Bush is unreal.

[Martin]

I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

 

[DealMonkey]

Patriotic platitudes. Lovely... It's almost like he's got to work in as many patriotic words as possible: Liberty, Freedom, blah blah blah.

 

[KenGr]

I don't see anything there I disagree with.

 

[ReiAyanami]

is it better than "We made a mistake, our soldiers died in vain. Let's spit on them when they get back"

the administration and the people have learned from the vietnam war to always support the troops.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do. Some of us are PROUD of our military sions, daughter, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for what they believe in. And even if they don't, they still do what is asked of them. Because that is the path they decided was best for them.

Now to be truthful with you, you have got no right to say sh!t about it. You aren't even in this country, and unless you moved to canada from the states you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do. Some of us are PROUD of our military sions, daughter, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for what they believe in. And even if they don't, they still do what is asked of them. Because that is the path they decided was best for them.

Now to be truthful with you, you have got no right to say sh!t about it. You aren't even in this country, and unless you moved to canada from the states you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU.

FIRST OF ALL

YOU STFU. you say he has no rigth to criticize america, yet your pompous president has the right to liberate Iraqis?
Give me a break. Your bravery is all an illusion in your mind. THere's nothing brave about throwing missiles on innocent people 20,000 feet in the air. that's not brave. that's murder, and i don't care how well your president sugarcoats it for your dense mind.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do. Some of us are PROUD of our military sions, daughter, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for what they believe in. And even if they don't, they still do what is asked of them. Because that is the path they decided was best for them.

Now to be truthful with you, you have got no right to say sh!t about it. You aren't even in this country, and unless you moved to canada from the states you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU.

Who's to say he has "no right" to criticize another country's president? We (as Americans) involve ourselves in other countries affairs constantly and consistently, and we all (in P&N) dish out a great deal of criticism for other governments, nations, and cultures. To simply dismiss his opinion because he's not American is infantile.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

yes, if by trial you mean a kangaroo court filled with self-righteous hypocrites who've assumed the guilt of the accused
before they're seated and are just waiting for the boring ceremony to end so they can hang them.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

nope nice try - we are not stupid

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearl and Wolfowitz should be on trial for war crimes against Iraqis AND American soldiers
I hold them directly responsible for the death of Iraqis AND American / British soldiers

Bush-lite is different, he should be on trial for being plain stupid

 

[smashp]

The modern blowhard Republicans you hear daily are covering themselves with the flag, Using Patiotism and Ideals as deflectionary points to any arguments posed towards actions or Motives.

The largest blowhard out there, Sean Hannity, has had fundraisers for fallen GI's children. Although this is noble, the motive is to purely paint him and his like as Sole supporters of American soldiers, appealing to ones emotions rather than their heads.

Where was Sean hannity during Kosovo. The Extreme Criticism he gave to that operation by his own modern Standards, Would be un-patriotic and in ann coulters's opinion "Treasonous".

but I am already stating what intelligent people from every political spectrum already know.

Sean Hannity is a emotional propagandist who is a blowhard hypocrit whose only purpose is to brainwash people to his political ideology no matter what.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

nope nice try - we are not stupid

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearl and Wolfowitz should be on trial for war crimes against Iraqis AND American soldiers
I hold them directly responsible for the death of Iraqis AND American / British soldiers

Bush-lite is different, he should be on trial for being plain stupid

KK

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

nope nice try - we are not stupid

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pearl and Wolfowitz should be on trial for war crimes against Iraqis AND American soldiers
I hold them directly responsible for the death of Iraqis AND American / British soldiers

Bush-lite is different, he should be on trial for being plain stupid

KK

you see I can also use the rolling eyes

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wish those in the Government loved and cherished our Soldiers as much as the American Public did.

If by American Public you mean Anandtech P&N people, our soldiers would probably be on trial for war crimes.

In case you didn't see this post in the other thread Crimson

Look puppet, I supported the Invasion and occupation when the Dub got up in front of the nation and told us that Iraq was an imminent danger to the US because of the WMDs he possessed, the Nuclear Program that he had under way and his alleged ties to Al Qaeda. Now that it seems he misrepresented the facts (serves me right for believing him) we are there and it would be totally foolish for us to just pull out. Unfortunately it seems the Rummy and his crew underestimated what it would take to do this job right. Of course he and Herr Wolfowitz aren't paying the price for their blunder, it's the American Soldier who is. Now for you to defend them (the Neo Cons) out of Partisan loyalty is not only ignorant but an insult to the brave American Soldiers who are risking their life and limbs because of their (Neo Cons) deceit.

