Bush: I can't boost automaker profits

[MikeMike]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...0060221/NEWS03/602210308/-1/BUSINESS07

the automakers say they just want a level playing field. which i agree with.

discuss, im out.

 

[Dissipate]

No comments = lock.

 

[RichardE]

Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

 

[slsmnaz]

Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who met the president at United Solar Ovonic in Auburn Hills, said that when she told Bush he should not lose sight of Michigan's auto industry while touting alternative energy technology, he responded: "I can't make your automakers profitable, but I can show them a better way."

Dear God, he sounds like a certain scary eyebrow Democrat!!

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

 

[Strk]

Why should we prop them up? If the companies don't want to improve their products to increase their sales, why should they get government (I.e. our) money? Yeah, the legacy costs are a killer, but they need to address it, not us.

 

[techs]

If he can increase oil company profits by 100000000000000 percent surely he can help the auto industry.
And for the failed owner of an oil company to claim he can show automakers a better way......well,......!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

 

[JS80]

Wow you guys are delusional.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

How is merging our economy with nations that, up until very recently, were socialist and communist really "capitalism"? Heck, it's hard to call China capitalist. Would mixing a capitalist economy with socialist economies really be "capitalism"?

Suppose that the damage created by global labor wage arbitrage was actually created by socialism. In other words, are the effects of global labor wage arbitrage really capitalism if the reason the foreigners are so impoverished to start out with is decades of communism and socialism?

Obviously, I don't think this is real capitalism.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Well he is Canadian so I don't see why he believes he needs to continue to opine sarcastically about the US but what-eva

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE
Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

He's right.

The love of money has reached its pinnacle with those in charge of our corporations and in the government. Almost like the robber baron days leading up to the Great Depression.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The love of money has reached its pinnacle with those in charge of our corporations and in the government. Almost like the robber baron days leading up to the Great Depression.

Not quite...for every corporate scandal that hits the media, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of corporations, and their leadership, who are dynamic models of ethical behavior, and have also moved into the 21st century in terms of a modernized and progressive atittude towards labor/management relations.

Those companies that continue to maintain the divide between labor and management will continue to struggle in a global economy where labor is readily available elsewhere at lower cost margins and with higher productivity.

The American auto industry continues to struggle because it is locked in an antiquated business model, and neither the corporate leadership of the Big 3 nor its unions have any concept of how to move forward.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

You know..sometimes..people who live outside the situation have a better look on it than those who are directly involved. I spend enough time in American and Canada, as well my fiancee is American with a familly of oil people from Bakersfield and Houston, you can deny it all you want, but everything, thre american dream, the all mighty dollar, the strive for materialism, all goes back to capitalism. With the continuous push since the late 40's till today of finding a communist enemy, Russian, China...capitalism is the American way to defend against the evil that tried to destroy there way of life.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE
Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

He's right.

The love of money has reached its pinnacle with those in charge of our corporations and in the government. Almost like the robber baron days leading up to the Great Depression.

The ROOTS of America, founding father days, were not about capitalism. Most would not consider the "roots" of America to be the 1920's-30's

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

You know..sometimes..people who live outside the situation have a better look on it than those who are directly involved. I spend enough time in American and Canada, as well my fiancee is American with a familly of oil people from Bakersfield and Houston, you can deny it all you want, but everything, thre american dream, the all mighty dollar, the strive for materialism, all goes back to capitalism. With the continuous push since the late 40's till today of finding a communist enemy, Russian, China...capitalism is the American way to defend against the evil that tried to destroy there way of life.

You're full of bullcrap.. that's like saying we (westerners in general) all have a better understanding of Iraqi society and their individual religious roots than Iraqis do.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself to you. You are really obnoxious swaggering into this thread and telling a bunch of American citizens that you have a better idea of what Americans view as "their roots" than "they do." You don't know sh.it, Americans think of their roots as the revolution against Britain, the days of the founding fathers, etc... Which is correct by the way, and was so long before modern capitalism even came about.

You are extremely irritating with your arrogance (worse because you're flat fukcnig wrong.)

And your writing is somewhat unintelligible.

 

[RichardE]

forget it

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The American auto industry continues to struggle because it is locked in an antiquated business model, and neither the corporate leadership of the Big 3 nor its unions have any concept of how to move forward.

My limited understanding is that the government forced the unions on the American auto companies, more or less. I'm sure they'd love to walk (no, run!) away from the unions if they could.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Capitalism = freedom. Communism/Socialism = slavery.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE
Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

He's right.

The love of money has reached its pinnacle with those in charge of our corporations and in the government. Almost like the robber baron days leading up to the Great Depression.

The ROOTS of America, founding father days, were not about capitalism. Most would not consider the "roots" of America to be the 1920's-30's

I think he's talking about the roots of the America we see today. I agree with him to a certain extent, too.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: RichardE
Nope, but the roots changed with America during the "communism" is evil days, and continues to today with China. Capitalism is god, right above christian god. This is the result of capitalism, and those who embrace this form of government should rejoice.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what America's roots are, quit (as a foreigner) trying to tell a bunch of Americans what their roots are... we know it, capitalism wasn't even a factor in that sense back then... go read and come back later w/o the chip on your shoulder

He's right.

The love of money has reached its pinnacle with those in charge of our corporations and in the government. Almost like the robber baron days leading up to the Great Depression.

The ROOTS of America, founding father days, were not about capitalism. Most would not consider the "roots" of America to be the 1920's-30's

I would disagree, economic freedom was a major (if not the biggest) factor.

Remember the boston tea party?

 

[Polish3d]

I don't agree.

The Constitution, Bill of Rights, philosophical basis (Locke et al) used by the founders ... to say that "capitalism" as we know it today is the "root" of America is too narrow and simply incorrect if it is to be said to be the "primary" root of the US.

Sorry you guys disagree, I doubt you will find many historians who would agree with you.

And what about the Boston Tea Party? There was a lot more to the American revolution and subsequent government formation than that.

 

[maluckey]

And what about the Boston Tea Party? There was a lot more to the American revolution and subsequent government formation than that.

Taxation without Representation in the Government of the time was THE driving factor of he Revolution. If the Colonies had a say in how they were run, then this may have been a British Commonwealth to this day. The Arrogance of the Brits of the time was astonishing. They too thought that they understood what was going on in the fledgling colonies. They were wrong.

Remember that the majority of the initial settlers were a hardy sort, given to obstinance and set/inflexible views on how things ought to be. They were religious and basically intolerant of outsiders. the British through poor decisions and lack of "inside" views quickly became outsiders. We all know how the rest went.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: RichardE
Its what America stands for, capitalism... Americans everywhere should be rejoicing at the fact the country is defending its roots.

I thought the concept of freedom was considered to be America's "roots." I don't recall that George Washington and Ben Franklin went around preaching from Adam Smith's Big Book of Capitalism.

Capitalism = freedom. Communism/Socialism = slavery.

I thought it was Democracy = Freedom.