Bush Has Secret Troop Call-Up Plan

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Kerry issued the charge while campaigning Friday in Albuquerque, N.M., as he criticized the president of glossing over a worsening conflict in Iraq.

"He won't tell us what congressional leaders are now saying, that this administration is planning yet another substantial call-up of reservists and Guard units immediately after the election," Kerry said. "Hide it from people through the election, then make the move."

But Rep. John Murtha, D-Penn., ranking member on the House Appropriations Defense Subcommittee and a former Marine who served in Vietnam, said he had learned through conversations with Pentagon officials that beginning in November, "the Bush administration plans to call up large numbers of the military Guard and Reserves, to include plans that they previously had put off to call up the Individual Ready Reserve."

 

[jpeyton]

Four More Years!

I don't care, I'm not in the military.

 

[XZeroII]

Let see some sort of evidence. Otherwise this is just more Kerry desprerately saying anything to slam Bush.

 

[heartsurgeon]

NEWS FLASH

Kerry has unearthed secret memo that documents "Bush is a bad man"

the Kerry campaign reminds me of how kids ran for "office" in primary school.

 

[T2T III]

So? Kerry has also admitted that he would add 40,000 more troops the military. If Kerry did this, do you think he would keep them all at our safer state-side bases? I don't think so. Kerry would put 'em to work.

Edit: Additionally, I find this kind of interesting how Kerry has woven this story into some little conspiracy theory that Bush is waiting until just after the election to avoid taking a hit from the voters. Kerry is even more paranoid than I originally thought. Do we want such a paranoid person leading our country? Kerry = :thumbsdown:

 

[XMan]

I hear Bush is planning to poison the rivers and starve my grandparents, too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Shhh...it's a secret!

 

[BarneyFife]

Good. They vote for and support Bush so they shouldn't have a problem going to Iraq. I don't ever want to hear someone say "He's sending our kids over there", well your dumb ass kids keep voting for him. Too bad.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

People need to educate themselves on Iraq. Right now there are several areas which are completely under the control of the insurgency. The Iraqi police themselves have expressed that they want no part in penetrating those areas whatsoever. The US has kept away from any major battles because the loss of life would be great and there would be much bloodshed. It's no surprise that they don't want to infiltrate these areas so close to the election. Also, every intelligence official and analyst will tell you that we need more troops in Iraq. This is no secret.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
So? Kerry has also admitted that he would add 40,000 more troops the military. If Kerry did this, do you think he would keep them all at our safer state-side bases? I don't think so. Kerry would put 'em to work.

Edit: Additionally, I find this kind of interesting how Kerry has woven this story into some little conspiracy theory that Bush is waiting until just after the election to avoid taking a hit from the voters. Kerry is even more paranoid than I originally thought. Do we want such a paranoid person leading our country? Kerry = :thumbsdown:

So you don't see the difference between someone who is telling you like it is and someone who is pulling the wool over your eyes because he doesn't want to stand up like a man and tell the truth.

Bush seems to have problems with that whole "stand up like a man" thing.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
So? Kerry has also admitted that he would add 40,000 more troops the military. If Kerry did this, do you think he would keep them all at our safer state-side bases? I don't think so. Kerry would put 'em to work.

Edit: Additionally, I find this kind of interesting how Kerry has woven this story into some little conspiracy theory that Bush is waiting until just after the election to avoid taking a hit from the voters. Kerry is even more paranoid than I originally thought. Do we want such a paranoid person leading our country? Kerry = :thumbsdown:

So you don't see the difference between someone who is telling you like it is and someone who is pulling the wool over your eyes because he doesn't want to stand up like a man and tell the truth.

Bush seems to have problems with that whole "stand up like a man" thing.

Well, it's not fact yet. Just "gossip". However, I'm merely trying to point out how Kerry tried to make this look like a conspiracy with it happening just after the election. More than likely, the details have not been worked out yet. I'm sure we'll know more "facts" as it becomes closer. Until that time, it's just a rumor.

 

[1EZduzit]

I remember when Bush Sr. was running for President and the S&L fiasco was swept under the rug until after the election. The media even knew about it and didn't report it. It seems to me that a plan to send in more troops would not only be much easier to keep a lid on, but would also be an admission by Bush that things aren't going well in Iraq.

