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Bush missed some points in the SOTU speech--->

Moonbeam

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1· 1.7 million jobs have been lost since January 2001, and 8.6 million Americans are actively looking for work. · Between Dec. 29, 2000, and the end of the third quarter 2002, the total market value of all U.S. equities dropped by 38 percent, or $6.65 trillion.


2· 1.3 million Americans slipped below the official poverty line in 2001, the first increase since 1993.


3· In two years, the United States had the highest rate of bankruptcy cases in history, up 23 percent since 2000.


4· Requests for emergency shelters increased some 19 percent in 2002, the largest annual increase since 1990.


5· A budget surplus of $236 billion in 2002 has turned into a $157 billion deficit for 2002, and forecasters predict the Bush '04 deficit at between $300-350 billion -- a half-trillion-dollar negative change.


6· Bush has cut programs within the "No Child Left Behind" Act by $90 million, and the '04 budget for Title I, the main program targeting aid to disadvantaged children, is expected to fall more than $6 billion short of what was promised in the new education law.


7· Nearly 40 percent of Bush's first tax cut went to the richest 1 percent of the country, or those earning more than $373,000 a year. Under the second tax cut proposal, the same segments of the population would receive an average tax cut of $30,127, while the average working family would get about $289.


8· The number of Americans without health insurance rose by 1.4 million in 2001, after dropping in 1999 and 2000.


9· Monthly premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance went up by 12.7 percent between spring 2001 and spring 2002, the largest increase since 1990.


10· Bush unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Kyoto Treaty, despite an EPA warning to the United Nations of significant environmental effects from climate change with, according to Associated Press reports, "changes over the next decades expected to put southeastern coast communities at greater risk of storm surges, prompt more uncomfortable heat waves in cities and reduce snowpack and water supplies in the West." The president has suggested "voluntary action" by industry is enough to deal with greenhouse-gas pollution.

11·The Bush administration in 2002 designated fewer toxic sites for restoration, and shifted the bulk of the cleanup costs from industry to the taxpayers. Bush's EPA also denied requests from its own regional offices to continue cleanup actions at 33 sites in 19 states.


12· In the first increase in serious crime in a decade, the FBI reports robberies were up 3.7 percent between 2000 and 2001, and murders increased 2.5 percent.


13· In August 2002 -- just four months before he was to propose another tax giveaway to the rich -- Bush vetoed a bipartisan package for port security, cockpit doors, border patrol, customs information systems, local first responder equipment, chemical weapons safety and other security concerns. Bush said the nation could not afford the additional homeland security expense.


14· The Washington Post reported in December that the "threat of 'Islamic terrorism' toward Western countries was growing, as Islamic militants linked to al-Qaida successfully recruit young men for a "holy war" against the United States.


15· U.S prestige in Europe, the Middle East and Asia is at perhaps an all-time low due to our perceived arrogance and belligerence.


Lifted from San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio where we still hear truths silenced elsewhere in our great republic.
 
"Lifted from San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio where we still hear truths silenced elsewhere in our great republic."

Was this from KGO NewsTalk 810? What host was it? Barney or Ray (the strongest liberals on that station)? I figured that would be the only liberal station in the Bay Area. Everything else is conservative with a few libertarians or moderates. Jim is my favourite on that station.

I find myself listening to the liberal station more often during the reign of the opposite party. And then I switch back to conservative stations when we get a liberal president. I guess I think it is a good way to get a fair and balanced report. The liberals don't tell all of the truth when it's their man as president. The conservatives don't either when it's their man as president.

Edited for crazy typos. 😱
 
10· Bush unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Kyoto Treaty, despite an EPA warning to the United Nations of significant environmental effects from climate change with, according to Associated Press reports, "changes over the next decades expected to put southeastern coast communities at greater risk of storm surges, prompt more uncomfortable heat waves in cities and reduce snowpack and water supplies in the West." The president has suggested "voluntary action" by industry is enough to deal with greenhouse-gas pollution.

This reminded me of one of Bushs Many many lies.

Bush ""I read the report put out by the bureaucracy (sneers)"

Ari "I think the president?whenever presidents say they read it, you can read that to be he was briefed. (Laughter.) "

Sad to say we are blowing money like no tomorrow🙁 ....Abroad
 
"Bush is an ass!", "no your an ass!". Lets try and make this post a little different this time guys.
 
· Nearly 40 percent of Bush's first tax cut went to the richest 1 percent of the country, or those earning more than $373,000 a year. Under the second tax cut proposal, the same segments of the population would receive an average tax cut of $30,127, while the average working family would get about $289.

Myth: Tax cuts spur economic growth.

Fact: High tax rates are correlated with economic growth


There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well.
 
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
10· Bush unilaterally withdrew the United States from the Kyoto Treaty, despite an EPA warning to the United Nations of significant environmental effects from climate change with, according to Associated Press reports, "changes over the next decades expected to put southeastern coast communities at greater risk of storm surges, prompt more uncomfortable heat waves in cities and reduce snowpack and water supplies in the West." The president has suggested "voluntary action" by industry is enough to deal with greenhouse-gas pollution.

