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Bush is on another Crusade against Muslims.

Narmer

Diamond Member
1. First he invaded Afghanistan with all his Christian friends. All went well until the uprising began.

2. Next, he invaded Iraq with all his Christian friends. Except for the first two weeks, nothing has gone right and America is getting much more than a bloody nose here. They're losing their shirt in the process.

3. Then he supports his Jewish friends in their summer war against Islamic fighters. In the end Israel got humbled and a bloody nose.

4. Now he's supporting his Christian friends in Ethiopia against Islamic fighters that have helped stabilized Somalis.

This Goddamed President either has his head in the clouds, daydreaming, or he's been drinking from the same well as AIPAC, where delusions and paranoia are a normality. This fool, he's a curse on America and destroying our credibility worldwide. This guy makes the terrorists look like reasonable people.

All this begs the question: Who will America turn their anger towards when there's another massive terror attack?
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Somalia?s Islamists and Ethiopia Gird for a War

MOGADISHU, Somalia, Dec. 9 ? The stadium was packed, the guns were cocked and even the drenching rain could not douse the jihadist fire.

Thousands of Somalis, from fully veiled, machine-gun-toting women to little boys in baggy fatigues, gathered Friday to rally against what they called foreign aggression. As a squall blew in, they punched wet fists into the air and yelled, ?Allahu akbar,? or ?God is great.?

?I am ready to die,? said Osama Abdi Rahim, dressed head to toe in camouflage and marching around with a loaded rifle. He is 7 years old.

The inevitability of war hangs over Mogadishu, Somalia?s bullet-pocked seaside capital. But unlike the internal anarchy that has consumed the country for 15 years, the looming battle is now with Ethiopia, threatening to further destabilize the troubled Horn of Africa.

In the past week the increasingly militant Islamists in control of Mogadishu and much of the rest of the country have begun a food drive, a money drive and an AK-47 assault rifle drive, and have sent doctors and nurses, along with countless young soldiers, to the front lines.

For its part, Ethiopia, with tacit approval from the United States, has been steadily slipping soldiers across the border, trying to hold off the Islamists and shore up Somalia?s weak, unpopular and divided transitional government.

Though that government has been recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate authority in Somalia, its power barely extends to the municipal limits of Baidoa, the inland town where it is based.

The Islamist forces, on the other hand, seem to be very popular here, having defeated Mogadishu?s warlords earlier this year to pacify one of the world?s most murderous cities.

Their troops, which United Nations officials say are secretly getting weapons from several Arab countries and Eritrea, have encircled Baidoa and are vowing to wage war against the Ethiopian forces unless they leave. Ethiopian convoys have been attacked, and the Islamists recently skirmished with soldiers from Baidoa, with dozens reported killed. That taste of war seems to have whetted the appetite for more.

?We wait for the Ethiopians like dry land waits for rain,? said Mustafa Ali Mohammed, an Islamic leader in Burhakaba, a town near the dividing line between the Islamists and Baidoa.

Analysts are unanimous that a full-scale conflict between the Islamists and Ethiopia, a country with a strong Christian identity, would be disastrous for Somalia, which is already suffering from severe flooding and years of neglect, and for the region as a whole, because neighboring countries may jump in.

Gen. John P. Abizaid of United States Central Command ? or Centcom ? which has responsibility for American military interests in the region, recently flew to Ethiopia to meet with Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, who had told American officials that he could cripple the Islamist forces ?in one to two weeks.?

Walking a careful line, General Abizaid made it clear that a broad military invasion of Somalia could create a humanitarian crisis across the Horn of Africa, Centcom officials said, but did not tell Ethiopian officials to pull their troops out.

Indeed, some American officials say the United States supports Ethiopia?s military buildup because they feel it is the only way to protect the weak Baidoa government from being overrun, force the Islamists to the negotiating table and contain what they call a growing regional threat.

American officials have accused the Islamists of sheltering terrorists connected to Al Qaeda, but the Ethiopian troops? presence seems to have only increased the potential for terrorist activity. Suicide bombers, unknown in Somalia until a few months ago, have attacked Baidoa twice recently, and last month the first Iraqstyle roadside bombs were detonated against Ethiopian convoys.

