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JSt0rm

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possibly. But do you really think PJ and his opinion is worth one soldiers life? Everybody keeps looking for a reason to be there when there isn't one. You all sit there and don't think of the human impact of your idiotic ideas. Keep looking for reasons but know that more people die everyday because of your "appeasement" of bush.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
Apparently Harvey still hasn't learned that the ACCUSER is the one that has the burden of proof.

Apparently, JD50 is reading and/or mouse challenged. That actually was one of my cut and paste macros. Do you think I'd have saved it if they weren't documented facts? :roll:

I save them because you neocon liars keep repeating the same bullshit, and complete replies like that take a lot of time to write. As long as you're going to repeat the lies, the same replies disproving your bullshit are just as true as they were when I first wrote them.

I listed names, dates, facts and quotes. If you want to challenge them, go ahead. Google works, even if your own brain doesn't. :p

1. How am I a neocon?

2. You didn't prove any lies.

3. If you did prove a lie, then why in the hell are you still voting for those in congress that refuse to act on your solid proof? If you have this proof, then they must have it too. What kind of monsters refuse to act on solid evidence that the President of the United States lied to take a nation to war? You're contributing to it more than I am, seeing as I'm not voting for any of them. Put your vote where your mouth is.

Hypocrite.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
possibly. But do you really think PJ and his opinion is worth one soldiers life? Everybody keeps looking for a reason to be there when there isn't one. You all sit there and don't think of the human impact of your idiotic ideas. Keep looking for reasons but know that more people die everyday because of your "appeasement" of bush.

I'm not the one "appeasing" Bush. That would be the Democrats that you and Harveybot voted into office. Are you going to continue voting for the "appeasers" in congress?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

No kidding.
Yeah they are almost are nutty as the Pro War folks. In fact doesn't being Pro War mean wishing death on scores of people? On one side you have a few kooks wishing death on a few and on the other side you have those like ProJo wishing death on many.

Looks like now you also have an anti war kook wishing death on the majority of the country that was in favor of the war.
 

JSt0rm

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they don't have the majority - what do you expect them to do? Bush would leave the soldiers in the field to die with nothing and blame it on the dems for not funding the war. Whats really great is the loudest people for the war have either lost nothing from it or gained through profiteering.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: JD50
Apparently Harvey still hasn't learned that the ACCUSER is the one that has the burden of proof.

hands covering your eyes again?

just how is it you manage to type when your hands are covering your eyes and ears all the time?!
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: JD50

Looks like now you also have an anti war kook wishing death on the majority of the country that was in favor of the war.

dont be a fucking tool. This thing has hit closer to home for me then for most people.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: JD50
Apparently Harvey still hasn't learned that the ACCUSER is the one that has the burden of proof.

There are a lot of Americans just as perplexed as I am of why Bush has not been charged with crimes.

Also perplexed why the Corporations that own and control Bush haven't been charged with crimes but then the light bulb goes off.

Of course the hand that feeds them is not going to bite itself.

They are untouchable.

Very sad for the U.S.

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soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I think he was lied to by his advisors and he just repeated what he was told.

Bingo!

Bush is not smart enough to think of all this up by himself.


I want to make one thing clear. I was for the removal of Saddam, but not for the reasons cited by Bush. Saddam was a evil dictator that killed millions of his own people and millions of Iranians and Kuwaitis combined. The job should have been finished in 91 when I was serving in Operation Desert Storm. The international community and the elder Bush all fucked up by leaving this evil man in office.

Here is what Bush should have done in the first place.

1. Tell the truth that Saddam needs to be removed because of the deaths of millions of people attributed directly to him.

2. Negotiate with high level Baath party officials that if they want to stay in power, they will hand over Saddam.

3. If they refuse, invade and defeat the Iraqi army, but leave them intact for security reasons.

4. Restart negotiations for a peace settlement with high level Baath party officials that requires Saddam to be handed over for international war crimes.

5. Make it clear that all future Iraqi leaders will be required by the international community to adhere to international human rights standards.

6. Require the Iraqi government to gran limited autonomy to the Kurds and the Shites and that they must allow them to be equally represented in the government of Iraq.


If we would have done that instead of trying to do nation building we would have been out of Iraq years ago and at a much lower cost in money, resources and human lives.

 

JSt0rm

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I thought one of the dumbest things they did was disband the iraqi military. all one needs is a 15 minute history lesson on the area to realize that harmony isn't how the different people live together
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50

1. How am I a neocon?

Are you defending the Bushwhackos and their march to war? Are you still pimping their bullshit that they didn't lie?

