Bush protester acquitted of disorderly conduct after she refused to be moved to a "free speech zone"

Insane3D

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Bush protester acquitted

By SCOTT BROOKS
Union Leader Correspondent

NASHUA ? A former state representative was acquitted yesterday in a case that tested the police?s authority to remove protesters during a Presidential visit.

A judge ruled that Nashua police acted unlawfully when they arrested 83-year-old Betty Hall of Brookline for refusing to back away while protesting President Bush?s last trip to the city in March.

Police physically carried her into a squad car after repeatedly pleading with her to leave the designated ?safety zone,? where Hall sat on a portable stool and propped up a sign reading ?Bush is bad for America.?

Before the President?s motorcade arrived, she was hauled to the Hudson Police Station and charged with disorderly conduct.

Judge Clifford Kinghorn said he could not find Hall guilty because she had not substantially interfered with the police?s traffic and pedestrian management efforts, as the state?s criminal code requires for a conviction.

Hall, who had earlier defined her case as a matter of civil rights, called the judge?s decision an affirmation of her right to speak freely.

?I still live in a free country and a free state,? Hall said after the ruling.

The case comes just days before Bush?s expected return to Nashua. Bush is scheduled to campaign Monday at Nashua High School North, where he will be joined by his wife and Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

As usual, police are expecting a healthy gathering of protesters.

Deputy Chief Donald Conley of the Nashua Police Department said his officers will enforce the safety zone just as aggressively this time around and will not hesitate to press charges. The difference, he said, will be in the types of charges they press.

?There won?t be any additional state charges forthcoming,? Conley said, ?but there could very well be federal charges as a result of anybody violating the safety zone of the President.?

Conley said the department would work with the U.S. Marshals office or the Secret Service to ensure they have legitimate grounds for arresting disobedient protesters.

Hall hasn?t made up her mind, but it?s likely she?ll be in the thick of it again come Monday, holding a sign for the President to see.

?Chances are excellent that I will,? she said.

The March 25 arrest was a first for Hall, who has a long record of public service in New Hampshire. Hall served 11 terms in the State House and has held several elected positions in Brookline. She is a member of the Hollis-Brookline Cooperative School Board.

Outside the district courthouse, as Hall made her entrance, a pair of supporters displayed signs accusing the police and President Bush of squelching free speech.

Inside, Hall found support from more than two-dozen friends and like-minded activists.

Hall?s attorney, Michael Pignatelli, questioned the officers who arrested Hall about their reasons for asking her to relocate. Hall had already complied twice when officers asked her to move back for her own safety, he said.

But she had her limits, he said, when the officers asked her to get up yet again after she had already settled on the far side of Amherst Street, about 70 feet from Bush?s expected entrance point to the Nashua Community Technical College.

Hall walks with the help of a cane and told the officers it would be hard for her to move again, she testified. In any case, she said, it wasn?t fair.

?I didn?t think it was lawful to make me move,? she told the court. ?I was all by myself. I wasn?t threatening anybody.?

Officer Daniel Mederos said he wanted Hall to move back another 75 or 100 feet, to the limit of the safety zone. But Hall said she didn?t see how Bush could notice them from so far away.

?I just feel our country is going down the wrong road, telling people they can?t stand up for what they believe in,? Hall said, prompting her supporters in the pews to applaud.

Two other protesters were arrested during Bush?s visit: Howard Morse, 73, of Amherst; and Valerie Farrell, 54, of Merrimack. Whereas Hall initially conceded to police requests to move the protesters, Morse and Farrell resisted from the start.

Both are scheduled to face trial in Nashua District Court Sept. 30.

Morse, who came to court yesterday to support Hall, said Kinghorn?s ruling yesterday bodes well for his own case.

He?ll be out of town when the President returns Monday, though.

?I think I made my point,? he said.

Goooo Betty! :D

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=42921
 

Insane3D

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My hotel is the communications center for the SS again for this vist. They are actually pretty cool people, and you should see the equipment they brought....

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So in the US you have zones for free speach? what happens if i am not in the "zone"

How the land of the supposedly free has degenerated to the supposedly free i fthey agree.