Residents of Mogadishu say hundreds of fighters from other Muslim countries have arrived at the city?s main airport in recent days, drawn by the Islamists? blaring call for a holy war against Ethiopia and against America, which is especially despised here.

Memories are still fresh of the botched American-led relief operation in the early 1990s, and more recently of the covert American effort to bolster Mogadishu?s warlords in an 11th-hour bid to prevent an Islamist takeover. That strategy backfired, driving more people into the arms of the Islamists.

?I?ll be honest,? said Sheik Muktar Robow Abu Monsur, the deputy security chief for the Islamists. ?America is the best friend of Islam. It wakes up the sleeping Muslim.?

In fact, Jendayi Frazer, the State Department?s top official for Africa policy, said diplomatic and intelligence officials believed that the Islamists could be trying to provoke an Ethiopian attack as a "rallying cry for support" to their side. The countries fought a war from 1977 to 1978 over the Ogaden, a contested area of eastern Ethiopia ? and Somalia lost.

"If this thing goes to a military fight,? Ms. Frazer said, ?it?s a bloodbath."

American officials helped push through a recent United Nations resolution authorizing peacekeepers from African countries to back up the Baidoa officials. The resolution lets the Baidoa government, but not the Islamists, bring in weapons despite a longstanding arms embargo.

The problem with that strategy, many analysts say, is that it misreads the Islamists? power, rooted not so much in their military strength ? a few hundred armed pickup trucks and a few thousand fighters ? but in their popular support. The Islamists emerged several years ago as a network of clan-based courts that unified warring factions.

Ethiopia may have the strongest military in the region, trained by American advisers and complete with jet fighters, but attacking Islamist forces may only drive them underground, into a guerrilla insurgency.

American officials have said they are hoping that the moderates within the Islamic administration will prevail over hard-line, war-mongering elements. But if there ever was such a struggle, it is over.

Three months ago, Ibrahim Hassan Addou, the foreign minister for the Islamists and an American citizen of Somali descent, talked of sharing power and holding elections.

Now, like the others, he is talking war, in terms nearly indistinguishable from the most militant Islamic leaders. Moderates, he said, were backed into a corner by an American-led campaign to discredit and isolate the Islamic administration.

?Everybody was against us from the beginning, and now we have no choice but to fight,? he said. ?What I don?t understand is why the whole world is trying to throw its weight behind a government that has been totally rejected by its own people.?

United Nations officials say they support the government in Baidoa because it is the most representative of the various clans in Somalia. But one side effect of the multi-clan approach has been ceaseless disputes between clan elders. Meanwhile, the Islamists have aggressively expanded their territory.

Many officials in Baidoa vehemently opposed calling on Ethiopian muscle, fearing a backlash. In the past some Somali clans have teamed up with Ethiopian forces to dominate other clans, ending in greater bloodshed. So when the idea of bringing Ethiopian soldiers to Baidoa was first proposed last year, it proved so divisive that it set off a brawl among officials ? and it failed to pass.

?The problem with having Ethiopians defend us is that they make us look like the puppets that the Islamists accuse us of being,? said Sharif Hassan Sheik Aden, the speaker of the parliament in Baidoa. Ethiopian officials insist that they have sent only a few hundred military advisers to Baidoa, but United Nation monitors and witnesses on the ground say several thousand Ethiopian infantry troops are digging in near the city.

Sporadic peace talks between Baidoa officials and the Islamists have produced little but broken promises. The only thing that seems to be delaying all-out war is the mutual recognition that a decisive victory is unlikely.

The Islamists are reluctant to march on Baidoa and trigger a crushing Ethiopian response, while the Ethiopians seem fearful of trying to storm the Islamists? stronghold of Mogadishu, the city that claimed the lives of 18 American soldiers in the infamous ?Black Hawk Down? battle in 1993.

A growing number of Democrats in Congress are urging the Bush administration to change course and deal with the Islamists for what they are: the power on the ground.