2. You didn't prove any lies.

Same answer as the last time you said that. I listed names, dates, facts and quotes. If you want to challenge them, go ahead. Google works, even if your own brain doesn't. :p

3. If you did prove a lie, then why in the hell are you still voting for those in congress that refuse to act on your solid proof? If you have this proof, then they must have it too.

At the time, most of Congress had only the lies the Bushwhackos were spoon feeding them. Even then, at least a few, such as Senator Robert Byrd, spoke elequently against giving them a blank check to commit our nation to their war of lies. Do I have to repost the entire speech I quoted earlier in this thread, or can you find the mouse button to do it, yourself? :confused:

And I didn't vote for my Democratic Representative in the last elections or the recent primary. And I didn't vote for Feinstein. I wasn't going to vote for a Republican committed to supporting the Bushwhackos so I just left that section blank.

What kind of monsters refuse to act on solid evidence that the President of the United States lied to take a nation to war?

What kind of monsters pulled the trigger on that war that, as of 6/8/08, has killed 4094 American troops, wounded tens of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded and displaced hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and squandered trillions of dollars of American taxpayers' money, and all for LIES?

I'm not excusing Congress' lack of diligence in exercising their responsiblity of oversight over the executive branch, but we can deal with them after we nail those who actually authorized and committed treason, murder, torture, war crimes and other crimes against humanity while lining the pockets of their war profiteering contributor buddies.

You're contributing to it more than I am, seeing as I'm not voting for any of them. Put your vote where your mouth is.

Hypocrite.

Obviously, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground anymore than you knew how I voted before I posted it.

:lips: my (_!_)
 

XMan

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Bush lied? It only it were that easy

Of course, I'm sure I'll be bashed for sourcing from the Post, right-wing nutjob bastion that is . . . err . . . umm. Huh.

I think they're talking about the same report as Harvey . . . and they come to drastically different conclusions. Whoda thunk it.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JD50

Looks like now you also have an anti war kook wishing death on the majority of the country that was in favor of the war.

dont be a fucking tool. This thing has hit closer to home for me then for most people.

LOL, you're telling me to not be a tool, while you wish for the death of around 70 percent of the country. What a moron.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
they don't have the majority - what do you expect them to do? Bush would leave the soldiers in the field to die with nothing and blame it on the dems for not funding the war. Whats really great is the loudest people for the war have either lost nothing from it or gained through profiteering.

If there is absolute proof that Bush lied, they wouldn't need the majority. The vast majority of Americans would be calling for Bush's head on a plate if that were the case. Congress wouldn't have a choice but to impeach Bush and bring him up on charges.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: XMan
Bush lied? It only it were that easy

Of course, I'm sure I'll be bashed for sourcing from the Post, right-wing nutjob bastion that is . . . err . . . umm. Huh.

I think they're talking about the same report as Harvey . . . and they come to drastically different conclusions. Whoda thunk it.

Do you have long term memory lapses... say, over the last six years or so? The Bushwhacko lies, distortions and misinformation and disinformation have been documented all along the way. The only difference over time has been the number of lies, distortions and misinformation and disinformation and the amount of evidence to prove they were lies, distortions and misinformation and disinformation.

Then, there's the matter of the crimes they've committed to further their agenda.
  • Do you deny they've tortured anyone?
  • Do you deny they've kidnapped, held, tortured and killed any innocent people?
  • Do you deny they've violated the rights of American citizens with unwarranted domestic spying?
Do I have to dredge up another saved file documenting more of their crimes, or can you settle for doing your own homework to see the evidence I and others have been posting for years?

If you can't answer with an absolute, unequivocal NO, can you give any reason why they shouldn't be held to answer for their crimes?

If you still think the answer is, "NO," please prove it, or STFU.
 

ProfJohn

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That is awesome Harvey, someone provides an article that questions the "Bush lied" line of attack you use and your response is to start bitching about torture and other stuff.

And yet you go around and accusing everyone else of trying to distract people...
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
they don't have the majority - what do you expect them to do? Bush would leave the soldiers in the field to die with nothing and blame it on the dems for not funding the war. Whats really great is the loudest people for the war have either lost nothing from it or gained through profiteering.

If there is absolute proof that Bush lied, they wouldn't need the majority. The vast majority of Americans would be calling for Bush's head on a plate if that were the case. Congress wouldn't have a choice but to impeach Bush and bring him up on charges.

Kucinich is up there right now reading his 35-count articles of impeachment against Bush. Let's see if any of the other pussies in the House join in.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: XMan
Bush lied? It only it were that easy

Of course, I'm sure I'll be bashed for sourcing from the Post, right-wing nutjob bastion that is . . . err . . . umm. Huh.

