Bush linking Iraq to 9/11?

[ciba]

It was mentioned in another thread, but I didn't want to pollute it with too much discussion.

When did Bush claim Iraq was involved in 9/11? I haven't seen anything where he said that made a claim, but some posters are convinced he did. Can anyone help me out with a quote?

 

[GrGr]

Hint: See - "War on Terrar"

 

[Beowulf]

I don't believe Saddam and Al-Aqaeda were linked but there are links between Al-Qaeda and Ansar al-Islam(based in Iraq).

Al-Zarqawi tie alleged
Garzon said they developed a ?a network of forged documents to provide false identities or fake documents to other members of the network to help them move about, flee or hide or (to help) with their terrorist activities or links with organizations such as Ansar al-Islam, under the orders of Abu Musab al Zarqawi.? The latter is a Jordanian-born militant blamed for spearheading terrorist actions in Iraq.

Garzon issued an international arrest order for Boudhiba and Ezirouali and ordered the Spaniard?s release on $26,000 bail. The others are jailed in Spain.

Garzon said Boudhiba is in jail in Britain. He said Boudhiba traveled from Hamburg to Istanbul, Turkey, on Sept. 3, 2001, along with a man named Ahmed Taleb, a member of the Hamburg cell blamed for carrying out the Sept. 11 attacks. The alleged leader of the cell was suspected suicide pilot Mohamed Atta.

Investigators said Spain, along with Germany, was a major staging ground for the Sept. 11 attacks.

Binalshibh and Atta met in the northeastern Spanish region of Tarragona in July 2001, when Garzon says last-minute details of the attacks were decided, including the date.

Garzon described Madani as Binalshibh?s right-hand man in Spain and said Madani received money from Zakariya Essabar, another member of the Hamburg cell. The indictment says Madani may have supplied two passports to Binalshibh, including one stolen from a U.S. citizen in Barcelona in 1998.

Mahdjoub sent money to his brother in Germany, Abderrazak Mahdjoub, who was later arrested in Hamburg and extradited to Italy on suspicion of sending Islamic fighters to Iraq, Garzon said.

From the article "8 indicted in Spain for 9/11 attacks" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6834730/

 

[ciba]

Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why would a politician directly state something for which they could be held accountable when they can nicely talk about 9/11AlQuedaSaddam in one sentence?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

It's to be expected considering our president is such a genius, ya know. The master of inference and psychological manipulation via his strong grasp of the English language, that Bush guy.

:laugh:

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

There is a legal term for that - Suggestio falsi

"More commonly an arguer will allow his hearers to draw their own conclusions from his statement. When a statement itself is absolutely true, but implies something false, or leads to a seemingly obvious conclusion which, however, is false, a form of the fallacy of accent is committed--suggestio falsi (false suggestion). For example, if a student should say, "My roommate didn't take any drugs today," he could be telling a literal truth, but he is insinuating that this fact is somehow remarkable, atypical, or unusual--which, his hearers will assume, must be why he stated it. In reality, the roommate may never take drugs, and the student has not stated that his roommate ever does. Yet we can scarcely escape the seemingly automatic conclusion that the roommate must be an addict or abuser. We constantly seek contexts, cause-and-effect relationships, and implications for the statements we read or hear, and this fact is sometimes exploited by those who wish to deceive or even lie by telling only the truth."

link

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

It's to be expected considering our president is such a genius, ya know. The master of inference and psychological manipulation via his strong grasp of the English language, that Bush guy.

:laugh:

Idiot-savants do exist

Seriouly, Bush is not stupid. Foolish, but not stupid. I admire his animalistic cunning.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

It's to be expected considering our president is such a genius, ya know. The master of inference and psychological manipulation via his strong grasp of the English language, that Bush guy.

:laugh:

The genius of a man who can recognize his own shortcomings and surround himself with advisors and staff than more than make up for it...

Let them say what they want, Bush is a brilliant guy. Just perhaps not by the definition of "brilliant" that some would like.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

There is a legal term for that - Suggestio falsi

"More commonly an arguer will allow his hearers to draw their own conclusions from his statement. When a statement itself is absolutely true, but implies something false, or leads to a seemingly obvious conclusion which, however, is false, a form of the fallacy of accent is committed--suggestio falsi (false suggestion). For example, if a student should say, "My roommate didn't take any drugs today," he could be telling a literal truth, but he is insinuating that this fact is somehow remarkable, atypical, or unusual--which, his hearers will assume, must be why he stated it. In reality, the roommate may never take drugs, and the student has not stated that his roommate ever does. Yet we can scarcely escape the seemingly automatic conclusion that the roommate must be an addict or abuser. We constantly seek contexts, cause-and-effect relationships, and implications for the statements we read or hear, and this fact is sometimes exploited by those who wish to deceive or even lie by telling only the truth."