I love America and even more I love our service people who willingly sacrifice themselves for our freedom and it really pisses me off that they are being hung out to dry for some sinister fsckheads agenda. WTF, if you are going to use them as pawns at least give them the funds and support so they can protect their ass.

You are the asshole who only cares about your party. I don't for one second believe that lowlifes like you give a rats ass about the young men and women who are putting their lives on the line for your "Boys" great adventure. I also don't believe you when you say that you would be the first to sign up and defend our country. You are all talk and no action just like the Chicken Hawks we have running this war. It's easy to pretend you are Patriotic when it isn't your ass on the line

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

Now you know why some of the europeans dont like americans...

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do.
Now to be truthful with you, you have got no right to say sh!t about it. You aren't even in this country, and unless you moved to canada from the states you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU.

"What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do."

"...you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU."

Maybe you should read your posts before you post them...

 

[UnemployedMay2001]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
I don't know if he's cruel and arrogant, or actually believes in the stuff he says.

"We have got a great United States military,'' the president said in Alabama. "And some of the best have fallen in service to our fellow Americans.
"We mourn every loss. We honour every name. We grieve with every family. And we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders.''
Liberty's home is America, Bush said to sustained applause.
"We're freedom's defender,'' he said. "We understand that the advance of human liberty is in our national interest.''

I mean, if someone close to me had gotten killed in Iraq and the guy reponsible for this whole mess gave a speech full of clichéd freedom remarks, I'd be really really pissed.

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do. Some of us are PROUD of our military sions, daughter, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for what they believe in..

Oh STFU yourself noob. What you fail to see is not everyone in this country subscribes to your Kill Them All mentality. You would be singing quite a different tune if you were in the deserts of Iraq right now. But you are not. There you sit in the safety of your Mom and Dads house cowardly typing your inane drivel on the keyboard that they bought you. If you believe so strongly in "war", get off your fat, lazy a$$, enlist and go over there and paint a little bull's-eye on your microcephalic head. Until then, again, STFU noob.

Pwned.

 

[maluckey]

As a former soldier, and disabled veteran, I have a different point of view than most of the immature people that spout off in these forums.

I would follow my leader down the barrel of a loaded gun if asked to do so for my country. I would, so that that the rest of the pathetic knee-jerk idiots could go on spouting the crap that they spew. My attitude is common for a Combat MOS soldier. I wouldn't want to live in terror, and I assume that nobody else in the U.S. would either. Get your head out of the sand, and protest something that helps people be better humans, like genocide in Africa, ethnic cleansing, racism in America, or the erosion of family values world-wide. The United States is not your enemy, you are.

Liberals spout Anti-Bush rhetoric till they are blue, but when they and their cronies sent a few thousand troops to Somalia to quell a civil war then, cut and ran from genocide when they weren't immediately successfull in defeating the millions of combatants, nobody screamed. Task force Smith, comes to mind, but I doubt that any on this forum, even know about that history lesson. When they ordered non-stop bombing of Kosovo, nobody shed a tear. I guess it's because liberals think about themselves and this self entitlement is all-consuming.

The United States has the power to save millions of lives, or to take them. We saved millions in Iraq, and allowed a better future for them, regardless of the reasons or motives. The soldiers that fought and died for the Iraqi people, did so voluntarily. You all degrade my opinion of humanity by thinking that a single soldiers life is more important than thousands of innocents saved. Saddam was a thug! Protest the oppressive policies in Cuba, or the corruption in Mexico. Do something useful for a change.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
is it better than "We made a mistake, our soldiers died in vain. Let's spit on them when they get back"

the administration and the people have learned from the vietnam war to always support the troops.

Those are four words you'll never see spoken from this administration. Whether true or not.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

People like you will never understand. Ever. What you fail to see is that not everyone thinks the way you do. Some of us are PROUD of our military sions, daughter, brothers, sisters, fathers and mothers who are willing to sacrifice thier lives for what they believe in. And even if they don't, they still do what is asked of them. Because that is the path they decided was best for them.

Now to be truthful with you, you have got no right to say sh!t about it. You aren't even in this country, and unless you moved to canada from the states you are not even a citizen and therefore have even less right to complain about OUR president. So STFU.

Is that really truthful, Wheezer?

So whenever someone complains about Putin, Chirac, etc, they really haven't the right to do so?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: maluckey
As a former soldier, and disabled veteran, I have a different point of view than most of the immature people that spout off in these forums.