?The Islamists aren?t going away, so the sooner we talk to them, the better,? said Representative Donald M. Payne, the New Jersey Democrat who is expected to become the chairman of the House subcommittee on Africa when his party takes control of Congress in January.

In Mogadishu the Islamists are continuing their hearts-and-minds campaign, organizing neighborhood cleanups, delivering food to the needy and resuscitating old national institutions like the Supreme Court, which was given a fresh coat of paint and reopened in October.

Streets that were clogged with years of debris are now clear and bureaucracy is budding, with more rules and more paperwork, including forms at the airport that ask name, age, nationality and religion ? Muslim or non-Muslim being the only choices.

All the talk of slaughtering Ethiopian invaders and their American sponsors, though, seems to have brought out a harsher side of the Islamic administration. Nearly every day, rings of people gather on Mogadishu?s streets to watch lashings, and the crowds cheer as leather whips cut canals into flesh. One Islamic leader in a town north of Mogadishu recently issued an edict threatening that anyone who did not pray five times a day would be beheaded.

?It?s black and white,? said the leader, Hussein Barre Rage. ?The Koran says people must pray.?

Not long ago Somalia was a place where women wore skirts and men drank beer, and even today a large chunk of the population is quietly concerned about the absolutist direction the Islamists are heading in.

But the prospects of war with Ethiopia seem to have pushed many of these people solidly into the Islamic camp.

?I?m not into thought control,? said Dahir Abdullahi Hirsi, a pharmacist in Mogadishu. ?But I hate Ethiopians even more.?

 
All the talk of slaughtering Ethiopian invaders and their American sponsors, though, seems to have brought out a harsher side of the Islamic administration. Nearly every day, rings of people gather on Mogadishu?s streets to watch lashings, and the crowds cheer as leather whips cut canals into flesh. One Islamic leader in a town north of Mogadishu recently issued an edict threatening that anyone who did not pray five times a day would be beheaded.

?It?s black and white,? said the leader, Hussein Barre Rage. ?The Koran says people must pray.?

Not long ago Somalia was a place where women wore skirts and men drank beer, and even today a large chunk of the population is quietly concerned about the absolutist direction the Islamists are heading in.

But the prospects of war with Ethiopia seem to have pushed many of these people solidly into the Islamic camp.

?I?m not into thought control,? said Dahir Abdullahi Hirsi, a pharmacist in Mogadishu. ?But I hate Ethiopians even more.?

The religion of peace beats people into submission.
 
I read about how bad things are a couple weeks ago in TIME. The fundamentalists have brought order and since the Somali's have been without for so long they are welcoming it for the most part.

This is of course bad, but when we pulled out so did the rest of the world and you can expect radical ideology's to take root.

The only thing they seem to be butting heads on is that they are outlawing khat, which means the dope fiends are up in arms.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
I read about how bad things are a couple weeks ago in TIME. The fundamentalists have brought order and since the Somali's have been without for so long they are welcoming it for the most part.

This is of course bad, but when we pulled out so did the rest of the world and you can expect radical ideology's to take root.

The only thing they seem to be butting heads on is that they are outlawing khat, which means the dope fiends are up in arms.

The same thing happened in Afghanistan when the Taliban outlawed opium growing. Today, it's thriving.

At the very least, these Somali Islamists are far more moderate than the Taliban and America should help them brin stability back to their country. Instead, Bush, in his infinite wisdom, refuses to speak to them and supports a weak and insignificant government instead.
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
Everything he touches turns to mercury
No, mercury isn't that brown and doesn't smell that bad. Buschwhacko is actuall the King Midas of drek.
1. First he invaded Afghanistan with all his Christian friends. All went well until the uprising began.
Bush was right to send our military after Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. That's where those who hit us on 9-11 and those who were supporting them were, and the rest of the world, including the most of the civilized Arab and Mustim world. If he'd stuck with completing that job, instead of diverting our resources into his monummental jackoff exercise in Iraq, he might have been a hero.

