Bush lifts all steel tariffs

Jadow

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it's gonna hurt him in a major swing state, PA, but it was the right thing to do. WTG W.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Jadow
it's gonna hurt him in a major swing state, PA, but it was the right thing to do. WTG W.
Huh? He was the one who put those tariffs in place. He only backed off when the Europeans got him by the nads at WTO.
 

Ferocious

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LOL.

He didn't do it because it was the "right" thing to do.

He did it for political reasons. There are more swing states against him (particularly Florida) in this matter then there are for him.

When he put in the tariffs the demographic was a bit the other way.

It's about votes....not what's right or wrong.
 

miguel

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I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.

Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: miguel
I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.
Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
Maybe to a Bush apologist like yourself. The new GOP: protectionism and huge government in, free trade and fiscal restraint out.
 

miguel

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: miguel
I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.
Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
Maybe to a Bush apologist like yourself. The new GOP: protectionism and huge government in, free trade and fiscal restraint out.
Funny how I always get called a Bush apologist or a sheep... I'm only pointing out that it seems regardless of what he does, people criticize him.
 

DealMonkey

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Well, he shouldn't have raised protections on the steel industry to begin with. Now that he's removed them, the net effect is ZERO. Much like Bush's other policies. ;)
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: miguel
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: miguel
I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.
Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
Maybe to a Bush apologist like yourself. The new GOP: protectionism and huge government in, free trade and fiscal restraint out.
Funny how I always get called a Bush apologist or a sheep... I'm only pointing out that it seems regardless of what he does, people criticize him.
Because it's a panderer flip-flop. He flipped to pander to the steel workers, then he flopped to pander to steel consumers and florida businesses facing retaliation from WTO.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Too bad the EU governments are still too much sissies to complain about the ban on importing genetically modified food and meat where the animal was treated against certain diseases. The exact food which the USA exports.
 

Shelly21

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Originally posted by: miguel
I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.

Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
Give me a break, so for you, if he didn't pull the tariffs, you'd prise him for fulfilling his election promise, and not fold under international pressue. And if he pull it, you'd prise him for saving more jobs.

What's wrong with pandering for votes anyway? It's almost election time.
 

rjain

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Yikes, look what GM's stock price did. As I said, it's about time the government stopped handicapping our high-value industrials in order to save our low-value, polluting industrials. I guess Caterpillar will benefit from this, too. Too bad both of these have already had a decent run-up in stock price.
 

Wag

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Oh lol 100x. He was fundraising in Pittsburgh yesterday and from the podium he said "It's nice to be in...Knowledgetown Penn".
 

miguel

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Originally posted by: Shelly21
Originally posted by: miguel
I guess if Bush didn't pull the tariffs, he'd be criticized for being too strong-armed and unilateral and not playing nice. Now that he did the opposite, he gets criticized for pandering for votes.

Your credibility meters are stuck on zero.
Give me a break, so for you, if he didn't pull the tariffs, you'd prise him for fulfilling his election promise, and not fold under international pressue. And if he pull it, you'd prise him for saving more jobs.

What's wrong with pandering for votes anyway? It's almost election time.
I neither praised nor criticized him. I was only pointing out that regardless of what he did, some people criticize him, which is kinda stupid if you ask me.
 

Shelly21

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Right, it's equally stupid to prise him for anything he does either way.


I think he did the "right" thing. ;)
 

Wag

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I think he actually said "Knowledgetown USA". They showed it on the Daily Show last night. You can tell, he was about to say Steeltown, stumbled a bit and then said "Knowledgetown". Someone know how that relates to Pittsburgh?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: miguel
I neither praised nor criticized him. I was only pointing out that regardless of what he did, some people criticize him, which is kinda stupid if you ask me.
Well I guess regardless of what he did, some people will defend him. Kinda stupid if you ask me. :p
 

miguel

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: miguel
I neither praised nor criticized him. I was only pointing out that regardless of what he did, some people criticize him, which is kinda stupid if you ask me.
Well I guess regardless of what he did, some people will defend him. Kinda stupid if you ask me. :p
Bingo.
 

Mrburns2007

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It was a no win situation but the bright note should be highlighted and that is the fact that for 20 months the tariffs existed. It had some impact on the US steel industry. 20 months is better then none but not quite the 36 months orignally planned.
 

Witling

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Miguel, no matter what any politician does, some people will be happy with it and some people will criticize. As my old PolySci prof used to say, "Politics is never nuetral." This is life. Welcome!
 

miguel

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Originally posted by: Whitling
Miguel, no matter what any politician does, some people will be happy with it and some people will criticize. As my old PolySci prof used to say, "Politics is never nuetral." This is life. Welcome!
The problem I see is that there are people in this forum that think that no matter what Bush does, he's a liar and a fool. Do you not see that? I for one, do like how Bush is doing, but I am not a sheep or an apologist. If someone would make a clear-cut argument for how Bush is doing badly, I listen. If someone proves that he (Bush) is a liar, I would listen. But it sickens me to read day in and day out, sniping attacks on his intelligence and integrity without proof or reasonable arguments. I mean, my god, the guy had a drinking problem and overcame it and became president. Yet, it's just another wound people stick things in. Give me a good argument as to how the guy is a useless drunk and I'll listen. But alas, no argument without name-calling and fallacious logic has been put forth.
 

CaptnKirk

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Still it's kinda sleezy to stand before those who he invoked the steel tarifs for
and thump his chest about how much they ment to him, then turn right around
in the next day or so, and revoke them - after he had taken his cut of the funding
for his campaign. He knew he was going to screw them, and did it without remorse.
Take the money and run. Didn't he get almost a Million for his War Chest from them ?
Can they get a refund ?
They certainly deserve a refund for the broken promise of the day before.
 

Witling

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MrBurns, this Bud's for you. "but not quite the 36 months orignally planned.". Let's assume for a moment (remember, this is fantasy), that the administration thought the sanctions were NOT a violation of the WTO rules. Why plan for only 36 months? After all, if what those dastardly foreigners are doing is unfair, why not continue to penalize them?

Personally, I would suggest as an alternative that the administation never thought the tarriffs would be upheld but hoped to get 36 months out of the legal process.
 

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