

Yeah, lets talk about what the democrats consider 'strong' women. They consider strong women those that come out and stand by their liar husbands while they get blowjobs in the oval office. Thats real 'strong'. They consider strong women those that come out in support of their husbands after finding out their husband has been f-ing other men, and appointing them to key positions relating to security in our government.. yes, that is a 'strong' woman... a 'smart' woman.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: charrison

To be honest, in the grand scheme of things it does not really matter.

This 20 minutes had no effect on the outcome of the day.

Touche. So, in the future, you think the President should spend 27 minutes on reading "My Pet Goat," then being photographed with schoolteachers after the nation is attacked by terrorists? That's the best possible course of action? I'm just polling where you stand on this one . . .


Considering he had already been briefed on first plane plane hitting the tower and I assume that means he was briefed on the other wayward planes. At this point what is there to do?

Granted I have little doubt, that if he would have left quickly, the left would be faulting him for that as well.
 

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What's the relevance of that? A senator doesn't have the authority to do anything in that situation, whereas the President is required to. Being "in a state of shock" doesn't imply he would have just sat there for two hours.

Kerry has stated that he sat like a rock, unable to think for 47 minutes after the WTC was hit, and had to be told by the White House to evacuate the building he was in after the Pentagon was hit.

the "Reporting for Duty" battle hardened highly decorated veteran Kerry, didn't have the sense to figure out the building he was in might be a target, after both WTC's are hit, and the Pentagon blows up.
 
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Originally posted by: Crimson

Yeah, lets talk about what the democrats consider 'strong' women. They consider strong women those that come out and stand by their liar husbands while they get blowjobs in the oval office. Thats real 'strong'. They consider strong women those that come out in support of their husbands after finding out their husband has been f-ing other men, and appointing them to key positions relating to security in our government.. yes, that is a 'strong' woman... a 'smart' woman.

I actually agree with you that it's unseemly and inappropriate to make fun of Laura Bush (though I don't think it's unreasonable to criticize her arguments on stem cell research, a topic she's come out publically on).

That said, you're dead wrong, and being no less misogynistic and mean-spirited than liberals have been toward Laura Bush. I am a Democrat, and my mother has been a role model to me throughout my life. She has been a respected judge for 20 years, and is one of the smartest people I've ever met (by way of illustration, she got 1540 on her SATs, including 800 verbal).

She is my idea of a strong woman, not the stereotype you describe. What mean-spirited comments do you have about her?
 
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
What's the relevance of that? A senator doesn't have the authority to do anything in that situation, whereas the President is required to. Being "in a state of shock" doesn't imply he would have just sat there for two hours.

Kerry has stated that he sat like a rock, unable to think for 47 minutes after the WTC was hit, and had to be told by the White House to evacuate the building he was in after the Pentagon was hit.

the "Reporting for Duty" battle hardened highly decorated veteran Kerry, didn't have the sense to figure out the building he was in might be a target, after both WTC's are hit, and the Pentagon blows up.

Nice misrepresentation - you really are a proud member of the Lee Atwater School of Campaign Dirty Tricks, eh?

Here is what Sen Kerry actually said:

KERRY: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting -- we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol. And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building. And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation.

Nothing there about "sitting like a rock" - he and his fellow Senators were trying to keep working in spite of the disaster, but were understandably too distracted to productively do so. They then evacuated when Capitol staffers told them it was time to do so. I can't believe, but I'm not surprised, that rabid partisans like you would try to turn this behavior into something negative.