I'm afraid you've got your sites far too narrow by focusing on "his Christian friends," but that's pretty typical for your posts. OTOH, Bush, himself has made too much of his professed belief in Christianity, and it hasn't served his credibility well, at all, outside of the ultra religious whackos to whom he panders.
2. Next, he invaded Iraq with all his Christian friends. Except for the first two weeks, nothing has gone right and America is getting much more than a bloody nose here. They're losing their shirt in the process.
I agree again, excepting your focus on the Christian angle.
3. Then he supports his Jewish friends in their summer war against Islamic fighters. In the end Israel got humbled and a bloody nose.
Damn, you're anti-semitic. Israel's done enough of their own wrong, but if you can't acknowledge the immediate provocations by Hamas from Lebanon, you're way too myopic to have much objectivity about that battle, let alone the entire dynamic between Israel and the Muslim world. The worst thing they did in their most recent incursion into Lebanon was similar to Bush's actions in Iraq. They went after civilian targets, instead of focusing on getting the kidnappers and rocket launchers, and they underestimated what it would take to do the job, even if they'd defined it correctly.
4. Now he's supporting his Christian friends in Ethiopia against Islamic fighters that have helped stabilized Somalis.
From the scant reports I've heard, those "Islamic fighters" may be closely tied to Al Qaeda. Given Bush's disregard the truth, I wouldn't take his word for anything, but allowing Al Qaeda to become a dominant force in another region of the world is not in anyone's interest, including the rational Muslim world.

The worst part of it is, his fiasco in Iraq has stetched our military forces so thin that it raises doubts whether we would actually be able to take actions necessary to defend our legitimate interests.
This Goddamed President either has his head in the clouds, daydreaming, or he's been drinking from the same well as AIPAC, where delusions and paranoia are a normality.
Those aren't clouds. They're his fluffy white gluteal cheeks. If he farted at the wrong time, he'd give himself a nose bleed.
This fool, he's a curse on America and destroying our credibility worldwide.
Agreed.
This guy makes the terrorists look like reasonable people.
No, he's just another terrorist, and in his own way, he's as bad as the Islamic terrorists who attacked us. His wrongs in no way justify theirs. He has squandered the credibility he'd need to get the support of the American people or the rest of the world when he happens to be right (probably though dumb luck) and really needs it.
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
1. First he invaded Afghanistan with all his Christian friends. All went well until the uprising began.

2. Next, he invaded Iraq with all his Christian friends. Except for the first two weeks, nothing has gone right and America is getting much more than a bloody nose here. They're losing their shirt in the process.

3. Then he supports his Jewish friends in their summer war against Islamic fighters. In the end Israel got humbled and a bloody nose.

4. Now he's supporting his Christian friends in Ethiopia against Islamic fighters that have helped stabilized Somalis.

This Goddamed President either has his head in the clouds, daydreaming, or he's been drinking from the same well as AIPAC, where delusions and paranoia are a normality. This fool, he's a curse on America and destroying our credibility worldwide. This guy makes the terrorists look like reasonable people.

All this begs the question: Who will America turn their anger towards when there's another massive terror attack?
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Somalia?s Islamists and Ethiopia Gird for a War

MOGADISHU, Somalia, Dec. 9 ? The stadium was packed, the guns were cocked and even the drenching rain could not douse the jihadist fire.

Thousands of Somalis, from fully veiled, machine-gun-toting women to little boys in baggy fatigues, gathered Friday to rally against what they called foreign aggression. As a squall blew in, they punched wet fists into the air and yelled, ?Allahu akbar,? or ?God is great.?

?I am ready to die,? said Osama Abdi Rahim, dressed head to toe in camouflage and marching around with a loaded rifle. He is 7 years old.

The inevitability of war hangs over Mogadishu, Somalia?s bullet-pocked seaside capital. But unlike the internal anarchy that has consumed the country for 15 years, the looming battle is now with Ethiopia, threatening to further destabilize the troubled Horn of Africa.

In the past week the increasingly militant Islamists in control of Mogadishu and much of the rest of the country have begun a food drive, a money drive and an AK-47 assault rifle drive, and have sent doctors and nurses, along with countless young soldiers, to the front lines.

