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Originally posted by: Zebo
Shadow what are you talking about? The top rate was since the new deal 91% then Kennedy modestly cut it to 73% and Reagan slashed it to 28%. Who do you think made up the difference while the governemnt exploded? Thats right middle/upper middle class wage earners in the form of higher taxes and more regressive taxes like sales, SS etc. Capital gains/trust fund babies/hiers to fortunes always got a free ride, but even more so under Republicans http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/template.cfm?PubID=8695. Again the middle class has had to take up the slack. And who's been presiding over this shift of burden?


In the 40 years ago corporations paid 50% of the tax burden, today it's 10%. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/TFDB/TFTemplate.cfm?Docid=203

Again the middle class had to take up the slack.

I won't even get into the hidden taxes on the middle class from pro-conservative issues like globalization which sends good paying jobs to third world dictitorial shit-holes to big corporate favorism (free land, tax deferments, non bidding for FEC licences etc) sufficed to say it's not fair to the budding businessman.
Spend some time here and learn who shifted the burden. It was'nt the democrates. I'll ask you a similar question after you educate yourself. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/tfdb/TFTemplate.cfm?topic2id=20


so how am i taking up the slack while at the same time paying less taxes? you can finagle figures all you want more is still more and less is still less and with this tax cut i am paying less taxes, period. i have more money in my pocket to spend and in spending it i increase the economy. reality does not seem to jive with your theory. maybe you can answer the challenge i isuued to all dems on this board, name one..just ONE tax increase that did not impact the middle class the most...can you do that?


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Originally posted by: Zebo
Nice try but dictatorships can never be socialist, because workers do not own or control anything when a ruling elite is telling them what to do.. Every proposal I remeber from poly sci was the most democratic from of governemnt I've ever heard of. Were you not only get to vote on political leadership but on your boss even, probably the last place in America that is still a dictatorship.

ROFL!! history has demonstrated that most dictatorships arise out of the implimentation of socialism. this occurs when the state(acting in accordance with socialistic/communistic dogma) nationalizes major banks, industries, and credit institutions. the natural byproduct is those in control of the government control these things..that is a lot of power in the hands of a few men or an individual(who often eliminates rivals inside the group controlling the socilistic government.) often these men do not want to let go of this power. in fact in almost every case where socialism has been tried, it has failed for this reason..this is not opinion, but verifiable history.

the only real philosophical difference between socialism and communism is in implementation, original socialism calls for evolution to the socialistic state, communism calls for revolution to bring about the socialist state, such as in 1917 which gave us the union of soviet socialist republics(USSR)

the idea of a socialistic goverment with a capitalistic economy is only an evolutionary step to the totally socialist state,

socialism is an idea that sounds good but never works, and it never will, why? because people are people. absolute power corrupts humans absolutely, and nowhere will you find a governemt with more power than a socialistic government that owns/controls every major industry a nation has.

the latest example is saddam hussien of the baath socialist party. he takes his place with dictators arising out of socilist governments such as hitler(national sozialiste) most often known by it's contraction nazi) stalin, pol pot, mao, francisco, castro...etc..etc.

the attempted implementation of this ideaology has caused the vast majority of the world's suffering, and still people cling to this failed concept because "it sounds like a good idea" blissfully ignorant or making excuses as to why it never works ,and never learning the lessons of history.

you spoke to me about educating myself, friend i have done so, i am self educated and not state educated, the true kind of free thinker!, you might try following your own advice and reading a history book or two...comrade.

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i just wanted to respond to this as well:

Originally posted by: Zebo
Shadow what are you talking about? The top rate was since the new deal 91% then Kennedy modestly cut it to 73% and Reagan slashed it to 28%. Who do you think made up the difference while the governemnt exploded? Thats right middle/upper middle class wage earners in the form of higher taxes and more regressive taxes like sales, SS etc. Capital gains/trust fund babies/hiers to fortunes always got a free ride, but even more so under Republicans http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/template.cfm?PubID=8695. Again the middle class has had to take up the slack. And who's been presiding over this shift of burden?


In the 40 years ago corporations paid 50% of the tax burden, today it's 10%. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/TFDB/TFTemplate.cfm?Docid=203

Again the middle class had to take up the slack.

I won't even get into the hidden taxes on the middle class from pro-conservative issues like globalization which sends good paying jobs to third world dictitorial shit-holes to big corporate favorism (free land, tax deferments, non bidding for FEC licences etc) sufficed to say it's not fair to the budding businessman.

what crackerjack box do you get your economic theory from? corporations(and small businesses) do not pay taxes! they pass that cost on to the consumer just as any other business expense! ROFL! let me introduce you to real world economics... the consumer ALWAYS carries the bottom line.

so what does an economic policy that raises taxes on goods and services do? it increases their cost to the consumer(back in the day we called that "inflation", what happens when you also raise taxes directly on the consumer? they have less money to spend on more expensive goods and services...

what does an economic policy that lowers taxes on businesses do? well in a free market economy competition ususally forces business to pass the savings to the consumer. couple that with lowered taxes on the consumers themselves and they have more money to buy less expensive goods and services.

welcome to the real world...comrade.



 

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