 

[Moonbeam]

Rome, like the United States, richly deserved it's collapse but couldn't conceive of it before it happened. A nation filled with arrogant, self centered assholes has a knack for successful leaders. The sad part, like with taxes, is that the bill will be paid by the unborn who will be aborted by the death of a nation. Oh well, people who have it all just go rotten. It has to be that way. Filled with unconscious self loathing, we are impelled to put on airs, as a surrogate for real self respect which, of course, requires really hard work of a moral kind to achieve. It's so much easier to boast and puff and posture and elect moral pin heads and lepers.

 

[PELarson]

Just like the draft and increased tasxes for all. It will happen. Doesn't matter who wins in November it will happen.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

While Bush has been spending money like a coke whore at the RNC, it's difficult to conceive that he wouldn't advocate some spending restraint during his second term. He will offer nothing of substance to reign in the costs of Medicare, Social Security, or Defense Spending . . . but he will advocate for massive cuts in other health programs, environmental protection, education. Essentially the leaked OMB report basically confirms these suspicions . . . plus I have inside info that funding to places like NIH will definitely take a hit.

Anybody but a blind, deaf, mute living on Mars . . . realizes that Iraq will not get better with hopes and dreams. The UK is unlikely to send more troops, even if Howard survives the Aussies will not send more troops, and Poland is already wavering on current commitments. The Iraqi security forces remain an inconsequential entity. Accordingly, the sole source of troop support in Iraq is our military.

Bushistas will not tell the truth about Iraq. They can't handle the truth . . . plus lies and half-truths are far more politically palatable. My guess is that Bush will lean on every potential source in the world (Pakistan, Indonesia, South Korea, UK, Australia, Poland, Bulgaria, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia) trying to find extra support for our "excellent adventure" in Iraq. But they are planning for the worst . . . which means more US troops in Iraq.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
While Bush has been spending money like a coke whore at the RNC, it's difficult to conceive that he wouldn't advocate some spending restraint during his second term. He will offer nothing of substance to reign in the costs of Medicare, Social Security, or Defense Spending . . . but he will advocate for massive cuts in other health programs, environmental protection, education. Essentially the leaked OMB report basically confirms these suspicions . . . plus I have inside info that funding to places like NIH will definitely take a hit.

Anybody but a blind, deaf, mute living on Mars . . . realizes that Iraq will not get better with hopes and dreams. The UK is unlikely to send more troops, even if Howard survives the Aussies will not send more troops, and Poland is already wavering on current commitments. The Iraqi security forces remain an inconsequential entity. Accordingly, the sole source of troop support in Iraq is our military.

Bushistas will not tell the truth about Iraq. They can't handle the truth . . . plus lies and half-truths are far more politically palatable. My guess is that Bush will lean on every potential source in the world (Pakistan, Indonesia, South Korea, UK, Australia, Poland, Bulgaria, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia) trying to find extra support for our "excellent adventure" in Iraq. But they are planning for the worst . . . which means more US troops in Iraq.

Kerry has said he'd send more troops as well - so, if this rumor is accurate, that's the position of both candidates. I find it ludicrous to think that Kerry's going to cut spending if his plan outlined on his website is accurate (but then again, candidates don't usually take campaign promises ot heart, so he might just do that) - so my question for you is this - do you have ideas for a solution, or are you just going to grumble?

 

[DealMonkey]

Nobody finds it ironic that Bush has converted the Reserves and Nat'l Guard into active duty soldiers during his term? One weekend a month my ass.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Nobody finds it ironic that Bush has converted the Reserves and Nat'l Guard into active duty soldiers during his term? One weekend a month my ass.

That is, of course, the intent of the Guard and Reserves, you realize, don't you?

If the size of the armed forces had not been so drastically cut in the 90's it probably wouldn't have needed to happen . . .