For its part, Ethiopia, with tacit approval from the United States, has been steadily slipping soldiers across the border, trying to hold off the Islamists and shore up Somalia?s weak, unpopular and divided transitional government.

Though that government has been recognized by the United Nations as the legitimate authority in Somalia, its power barely extends to the municipal limits of Baidoa, the inland town where it is based.

The Islamist forces, on the other hand, seem to be very popular here, having defeated Mogadishu?s warlords earlier this year to pacify one of the world?s most murderous cities.

Their troops, which United Nations officials say are secretly getting weapons from several Arab countries and Eritrea, have encircled Baidoa and are vowing to wage war against the Ethiopian forces unless they leave. Ethiopian convoys have been attacked, and the Islamists recently skirmished with soldiers from Baidoa, with dozens reported killed. That taste of war seems to have whetted the appetite for more.

?We wait for the Ethiopians like dry land waits for rain,? said Mustafa Ali Mohammed, an Islamic leader in Burhakaba, a town near the dividing line between the Islamists and Baidoa.

Analysts are unanimous that a full-scale conflict between the Islamists and Ethiopia, a country with a strong Christian identity, would be disastrous for Somalia, which is already suffering from severe flooding and years of neglect, and for the region as a whole, because neighboring countries may jump in.

Gen. John P. Abizaid of United States Central Command ? or Centcom ? which has responsibility for American military interests in the region, recently flew to Ethiopia to meet with Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, who had told American officials that he could cripple the Islamist forces ?in one to two weeks.?

Walking a careful line, General Abizaid made it clear that a broad military invasion of Somalia could create a humanitarian crisis across the Horn of Africa, Centcom officials said, but did not tell Ethiopian officials to pull their troops out.

Indeed, some American officials say the United States supports Ethiopia?s military buildup because they feel it is the only way to protect the weak Baidoa government from being overrun, force the Islamists to the negotiating table and contain what they call a growing regional threat.

American officials have accused the Islamists of sheltering terrorists connected to Al Qaeda, but the Ethiopian troops? presence seems to have only increased the potential for terrorist activity. Suicide bombers, unknown in Somalia until a few months ago, have attacked Baidoa twice recently, and last month the first Iraqstyle roadside bombs were detonated against Ethiopian convoys.

Residents of Mogadishu say hundreds of fighters from other Muslim countries have arrived at the city?s main airport in recent days, drawn by the Islamists? blaring call for a holy war against Ethiopia and against America, which is especially despised here.

Memories are still fresh of the botched American-led relief operation in the early 1990s, and more recently of the covert American effort to bolster Mogadishu?s warlords in an 11th-hour bid to prevent an Islamist takeover. That strategy backfired, driving more people into the arms of the Islamists.

?I?ll be honest,? said Sheik Muktar Robow Abu Monsur, the deputy security chief for the Islamists. ?America is the best friend of Islam. It wakes up the sleeping Muslim.?

In fact, Jendayi Frazer, the State Department?s top official for Africa policy, said diplomatic and intelligence officials believed that the Islamists could be trying to provoke an Ethiopian attack as a "rallying cry for support" to their side. The countries fought a war from 1977 to 1978 over the Ogaden, a contested area of eastern Ethiopia ? and Somalia lost.

"If this thing goes to a military fight,? Ms. Frazer said, ?it?s a bloodbath."

American officials helped push through a recent United Nations resolution authorizing peacekeepers from African countries to back up the Baidoa officials. The resolution lets the Baidoa government, but not the Islamists, bring in weapons despite a longstanding arms embargo.

The problem with that strategy, many analysts say, is that it misreads the Islamists? power, rooted not so much in their military strength ? a few hundred armed pickup trucks and a few thousand fighters ? but in their popular support. The Islamists emerged several years ago as a network of clan-based courts that unified warring factions.

Ethiopia may have the strongest military in the region, trained by American advisers and complete with jet fighters, but attacking Islamist forces may only drive them underground, into a guerrilla insurgency.