I think they're talking about the same report as Harvey . . . and they come to drastically different conclusions. Whoda thunk it.

read that this morning. looks like the preamble to the report isn't substantiated by the body of the report.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
That is awesome Harvey, someone provides an article that questions the "Bush lied" line of attack you use and your response is to start bitching about torture and other stuff.

And yet you go around and accusing everyone else of trying to distract people...

Looking in the mirror lately?

But really tho, if we didn't have people like you around here PJ... We would have no arguments! :) Oh and JD50 and a few other die hard neo-cons....
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
That is awesome Harvey, someone provides an article that questions the "Bush lied" line of attack you use and your response is to start bitching about torture and other stuff.

And yet you go around and accusing everyone else of trying to distract people...

If you're referring to my previous post replying to XMan, in case you didn't notice, the Bushwhackos' lies were, and continue to be, about their treason, muder, torture, war crimes and war profiteering, and my question to him was whether he denied that your Traitor In Chief committed them. That makes it directly on topic and responsive to his post.

Thanks for yet another excellent example of your usual sycophantic Bushwhacko lies, distortions and distractions. :thumbsdown: :|
 

yuppiejr

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Did you guys hear about George W. Bush clubbing the last living baby Monk seal to death? Bastard didn't even invite me over for the BBQ, though I heard he mailed Harvey a thong crafted from it's pelt.

I'd give this rant a 6/10, the whole bushwackos thing kind of interrupts the flow of anger I'm picking up on and makes me chuckle just a little louder... which kind of wrecks the evil conservative high I normally get while reading the mental thrashings poor liberal kicking and screaming on the imaginary floor while spouting their hatred for all things GWB.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: yuppiejr
Did you guys hear about George W. Bush clubbing the last living baby Monk seal to death? Bastard didn't even invite me over for the BBQ, though I heard he mailed Harvey a thong crafted from it's pelt.

:lips: my (_!_).

I'd give this rant a 6/10, the whole bushwackos thing kind of interrupts the flow of anger I'm picking up on and makes me chuckle just a little louder... which kind of wrecks the evil conservative high I normally get while reading the mental thrashings poor liberal kicking and screaming on the imaginary floor while spouting their hatred for all things GWB.

Treason, murder, torture, war crimes and war profiteering is funny to you? :shocked:

I'd give your post a 0/10. You're another who is either dumber than a rock or one of the traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers... or both. :thumbsdown: :|
 

Stoneburner

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Fred Hiatt has credibility on this issue?

So many posts here on P&N suffer from information underdose. The main symptom of information underdose is barking overdose.
 

yuppiejr

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: yuppiejr
Did you guys hear about George W. Bush clubbing the last living baby Monk seal to death? Bastard didn't even invite me over for the BBQ, though I heard he mailed Harvey a thong crafted from it's pelt.

:lips: my (_!_).

I'd give this rant a 6/10, the whole bushwackos thing kind of interrupts the flow of anger I'm picking up on and makes me chuckle just a little louder... which kind of wrecks the evil conservative high I normally get while reading the mental thrashings poor liberal kicking and screaming on the imaginary floor while spouting their hatred for all things GWB.

Treason, murder, torture, war crimes and war profiteering is funny to you? :shocked:

I'd give your post a 0/10. You're another who is either dumber than a rock or one of the traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers... or both. :thumbsdown: :|


It almost sounds like you are saying "you are either with us or against us!" Somehow rings familiar...

The only idiots in this thread are those who believe for a second that ANY politician isn't lying through their teeth regardless of what letter comes after their name. Your sudden shock and dismay resulting in this garbage thread after 8 f-ing years rings naive - don't you people have any new and exciting "smoking man" plots to tear your hair out over? If I'm going to do you the favor of reading and snickering at the liberal angst in the ATP&N forums on my lunch break you could at least throw out some original material.

Sad truth: As much as you foam at the mouth types love to demonize Bush he's no better or worse than most politicians in Washington today, get over it.



 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Sad truth: As much as you foam at the mouth types love to demonize Bush he's no better or worse than most politicians in Washington today, get over it.

You ARE joking, or you have absolutely NO sense of proportionality.

All lies are lies, but all lies are not equal. By your standards, Clinton's lie about Monica's blow job was as bad as the Bushwhackos' lies about murdering 4,094 (as of 6/8/08) Amercan troops and wounding tens of thousands more in their war of lies and shredding the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under the U.S. Consitution. :roll: