Bush: "No evidence Saddam was involved in 9-11 . . .

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
10,053
0
71
A little late there, Dubya

Seems the Administration spent an awful lot of time and effort trying to paint that picture.
Now Rumsfeld, Rice, and Bush Almighty himself are willing to change the story.
What was that statement about 'Revisionist History' ?

al Qaeda ties ?
Argyle socks ?
Texas belt ?

 

RustedOut

Member
Jan 2, 2002
28
0
0
But . . . . But . . . . But . . . .

Well, when all those talking heads are saying how W has restored honor and integrity to the White House, I guess George bit and stood up to his new challenge. The truth.

Now wonder how the Fox/Rush/Hannity bunch will take this little statement. Polls say that almost 70% believe Saddam was connected to 9/11. (Where did those 70% come up with that wisdom)

Oh well, I guess Fox/Rush/Hannity will just be some more Bush Bashers.

 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
This is big news. It undermines implied statements from about every bush official, even as late as last week.
 

kylebisme

Diamond Member
Mar 25, 2000
9,396
0
0
big news? that happens all the damn time and most people just scratch their asses and turn on foxnews.
 

Mark

Golden Member
Oct 9, 1999
1,486
3
76
and i bet the same morons who believed irag had a connection with 9/11 will still believe there are WMD's somewhere in iraq.
 

Cesar

Banned
Jan 12, 2003
458
0
0
Originally posted by: Mark
and i bet the same morons who believed irag had a connection with 9/11 will still believe there are WMD's somewhere in iraq.

LOL! these morons will continue to say( I )raq, and will still say Bush never lies!!!
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,422
14,337
136
<Gomer Pyle voice>

Suh-prize, suh-prize!!

</Gomer Pyle voice>
 

PatboyX

Diamond Member
Aug 10, 2001
7,024
0
0
Originally posted by: RustedOut
But . . . . But . . . . But . . . .

Well, when all those talking heads are saying how W has restored honor and integrity to the White House, I guess George bit and stood up to his new challenge. The truth.

Now wonder how the Fox/Rush/Hannity bunch will take this little statement. Polls say that almost 70% believe Saddam was connected to 9/11. (Where did those 70% come up with that wisdom)

Oh well, I guess Fox/Rush/Hannity will just be some more Bush Bashers.

they'll probably just ignore it or blame it on the liberals.
im sorry.. "typical liberal media that is bringing this up to destroy bushs credibility"
 

Staples

Diamond Member
Oct 28, 2001
4,953
119
106
If you were smart and followed the news, you'd have known this for 6+ months but unfortunately there are very few smart Americans as evidenced by the recent poll which showed that %70 of Americans believed that Saddam had a part in the attack. Instead, these guys listened to Bush who kept on insinuating that Saddam had something to do with it. This is really sad that this country is this dumb.

Clinton was impeached for sex but could we actually impeach someone for something serious? No, that could never happen.
 

Gaard

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2002
8,911
1
0
It's a good thing this administration has done everything in it's power to make sure the American public is clear of the lack of evidence connecting the two. After all, how could it possibly be beneficial to the cause?
 

bjc112

Lifer
Dec 23, 2000
11,460
0
76
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11.

Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.
 

lozina

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
11,711
8
81
Perhaps they are working on shifting the 9/11 ties accusation to Syria, so then of course you have to say Iraq has no conenctions anymore. :D
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,267
126
Originally posted by: bjc112
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11.

Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.

IIRC, those camps were in the northern part of the country under Kurdish influence beyond Saddams influence. I also recall there being no link between them and Saddam at any level. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would be glad to review it.
 

bjc112

Lifer
Dec 23, 2000
11,460
0
76
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: bjc112
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11.

Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.

IIRC, those camps were in the northern part of the country under Kurdish influence beyond Saddams influence. I also recall there being no link between them and Saddam at any level. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would be glad to review it.

Oh come on...If Saddam truly did not want anything to do with that connection and or camps, they could have been removed.

Saddam supports terrorism, and killing innocent people, along with Americans.
 

lozina

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
11,711
8
81
Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: bjc112
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11.

Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.

IIRC, those camps were in the northern part of the country under Kurdish influence beyond Saddams influence. I also recall there being no link between them and Saddam at any level. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would be glad to review it.

Oh come on...If Saddam truly did not want anything to do with that connection and or camps, they could have been removed.

Saddam supports terrorism, and killing innocent people, along with Americans.

Winston is correct, Saddam didn't have much influence over the northern Kurdish area. So much so the Kurds had their own border guard to watch voer the Iraqi side, and the Ba'ath regime rarely ever crosses it without diguise.
 

Jmman

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 1999
5,302
0
76
I have no idea if there are links between Al Quaeda and Saddam. but for people to flatly deny that Iraq and Saddam have no links to terrorism is kind of naive. I guess the $25K checks that Iraq for the last few years has been sending to the familiies of Palestinian suicide bombers were sent simply because Saddam is a great humanitarian.....
rolleye.gif
 

bjc112

Lifer
Dec 23, 2000
11,460
0
76
but for people to flatly deny that Iraq and Saddam have no links to terrorism is kind of naive. I guess the $25K checks that Iraq for the last few years has been sending to the familiies of Palestinian suicide bombers were sent simply because Saddam is a great humanitarian

That is good statement.

Winston can you show me some hard evidence that there IS NO connection? How do you/I know what's really going down over there.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,336
11
0
Where have all the sources of information that could not be disclosed gone?
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
Originally posted by: bjc112
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11. Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.

There were no alqueda camps found in iraq. Zero. None. Nunca. Nada. Next question.

I guess the $25K checks that Iraq for the last few years has been sending to the familiies of Palestinian suicide bombers were sent simply because Saddam is a great humanitarian....

The palestinian cause is not related to global terrorism and alqueda. Every arab country supports the palestinians, hussein was just a little more overt than the others.

Back to alqueda and the justification to go to war, errr, the complete lack of justification I mean.
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
15,776
392
126
Originally posted by: bjc112
It was never stated there was a direct tie between Saddam and Sept. 11. [ ... ]
Are you related to tcsenter, by chance? He made the same claim a couple of weeks ago. Please read the letter below, then tell us how Bush-lite didn't tie Iraq to 9/11:

("Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate," linked directly from whitehouse.gov.)

Presidential Letter

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH
Straight from the horse's a.. errr ... mouth.

 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
And Cheney said (last week?) that war against iraq "struck at the heart of the geographical base for these terrorists", in reference specifically to alqueda. This was a complete lie, altho thanks to bush it is now becoming the heart of the geographical base for these terrorists.

Damn these politicials will sell their soul to get a vote.
 

minibush1

Member
Sep 14, 2003
119
0
0
New doctrine: admission by stealth
By Stewart Powell and Dan Freedman in Washington
September 17, 2003

The United States Vice-President's retreat from prewar claims that Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons appears to be part of a broader Bush Administration effort to abandon disputed assertions without admitting mistakes, experts say.

In an interview on Sunday, Dick Cheney rolled back his prewar claim that Iraq possessed nuclear weapons.

Two days earlier, the Deputy Secretary of Defence, Paul Wolfowitz, had said he was mistaken when he claimed that "a great many" high-ranking lieutenants of the al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden, were plotting with remnants of Saddam's regime to kill Americans in Iraq.

Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution scholar who has worked for four presidents, said the Administration's goal "is not to admit mistakes".

"Their actions remind me of the old adage that being president is never having to say you're sorry," Mr Hess said.

Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia who studies political damage control, said the Administration was "very gradually trying to rub the rough edges off earlier claims and predictions".
"Administration officials are eating crow one by one, eating smaller portions and calling it prime beef," Mr Sabato said.

Mr Cheney conceded in a TV interview that he had mistakenly claimed three days before the March 19 invasion of Iraq that Saddam had "reconstituted nuclear weapons".

"I misspoke," Mr Cheney said. " We never had evidence that [Saddam] had acquired a nuclear weapon." He also retreated from his allegation that the September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta had ties with Iraqi intelligence.

"We have never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or denying it," Mr Cheney said.

He also dropped his prewar certainty that unfettered inspections would uncover Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. "We think that the jury is still out in terms of trying to get everything pulled together with respect to what we know," Mr Cheney said.

He believed evidence would emerge to show at least that Saddam "had aspirations to acquire a nuclear weapon".

On Friday, Mr Wolfowitz narrowed his earlier claim that "a great many of bin Laden's key lieutenants are now trying to organise in co-operation with old loyalists from the Saddam regime to attack in Iraq".

Mr Wolfowitz said he had misspoken. "It's not 'a great many' - it's one," he said.

He said he had been referring to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda operative training Iraqis in the use of chemical weapons.

The Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, offered his own roll-back last Wednesday when he was asked to clarify his March 30 claim on weapons of mass destruction that "we know where they are".

Mr Rumsfeld said: "Sometimes I overstate for emphasis. I should have said, 'I believe we're in that area. Our intelligence tells us they're in that area, and that was our best judgement.' "
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
15,776
392
126
Originally posted by: bjc112
[ ... ] Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.
Sorry, you're the mistaken one. If you read this forum regularly, you would know this has been thoroughly and frequently refuted.

First, there are terrorist camps all over the Middle East, in almost every country. They do NOT necessarily operate with government knowledge and support. Consider the extremist camps discovered in this country. Do you seriously think we've found them all? Do you claim Bush is responsible for them?

Second, as WinstonSmith points out, the so-called al Qaeda camp was in a remote section of Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, within our no-fly zone. The Hussein regime did not control this part of the country. If they knew about the camp at all -- and there is no evidence they did -- they would have had little means or incentive to try to do anything about it. As one analyst put it, it could "just as well been in Iran."


 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
17,033
1
81
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: bjc112
[ ... ] Al Qaeda camps were found in Iraq. And you are poorly mistaken if you believe Saddam was not involved with them.
Sorry, you're the mistaken one. If you read this forum regularly, you would know this has been thoroughly and frequently refuted.

First, there are terrorist camps all over the Middle East, in almost every country. They do NOT necessarily operate with government knowledge and support. Consider the extremist camps discovered in this country. Do you seriously think we've found them all? Do you claim Bush is responsible for them?

Second, as WinstonSmith points out, the so-called al Qaeda camp was in a remote section of Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, within our no-fly zone. The Hussein regime did not control this part of the country. If they knew about the camp at all -- and there is no evidence they did -- they would have had little means or incentive to try to do anything about it. As one analyst put it, it could "just as well been in Iran."


Hussein did not control the air, but several of his divisions where in the north.
And he did not allow our entry to remove the camp.


Safe harbor at the very least was provided.