American officials have said they are hoping that the moderates within the Islamic administration will prevail over hard-line, war-mongering elements. But if there ever was such a struggle, it is over.

Three months ago, Ibrahim Hassan Addou, the foreign minister for the Islamists and an American citizen of Somali descent, talked of sharing power and holding elections.

Now, like the others, he is talking war, in terms nearly indistinguishable from the most militant Islamic leaders. Moderates, he said, were backed into a corner by an American-led campaign to discredit and isolate the Islamic administration.

?Everybody was against us from the beginning, and now we have no choice but to fight,? he said. ?What I don?t understand is why the whole world is trying to throw its weight behind a government that has been totally rejected by its own people.?

United Nations officials say they support the government in Baidoa because it is the most representative of the various clans in Somalia. But one side effect of the multi-clan approach has been ceaseless disputes between clan elders. Meanwhile, the Islamists have aggressively expanded their territory.

Many officials in Baidoa vehemently opposed calling on Ethiopian muscle, fearing a backlash. In the past some Somali clans have teamed up with Ethiopian forces to dominate other clans, ending in greater bloodshed. So when the idea of bringing Ethiopian soldiers to Baidoa was first proposed last year, it proved so divisive that it set off a brawl among officials ? and it failed to pass.

?The problem with having Ethiopians defend us is that they make us look like the puppets that the Islamists accuse us of being,? said Sharif Hassan Sheik Aden, the speaker of the parliament in Baidoa. Ethiopian officials insist that they have sent only a few hundred military advisers to Baidoa, but United Nation monitors and witnesses on the ground say several thousand Ethiopian infantry troops are digging in near the city.

Sporadic peace talks between Baidoa officials and the Islamists have produced little but broken promises. The only thing that seems to be delaying all-out war is the mutual recognition that a decisive victory is unlikely.

The Islamists are reluctant to march on Baidoa and trigger a crushing Ethiopian response, while the Ethiopians seem fearful of trying to storm the Islamists? stronghold of Mogadishu, the city that claimed the lives of 18 American soldiers in the infamous ?Black Hawk Down? battle in 1993.

A growing number of Democrats in Congress are urging the Bush administration to change course and deal with the Islamists for what they are: the power on the ground.

?The Islamists aren?t going away, so the sooner we talk to them, the better,? said Representative Donald M. Payne, the New Jersey Democrat who is expected to become the chairman of the House subcommittee on Africa when his party takes control of Congress in January.

In Mogadishu the Islamists are continuing their hearts-and-minds campaign, organizing neighborhood cleanups, delivering food to the needy and resuscitating old national institutions like the Supreme Court, which was given a fresh coat of paint and reopened in October.

Streets that were clogged with years of debris are now clear and bureaucracy is budding, with more rules and more paperwork, including forms at the airport that ask name, age, nationality and religion ? Muslim or non-Muslim being the only choices.

All the talk of slaughtering Ethiopian invaders and their American sponsors, though, seems to have brought out a harsher side of the Islamic administration. Nearly every day, rings of people gather on Mogadishu?s streets to watch lashings, and the crowds cheer as leather whips cut canals into flesh. One Islamic leader in a town north of Mogadishu recently issued an edict threatening that anyone who did not pray five times a day would be beheaded.

?It?s black and white,? said the leader, Hussein Barre Rage. ?The Koran says people must pray.?

Not long ago Somalia was a place where women wore skirts and men drank beer, and even today a large chunk of the population is quietly concerned about the absolutist direction the Islamists are heading in.

But the prospects of war with Ethiopia seem to have pushed many of these people solidly into the Islamic camp.

?I?m not into thought control,? said Dahir Abdullahi Hirsi, a pharmacist in Mogadishu. ?But I hate Ethiopians even more.?

Instead of bashing Bush why don`t you step up to the plate and answer your own question?
Or are you posting stuff like this to start a flame war??
Step up or keep quiet...hehe
 
I doubt that.

In Afghanistan, he teamed with the other Muslims that were fighting the Tablian. In Somalia, they were working with other Muslims.