link

Now we know what Michael Moore made with F9/11 - A Suggestio Falsimentary.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: GrGr

There is a legal term for that - Suggestio falsi

"More commonly an arguer will allow his hearers to draw their own conclusions from his statement. When a statement itself is absolutely true, but implies something false, or leads to a seemingly obvious conclusion which, however, is false, a form of the fallacy of accent is committed--suggestio falsi (false suggestion). For example, if a student should say, "My roommate didn't take any drugs today," he could be telling a literal truth, but he is insinuating that this fact is somehow remarkable, atypical, or unusual--which, his hearers will assume, must be why he stated it. In reality, the roommate may never take drugs, and the student has not stated that his roommate ever does. Yet we can scarcely escape the seemingly automatic conclusion that the roommate must be an addict or abuser. We constantly seek contexts, cause-and-effect relationships, and implications for the statements we read or hear, and this fact is sometimes exploited by those who wish to deceive or even lie by telling only the truth."

link

Now we know what Michael Moore made with F9/11 - A Suggestio Falsimentary.

:laugh:

 

[jpeyton]

Back Bush, or anybody in the Bush White House, into a corner and 9/11 is their only way out.

A few hilarious examples: Scott McClellan, during a press Q&A session after the news came out that the search for WMDs was over; you can view a clip by clicking the first link in my signature.

Or how about the George and Laura interview that Barbara Walters did a few days back; Barbara asked Laura a tough question and 9/11 was the third word out of her mouth.

What a joke.

 

[GrGr]

Are you seriously comparing Moore with Bush?

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Are you seriously comparing Moore with Bush?

Seriously. One of them waged a fear-mongering campaign and managed to to pull the wool over the eyes of ~50% of the country to the advancement of his own greedy, self-serving agenda. The other one got elected...

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: GrGr
Are you seriously comparing Moore with Bush?

Seriously. One of them waged a fear-mongering campaign and managed to to pull the wool over the eyes of ~50% of the country to the advancement of his own greedy, self-serving agenda. The other one got elected...

Don't you mean re-elected? For all of Moore's alleged faults at least he isn't into murder and torture for personal gain.

 

[dahunan]

If I had to choose where the Islamic Radicals were and which Government supported and preached Death To America

A) Iraq
B) Iran

It would not have been very hard to pick Iran

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: GrGr
Are you seriously comparing Moore with Bush?

Seriously. One of them waged a fear-mongering campaign and managed to to pull the wool over the eyes of ~50% of the country to the advancement of his own greedy, self-serving agenda. The other one got elected...

Don't you mean re-elected? For all of Moore's alleged faults at least he isn't into murder and torture for personal gain.

Murder? Maybe not. Well, there was character assasination.

But it was torture watching F-9/11 all the way through.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

And routinely used by politicians of every persuasion the world over. No excuse, really, but no surprise, either.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: dahunan
If I had to choose where the Islamic Radicals were and which Government supported and preached Death To America

A) Iraq
B) Iran

It would not have been very hard to pick Iran

with any luck, they'll be next

Jason

 

[BBond]

Bush linking Iraq to 9/11?

Presidential Letter

Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

# # #

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: dahunan
If I had to choose where the Islamic Radicals were and which Government supported and preached Death To America

A) Iraq
B) Iran

It would not have been very hard to pick Iran

with any luck, they'll be next

Jason

I'd like to see the Iranian people implement regime-change before someone else has to do it.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: GrGr
Are you seriously comparing Moore with Bush?

Seriously. One of them waged a fear-mongering campaign and managed to to pull the wool over the eyes of ~50% of the country to the advancement of his own greedy, self-serving agenda. The other one got elected...

Don't you mean re-elected? For all of Moore's alleged faults at least he isn't into murder and torture for personal gain.

Murder? Maybe not. Well, there was character assasination.

But it was torture watching F-9/11 all the way through.

Oh definitely murder.

As for F9/11 I haven't seen it but I hear that American psychological torture isn't really something to get upset about nowadays.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

it wasn't directly linked, however it was strongly associated.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ciba
Thanks Beowulf. I've seen plenty of Bush and company linking Saddam/Iraq to Al Qaeda. I just haven't seen anything meeting the claim of linking them to 9/11. The latter is what I'm looking for.

I don't think an *assertion* was ever made, but rather systematic innuendos and lumping-together of words and phrases that tried to make the listeners mentally connect the two, without ever actually coming straight out and saying it.

Just as effective, but with zero accountability. Genius.

It's to be expected considering our president is such a genius, ya know. The master of inference and psychological manipulation via his strong grasp of the English language, that Bush guy.

:laugh:

The president is completely capable of reading a script.