And you guys, well, let me tell you that this shiat wouldn't be tolerated in any european nation, still you are

the land of the free, lmao, eh, no you are not.

You are whoever your leader tells you to be, or you are in opposition.
 

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: loki8481
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So in the US you have zones for free speach? what happens if i am not in the "zone"
yea, it's an embarrassment; although better than Germany or even Canada.

but yes, we can still 'blasphemy' our political leaders, or insult our policemen, or even say "hile Hitler!" all we want;

we aren?t kept from holding or expressing our political views, but often we do limit the locations in which public protests can occur for functional reasons. Unlike other countries the government has no place in regulating what political speech we are, or are not, allowed to hear; nor who we are, or are not, allowed to speak out against.

good thing that the supreme court is working to fix this embarrassment and hopefully re-assert our general right to protest ware we like.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
So in the US you have zones for free speach? what happens if i am not in the "zone"

How the land of the supposedly free has degenerated to the supposedly free i fthey agree.


And you guys, well, let me tell you that this shiat wouldn't be tolerated in any european nation, still you are

the land of the free, lmao, eh, no you are not.

You are whoever your leader tells you to be, or you are in opposition.

Take that back you foreign commie bastage. We True Americans are free to say whatever King Dub wants us to say, any time, any place. Free speech zones are only for godless pinkos like you. :|



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Heh. Wow. Just wow. They really showed her, didn't they.... Tough guys beating down an 83 year old woman.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Heh. Wow. Just wow. They really showed her, didn't they.... Tough guys beating down an 83 year old woman.

You should have seen the picture that day in the paper....four big tough cops carrying this little 83 year old lady into the nearest cruiser. :roll:
 

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They would have had to fire me before I'd touch her or even ask her to leave. Don't these guys have grandmothers? *shakes head*
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Heh. Wow. Just wow. They really showed her, didn't they.... Tough guys beating down an 83 year old woman.

"Police physically carried her into a squad car after repeatedly pleading with her to leave the designated ?safety zone,? where Hall sat on a portable stool and propped up a sign reading ?Bush is bad for America.?

Klixxer is right but obviously there are American Sheep right here in P&amp;N that refuse to see the transformation away from a "Free" Country because they have been Brainwashed.

The Brainwashing success makes them see no difference between designated Bush ?safety zone? or designated Bush ?anti-Free Speech zone?

I bet if the little ol lady didn't have the sign in her hand and instead had a small American Flag they wouldn't have moved or touched her. It was only because she had the sign. :|
 

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It should be interesting to see how police handle the situation on Monday when he visits the local high school. I wonder if they will think twice next time. Betty plans on being there...heh.

Hell, I might try to make it down there and sit right next to her. :)
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
So in the US you have zones for free speach? what happens if i am not in the "zone"

How the land of the supposedly free has degenerated to the supposedly free i fthey agree.


And you guys, well, let me tell you that this shiat wouldn't be tolerated in any european nation, still you are

the land of the free, lmao, eh, no you are not.

You are whoever your leader tells you to be, or you are in opposition.

We have security laws and rules designed for the protection of the VIP and to minimize disruption to traffic. It is a fact of life that everywhere the President of the US goes publically these days someone will be there to protest something. This would be true even if God himself was President-its human nature. Those are legitamite rules and I presume you have similar rules in your country. But Bush (and also Cheney) have carried it to an extreme. Their people require loyalty oaths of every member of the audience to attend their "public" speeches. Their exclusion zones for protestors are always set to the maximum possible, with the intention being that they are removed from eyesight-and camera range. Kerry and Edwards do not do this. When Edwards spoke at a fundraiser next door last month, the GOP protestors were permitted across the side street, about 30' feet from the main hotel entrance.

It's not a matter of bad rules, its a matter of bad enforcement of good rules.
 

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
My hotel is the communications center for the SS again for this vist. They are actually pretty cool people, and you should see the equipment they brought....

:Q:Q

Yeah, the SS guys are pretty cool. Standing around waiting for the Cheney event here in DesMoines we got to chat with one or two of them. I'm sure it'll be much the same(with alot more of them though) when Bush comes to town on Tuesday.(Yes, I volunteered to work that event too:D)

We(as in the campaign/police - not me specifically) had to move the protesters(all 6 or so of them) to different spot because they were not on public property where they first tried to set up. I found their sign funny though and there was only one guy who was ranting on and on about Haliburton:p the rest just sat there looking bored.

CkG
 

DealMonkey

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The excuse that protestors have to be relegated to areas outside the "safety zone" or inside the "protest zone" for the safety of the president/candidate/delegates is pure unadulterated BS. Anyone knows that if someone really wanted to harm the president or some other official, they would simply pretend to be a supporter who are allowed to get much, much closer. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The excuse that protestors have to be relegated to areas outside the "safety zone" or inside the "protest zone" for the safety of the president/candidate/delegates is pure unadulterated BS.

You can't stop Progress!! ;)
 

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Where was all this bitching and moaning when the same thing was happening at the dem's. convention? I guess it's only obstruction of free speech if you are a democrat. What a bunch of crap. And yes, the police would have done the same thing even if she was waving an American Flag and holding a BUSH 2004 sign. It's called Safety. I don't care who you are or who the President is, if you do not respect the safety zone of the President or his staff staff, you will be getting an ass stomping free country or not.:roll:
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Where was all this bitching and moaning when the same thing was happening at the dem's. convention? I guess it's only obstruction of free speech if you are a democrat. What a bunch of crap. And yes, the police would have done the same thing even if she was waving an American Flag and holding a BUSH 2004 sign. It's called Safety. I don't care who you are or who the President is, if you do not respect the safety zone of the President or his staff staff, you will be getting an ass stomping free country or not.:roll:






I don't recall where it says the 83 year old woman got "an ass stomping".

She was acquitted.
 

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The excuse that protestors have to be relegated to areas outside the "safety zone" or inside the "protest zone" for the safety of the president/candidate/delegates is pure unadulterated BS.

You can't stop Progress!! ;)

Don't tell that to the President or Mrs. Bush!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Where was all this bitching and moaning when the same thing was happening at the dem's. convention? I guess it's only obstruction of free speech if you are a democrat. What a bunch of crap. And yes, the police would have done the same thing even if she was waving an American Flag and holding a BUSH 2004 sign. It's called Safety. I don't care who you are or who the President is, if you do not respect the safety zone of the President or his staff staff, you will be getting an ass stomping free country or not.:roll:

Guess you're not familiar with the situation around the Fleet Center, eh?

Figures. More ignorant blathering. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Where was all this bitching and moaning when the same thing was happening at the dem's. convention? I guess it's only obstruction of free speech if you are a democrat. What a bunch of crap. And yes, the police would have done the same thing even if she was waving an American Flag and holding a BUSH 2004 sign. It's called Safety. I don't care who you are or who the President is, if you do not respect the safety zone of the President or his staff staff, you will be getting an ass stomping free country or not.:roll:






I don't recall where it says the 83 year old woman got "an ass stomping".

She was acquitted.

I know she was was acquitted. I never stated that she had, in fact, received an "ass stomping". I was simply implying that when it comes to the safety of the President freedom of speech will always take a back seat to safety regardless of if you believe it is the correct action or not . If you know the President is coming and you are 70 something feet away and have been asked to move in a polite manner several times and then refuse numerous times you should be removed for lack of common sense. The police took the proper action.
 

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Klizzer--let me clarify for you------Free Speech Zones are essentialy created to assure that demonstrators are not stopping traffic, creating havoc, or over taxing a police force already strained beyond the limits. (Thats a post 9/11 phenomenom) Now, if you want to lay down in the middle of a street and practice civil disobedience, you are entitled to do so and take your punishment in the process. Thats what Martin Luther King did---very effective---So stop saying that free speech is dead in America---Its alive and kicking.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Where was all this bitching and moaning when the same thing was happening at the dem's. convention? I guess it's only obstruction of free speech if you are a democrat. What a bunch of crap. And yes, the police would have done the same thing even if she was waving an American Flag and holding a BUSH 2004 sign. It's called Safety. I don't care who you are or who the President is, if you do not respect the safety zone of the President or his staff staff, you will be getting an ass stomping free country or not.:roll:

I was bitching about that too. Go look it up if you don't believe me.