His admin's support for Indonesia during the tsunami, Pakistan during the earthquake, etc. go against your viewpoint.
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Topic
Bush is on another Crusade against Muslims



Well somebody better revoke his crusader card---------------------------------quickly😀

Well, his first love is oil, or money, so that should explain that picture.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt that.

In Afghanistan, he teamed with the other Muslims that were fighting the Tablian. In Somalia, they were working with other Muslims.

His admin's support for Indonesia during the tsunami, Pakistan during the earthquake, etc. go against your viewpoint.

That was the word he chose to use. Don't kill the messenger.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Instead of bashing Bush why don`t you step up to the plate and answer your own question?
Or are you posting stuff like this to start a flame war??
Step up or keep quiet...hehe

I would blame him, if that wasn't already obvious. It's kinda difficult to blame anyone else when you're leaving the world in much worse shape then how you inherited it. This guy is a curse. A curse that will take generations to lift.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt that.

In Afghanistan, he teamed with the other Muslims that were fighting the Tablian. In Somalia, they were working with other Muslims.

His admin's support for Indonesia during the tsunami, Pakistan during the earthquake, etc. go against your viewpoint.

exactly but stuff like that is conveniently left out...rofl
 
Bush is not against Muslims.

He attacked Iraq because he hated Saddam. It was his own personal agenda against 1 man.

Afghanistan he didnt want to attack. He gave the Taliban a choice and they decided to act like idiots.

He invites Muslims to speak at the republican meetings. They are all looking at each other like wtf. Yet Bush invited them.
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Topic
Bush is on another Crusade against Muslims



Well somebody better revoke his crusader card---------------------------------quickly😀

Well, his first love is oil, or money, so that should explain that picture.

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt that.

In Afghanistan, he teamed with the other Muslims that were fighting the Tablian. In Somalia, they were working with other Muslims.

His admin's support for Indonesia during the tsunami, Pakistan during the earthquake, etc. go against your viewpoint.

That was the word he chose to use. Don't kill the messenger.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Instead of bashing Bush why don`t you step up to the plate and answer your own question?
Or are you posting stuff like this to start a flame war??
Step up or keep quiet...hehe

I would blame him, if that wasn't already obvious. It's kinda difficult to blame anyone else when you're leaving the world in much worse shape then how you inherited it. This guy is a curse. A curse that will take generations to lift.

what you posted is hardly proof of anything other than rant material...lol
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
All this begs the question: Who will America turn their anger towards when there's another massive terror attack?

The state sponsors of the mentioned attack should be eradicated. My anger would turn to all those who stand in our way.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
All this begs the question: Who will America turn their anger towards when there's another massive terror attack?

The state sponsors of the mentioned attack should be eradicated. My anger would turn to all those who stand in our way.

"our way".... :roll:

While I won't engage in much of thise thread because I DON'T think Bush is on a crusade "against muslims"....

it does bring up the point that Ethiopia is full of sh|t - of course with the country stuck in well over 17 years of absolute anarchy...I don't thnk they really mind much more than that because it means there will be no challange to them.
Despite the Islamic Courts faults (people need to learn you ultimately cannot have the state FORCE one to be pious...death for no prayer...HA!) - They ARE pulling the country together
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Narmer
All this begs the question: Who will America turn their anger towards when there's another massive terror attack?

The state sponsors of the mentioned attack should be eradicated. My anger would turn to all those who stand in our way.

Any terrorist attack against the U.S will probably not be a state sponsored attack.

Al Qaeda is gone. Just a bunch of idiots now in different countries.
 
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.

You can't be serious. Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda's recruitment offices are standing-room only and our military's is growing spider-webs.

EDIT: And it's not what you say, but what you do. That's how I judge politicans. This moron makes bin Laden look like a reasonable individual. He's even proven bin Laden right.
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.

You can't be serious. Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda's recruitment offices are standing-room only and our military's is growing spider-webs.