I would follow my leader down the barrel of a loaded gun if asked to do so for my country. I would, so that that the rest of the pathetic knee-jerk idiots could go on spouting the crap that they spew. My attitude is common for a Combat MOS soldier. I wouldn't want to live in terror, and I assume that nobody else in the U.S. would either. Get your head out of the sand, and protest something that helps people be better humans, like genocide in Africa, ethnic cleansing, racism in America, or the erosion of family values world-wide. The United States is not your enemy, you are.

Liberals spout Anti-Bush rhetoric till they are blue, but when they and their cronies sent a few thousand troops to Somalia to quell a civil war then, cut and ran from genocide when they weren't immediately successfull in defeating the millions of combatants, nobody screamed. Task force Smith, comes to mind, but I doubt that any on this forum, even know about that history lesson. When they ordered non-stop bombing of Kosovo, nobody shed a tear. I guess it's because liberals think about themselves and this self entitlement is all-consuming.

The United States has the power to save millions of lives, or to take them. We saved millions in Iraq, and allowed a better future for them, regardless of the reasons or motives. The soldiers that fought and died for the Iraqi people, did so voluntarily. You all degrade my opinion of humanity by thinking that a single soldiers life is more important than thousands of innocents saved. Saddam was a thug! Protest the oppressive policies in Cuba, or the corruption in Mexico. Do something useful for a change.

This is the part many are upset about. Some folks can't understand how others can say things like this..."Good came of it so the reasons/motives are unimportant. The fact that we may have been misled/lied to is unimportant, Saddam is gone."

You have my thanks for your service and sacrifice....I have disabled vets in my family. But, many think that the boys in Iraq who gave as much as you, and sadly some gave the ultimate sacrifice, did so unneccessarily.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: maluckey
As a former soldier, and disabled veteran, I have a different point of view than most of the immature people that spout off in these forums.

I too am a DAV and spent over 14 out of 20 years service in combat arms. While I agree with some of your comments, I harbor slightly different views on others. Please see below.

[...]

Liberals spout Anti-Bush rhetoric till they are blue, but when they and their cronies sent a few thousand troops to Somalia to quell a civil war then, cut and ran from genocide when they weren't immediately successfull in defeating the millions of combatants, nobody screamed.

The problem with your statement is this: Former President George HW Bush actually ordered U.S. troops to Somalia. The announcement was made during Thanksgiving weekend of 1992 a few weeks AFTER he was defeated by Clinton in the '92 election. Marines began arriving in Somalia during early December, 1992. I remember the time well because my unit was on alert for deployment. In all fairness, former president Clinton inherited a mess from the previous administration.

Task force Smith, comes to mind, but I doubt that any on this forum, even know about that history lesson.

TF Smith was indeed a disaster under Truman. However, we can also lay equal blame on the U.S. Army chain-of-command in Japan at the time.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
is it better than "We made a mistake, our soldiers died in vain. Let's spit on them when they get back"

the administration and the people have learned from the vietnam war to always support the troops.

Those are four words you'll never see spoken from this administration. Whether true or not.

Any administration, whether true or not.

 

[tallest1]

Yay, more "Liberals hate America" posts!

Listen up. Just because I am against the war doesn't mean I am pro-Sadaam. It doesn't mean I'm anti-soldier. It doesn't mean I'm against helping people. But in case you forgot, war isn't always the answer. Your high and mighty leader broke more international treaties than any president in US history. Does that make you feel nice and cozy inside? Do you feel happy that other countries can use OUR logic to "liberate the palestinian/Americans/South-Koreans/what-have-you"?

I agree that there is a mess in Iraq and I thank God for every soldier there. Hell, I'd support our troops if we declared war on Europe. But for you republicans to wrap yourselves in a flag and accuse us of hating our own people is dead wrong. We hate the war, therefore we have beef with Bush, not our troops. But to see Bush hiding the realities of war by banning the media from funerals, from pretending the Iraqis want us there, from using pathetic 9-11/freedom rheteric to get what he wants, from giving the international community the middle finger and then doing it again when they don't help, and then from blaming the CIA and his own people for his faults, he hits on my bad side. 15 million people simultaneously protested against this war. Would you like to say, they're all Anti-american too? How about the UN? They don't know jack do they? World peace? Nah, we don't need them. We can do it ourselves.

And gawd, need I even mention how our arogant acts are breeding even more terrorists? Those future terrorists are going to go for your children while they're still paying the bill for this war.

Lets just round up everyone who hates us and "our freedoms" ('cause terrorists HATE freedom and LOVE chaos *rolls eyes*) and kill 'em all. That way everyone will love us. Yeah..... right.

I seriously would like to know what it would take for you neocons to actually hate your president. Peace must get you folks antsy or something.