This reminded me of one of Bushs Many many lies.

Bush ""I read the report put out by the bureaucracy (sneers)"

Ari "I think the president?whenever presidents say they read it, you can read that to be he was briefed. (Laughter.) "

Sad to say we are blowing money like no tomorrow🙁 ....Abroad


Well this one is a lie. The senate under the previous admin voted kyoto down 99-0. Bush had nothing to do with that one.
 
Originally posted by: Czar
and not forgetting the other international treaties the US has pulled back from

What treaties are those? The only one we have withdrawn from is ABM. We did that under the rules of the treaty and the other signing country technically does not exist anymore.
 
Moonie
Lifted from San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio where we still hear truths silenced elsewhere in our great republic.

By lifted from the San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio are you trying to imply that you heard all of that, remembered it and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure.

I see a lot of what has happened but not any explanation as to why it happened. Someone prove to me how each and every one of the events listed are the fault of the President.

I want to see how the economy starting down before he took office was his fault. I want to see how the seriously overbought bubble market of the 90's is his fault. I want to see how the Enron scandel which broke in his term but was comitted while Clinton was in office is his fault.

Cover each item and lay the fault by reasoned and logical arguement on President Bush, then we'll talk.
 
Originally posted by: etech
Moonie
Lifted from San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio where we still hear truths silenced elsewhere in our great republic.

By lifted from the San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio are you trying to imply that you heard all of that, remembered it and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure.

I see a lot of what has happened but not any explanation as to why it happened. Someone prove to me how each and every one of the events listed are the fault of the President.

I want to see how the economy starting down before he took office was his fault. I want to see how the seriously overbought bubble market of the 90's is his fault. I want to see how the Enron scandel which broke in his term but was comitted while Clinton was in office is his fault.

Cover each item and lay the fault by reasoned and logical arguement on President Bush, then we'll talk.

It is far easier to critic something than to propose a fix for the problems. The democrats currently only exist to be the opposition party.
 
It is far easier to critic something than to propose a fix for the problems. The democrats currently only exist to be the opposition party.

I didn't even address that part. I was more concerned over how they are assigning the blame.

My reply to Classy in another thread on a similar topic went something like this.

I'm going to be economical and recycle it as it also fits this thread.

Yes, the economy is down right now. A big bubble popped, then the economy got stepped on with a terrorist attack and the realization and uncovering of the corporate wrongdoings of the 90's. That's a lot for any economy to handle. Look around the world son. There aren't many economies doing all that well right now.
I will make one comment that is hard to prove but I bet is correct.
If Gore had been elected the economy would not be any better, would probably be worse and you would have your head up his anus singing his praises
 
Along with religious threads, I'm starting to think that these "Pro Bush vs. Anti Bush" threads are almost deserved of my Steak hijacking tactic 😉
 
It is far easier to critic something than to propose a fix for the problems. The democrats currently only exist to be the opposition party.

They are just as bad. Simple fact it takes big money to get elected today. Big money does'nt represent 99.9% of us. Hell the dems (senator Dodd) directly wrote w/repub help the accounting/consulting bill which has our market is so much trouble. So yea the dems are mainly reactionary or just liberal repubs. True liberals can't be heard becuause of money (same with true repubs, Pat B ring a bell). How many people do you think would be opposed to zero taxes until one hits 50 or 100K? How come this never comes up? Who is opposed to stopping corporate welfare, again never comes up. Who is opposed to spending limits? Well you get the idea, they truley don't represent us, only in rehtoric and lies.
 
ech qoute:

By lifted from the San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio are you trying to imply that you heard all of that, remembered it and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure.


I'm going to be economical and recycle it as it also fits this thread.

Yes, the economy is down right now. A big bubble popped, then the economy got stepped on with a terrorist attack and the realization and uncovering of the corporate wrongdoings of the 90's. That's a lot for any economy to handle. Look around the world son. There aren't many economies doing all that well right now.
I will make one comment that is hard to prove but I bet is correct.
If Gore had been elected the economy would not be any better, would probably be worse and you would have your head up his anus singing his praises
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By 'I'm going to be economical and recycle it as it also fits this thread' are you trying to imply that you recall all of that and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure. 😀


 
Carbo.. Love your sig..

Fight the Right with facts not the bought and paid for conservative media

Hell NO!!! Fight them with facts the LEFT paid for.. I like debating you, but sometimes you are teh "duh"...
 
Moonbeam.. I luv 'ya. really.. but if you're gonna list "facts" please list references.. I am not agreeing or disagreeing, just asking that you show me the numbers and where they were obtained, then I can start to talk to you about them.

Otherwise.. I'll list them under rubbish...

P.S. before you light me up on this.. I'm getting better and trying to list sources for all my stuff too..