EDIT: And it's not what you say, but what you do. That's how I judge politicans. This moron makes bin Laden look like a reasonable individual. He's even proven bin Laden right.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I think Bush is having the EFFECT of giving enormous help to the Muslim extremists in the form of making the fight seem to be against Islam in general, but I don't think that is his intention. I've made it pretty clear I think he's incompetent, mostly due to his inability to escape from the fantasy world he inhabits, but I think he's far more realistic about WHO the threat is than a lot of his supporters.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.

You can't be serious. Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda's recruitment offices are standing-room only and our military's is growing spider-webs.

EDIT: And it's not what you say, but what you do. That's how I judge politicans. This moron makes bin Laden look like a reasonable individual. He's even proven bin Laden right.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I think Bush is having the EFFECT of giving enormous help to the Muslim extremists in the form of making the fight seem to be against Islam in general, but I don't think that is his intention. I've made it pretty clear I think he's incompetent, mostly due to his inability to escape from the fantasy world he inhabits, but I think he's far more realistic about WHO the threat is than a lot of his supporters.

It's not fair that people give him a pass because of his stupidity/incompetence/retardness. If you think he's so realistic about who the real threat is, then why hasn't he done anything to assuage the Muslim world from thinking he's against them? Why is he doing all he can to undermine the real threat by backing anti-Muslim causes?
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.

You can't be serious. Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda's recruitment offices are standing-room only and our military's is growing spider-webs.

EDIT: And it's not what you say, but what you do. That's how I judge politicans. This moron makes bin Laden look like a reasonable individual. He's even proven bin Laden right.

That's funny. While slick Willy was destroying our military in favor of Hillarycare, exercising his groin and passing up chances to get Bin Laden, Al Qaeda was banging on doors to recruit people to assault the United States.
 
Originally posted by: xr71
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Rainsford
I can't believe I'm defending President Bush, but he strikes me as one of the people who DOES understand that crusades against Muslims is a bad idea. He has made it clear on several occasions that he does not view our war against terrorism as a war against Islam, that our best chance of defeating the extremists is to work with the moderates, and I believe his policies do a good job of reflecting this. In fact, he "gets it" a hell of a lot more than a lot of his supporters, who seem to think the ideal solution to 19 Muslims flying planes into buildings is to declare war against all 1.2 billion people practicing that faith.

You can't be serious. Bush is the reason why Al Qaeda's recruitment offices are standing-room only and our military's is growing spider-webs.

EDIT: And it's not what you say, but what you do. That's how I judge politicans. This moron makes bin Laden look like a reasonable individual. He's even proven bin Laden right.

That's funny. While slick Willy was destroying our military in favor of Hillarycare, exercising his groin and passing up chances to get Bin Laden, Al Qaeda was banging on doors to recruit people to assault the United States.

lol.

Seriously. bin Laden struck at America because of her double-standards in the Middle East. The other reason was because we had bases in Saudi Arabia, home of the Two Holy Places. Did anyone noticed that after September 11, 2001, America closed those bases? Shhh, nobody's supposed to know...
 
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Aimster

Al Qaeda is gone. Just a bunch of idiots now in different countries.




Oy. I think you are wrong on that point.

Amazingly enough I agree with Aimster. If I decide to go "radical" one day, fly up to Alaska and call myself Al-Qaeda...does that make me Al Qaeda? I think its clear that
a) Al Qaeda or any other organization with international objectives is clearly done for
b) No State will support terrorist attacks on the USA

The situations we have these days are primarily localized - Hizbollah's beef is with Israel, and we have not seem them expand their efforts outside their area. Chechens (however much they were wrong in the late 90s for not building up their OWN infrastructure and wasting their short lived independence) are dealing with their own local issue and you don't see their cause expanded outside their region. Tamil Tigers (whom seem to go ready to war again ><) have not expanded outside their effective region, and the rest of England didn't have to deal with the IRA.

Any group of "terrorists" or "Freedom fighters" or simply "insurgents" that we are dealing with operate largely on an independent basis with their own goals. Even Iraq - with as much sh|t as we have caused there - is operating their insurgent/resistance movement against American troops within IRAQ and not within America itself.
 
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