Thanks!
 
Originally posted by: Damage
Carbo.. Love your sig..

Fight the Right with facts not the bought and paid for conservative media

Hell NO!!! Fight them with facts the LEFT paid for.. I like debating you, but sometimes you are teh "duh"...

It's supposed to be Like Duh, or ironic... Several threads here over the months some people dismiss the media as "ahh liberal media" etc and go on the quote from Cato isnt, National review, New york post, Rush whatever. I'm doing the same because I know the mainsteam media is way right😉😛


Edit: I should say any media avenue should be trusted until they are proven liars like (DateLine NBC blowing up explorers).
 
Damage, those were listed probably almost at random by Reverend Ray on KGO just as luvly surmised. They aren't facts unless they are true. What they are for me are some topics that got as were listed, some things that got left out of the STOU speech. They are there for conversation and comment. None of us have pure fact.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ech qoute:

By lifted from the San Francisco Bay Area News talk Radio are you trying to imply that you heard all of that, remembered it and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure.


I'm going to be economical and recycle it as it also fits this thread.

Yes, the economy is down right now. A big bubble popped, then the economy got stepped on with a terrorist attack and the realization and uncovering of the corporate wrongdoings of the 90's. That's a lot for any economy to handle. Look around the world son. There aren't many economies doing all that well right now.
I will make one comment that is hard to prove but I bet is correct.
If Gore had been elected the economy would not be any better, would probably be worse and you would have your head up his anus singing his praises
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By 'I'm going to be economical and recycle it as it also fits this thread' are you trying to imply that you recall all of that and typed it all from memory? Uh huh, sure. 😀

Not at all Moonie. This is a print medium. Radio is not. I never said or implied that I heard my past quote on the radio. Now are you still contending that you heard all of that on the radio and typed it here yourself?
I should know better than to expect honesty from you moonie, but give it a try just once.



 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Damage, those were listed probably almost at random by Reverend Ray on KGO just as luvly surmised. They aren't facts unless they are true. What they are for me are some topics that got as were listed, some things that got left out of the STOU speech. They are there for conversation and comment. None of us have pure fact.



I diddn't see the Democrat rebutle after the SOTU address, but you would think this would have been mentioned then. Democrats have a long way to go to gain credibilty that would sway a republican or one sitting on the fence.

If what you posted is correct ( and I suppose it is----not much sense in making things up as you go ) then even the stiffest republican conservative should be concerned. It is an alarming set of statistics.


I find it pretty interesting though, how Bush (or his speach writers and C. Rove) turned much of the SOTU address into taking the side of Democrats on issues before they could. Of course, in the last two days I have watched Bush stumping on some of those, and without his speech writers there, he is completely lost. He has no idea what he said in that speech. He just read the teleprompter ans paused for apllause every few words. It was very well callculated.

And very transperant.
:disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Damage, those were listed probably almost at random by Reverend Ray on KGO just as luvly surmised. They aren't facts unless they are true. What they are for me are some topics that got as were listed, some things that got left out of the STOU speech. They are there for conversation and comment. None of us have pure fact.

Ok.. I gotcha.. Supposition time then..

For most of what you reported, It seems to me that because I work hard, study and stay on top of things, I haven't had to deal with it. I am not at all in favor of social programs or handouts. If some people became unemployed, I would guess that they were disposable. If some companies went out of business I would think that they had poor management, or were in a commodity position offering no value. The US is still where successfull people succeed, if they have the will......

Health care costs are out of control, and I think that most things doctors "must" do can be performed by nurses (lowering the cost) and that perscription drug companies are in it for TOO much money. (I however am in no position to dictate how much they "should" make).

I would also say that Europe's attitue towards the US is as varied as their attitudes about themselves (ie.. Conservative in Italy, etc, think we are correct, however the liberals of the same country thing we are not.)

It is also my understanding that the US never signed the Kyoto treatise, but were involved up to a point where is was deemed that we didn't want to be constrained by the dictates of other nations.

Most importantly.. So long as the United States exists as a free coutry, with freedom of religion, extreemists will continue thier assualt on the "American" way of life.

They honestly remind me of Hitler.. You better be Muslim.. and I mean MY muslim otherwise you MUST die. (kinda like the Catholics a few centuries ago.. and before you flame me.. My uncle was a catholic preist, I grew up between that and a Jehova's Witness, so I ahve a little experience in religion type conflict)
 
The nice thing about being non partisan is that when I smell crap from any administration, I dont have to pretend it's roses. Bush may not have created the economic problems, but he sure isnt going to go about fixing it with a trillion dollar Great White Whale hunt.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
The nice thing about being non partisan is that when I smell crap from any administration, I dont have to pretend it's roses. Bush may not have created the economic problems, but he sure isnt going to go about fixing it with a trillion dollar Great White Whale hunt.

what is the trillion dollar whale hunt you refer to?
 
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