The Guard doubled the size of the Regular Army when it was mobilized in 1940, more then a year before Pearl Harbor, and contributed 19 divisions to that war, as well as numerous other units, to include Guard aviation squadrons. Over 138,000 Guardsmen were mobilized for Korea, followed by numerous smaller mobilizations for the Berlin Crisis, Vietnam, and numerous strikes and riots at home. Over 63,000 Army Guardsmen were called to serve in Desert Storm, and in the decade since then, Guardsmen have seen a greater role then ever before conducting peacekeeping in Somalia, Haiti, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rome, like the United States, richly deserved it's collapse but couldn't conceive of it before it happened. A nation filled with arrogant, self centered assholes has a knack for successful leaders. The sad part, like with taxes, is that the bill will be paid by the unborn who will be aborted by the death of a nation. Oh well, people who have it all just go rotten. It has to be that way. Filled with unconscious self loathing, we are impelled to put on airs, as a surrogate for real self respect which, of course, requires really hard work of a moral kind to achieve. It's so much easier to boast and puff and posture and elect moral pin heads and lepers.

Seems to me you are pretty arrogant yourself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rome, like the United States, richly deserved it's collapse but couldn't conceive of it before it happened. A nation filled with arrogant, self centered assholes has a knack for successful leaders. The sad part, like with taxes, is that the bill will be paid by the unborn who will be aborted by the death of a nation. Oh well, people who have it all just go rotten. It has to be that way. Filled with unconscious self loathing, we are impelled to put on airs, as a surrogate for real self respect which, of course, requires really hard work of a moral kind to achieve. It's so much easier to boast and puff and posture and elect moral pin heads and lepers.

Seems to me you are pretty arrogant yourself.

The rest of the clowns are amatures compared to me.

 

[Zedtom]

Kerry does sound like an alarmist, but if Bush is reelected these events are probably going to happen. I see the neocons here at this forum getting their rocks off thinking that the election is already decided.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rome, like the United States, richly deserved it's collapse but couldn't conceive of it before it happened. A nation filled with arrogant, self centered assholes has a knack for successful leaders. The sad part, like with taxes, is that the bill will be paid by the unborn who will be aborted by the death of a nation. Oh well, people who have it all just go rotten. It has to be that way. Filled with unconscious self loathing, we are impelled to put on airs, as a surrogate for real self respect which, of course, requires really hard work of a moral kind to achieve. It's so much easier to boast and puff and posture and elect moral pin heads and lepers.

yeah, all americans are assholes...

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Nobody finds it ironic that Bush has converted the Reserves and Nat'l Guard into active duty soldiers during his term? One weekend a month my ass.

That is, of course, the intent of the Guard and Reserves, you realize, don't you?

If the size of the armed forces had not been so drastically cut in the 90's it probably wouldn't have needed to happen . . .

The Guard doubled the size of the Regular Army when it was mobilized in 1940, more then a year before Pearl Harbor, and contributed 19 divisions to that war, as well as numerous other units, to include Guard aviation squadrons. Over 138,000 Guardsmen were mobilized for Korea, followed by numerous smaller mobilizations for the Berlin Crisis, Vietnam, and numerous strikes and riots at home. Over 63,000 Army Guardsmen were called to serve in Desert Storm, and in the decade since then, Guardsmen have seen a greater role then ever before conducting peacekeeping in Somalia, Haiti, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

Then why aren't they letting the Guardsman out when their time is up? Why hold people in when their commitment is over? You mean to say they don't have enough regular army to let the people who have already did their duty out? And this from a Commander-in Cheif who didn't even volunteer to go to Vietnam during his ANG stint? LOL

One weekend a month my ass!!

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
While Bush has been spending money like a coke whore at the RNC, it's difficult to conceive that he wouldn't advocate some spending restraint during his second term. He will offer nothing of substance to reign in the costs of Medicare, Social Security, or Defense Spending . . . but he will advocate for massive cuts in other health programs, environmental protection, education. Essentially the leaked OMB report basically confirms these suspicions . . . plus I have inside info that funding to places like NIH will definitely take a hit.

Anybody but a blind, deaf, mute living on Mars . . . realizes that Iraq will not get better with hopes and dreams. The UK is unlikely to send more troops, even if Howard survives the Aussies will not send more troops, and Poland is already wavering on current commitments. The Iraqi security forces remain an inconsequential entity. Accordingly, the sole source of troop support in Iraq is our military.

Bushistas will not tell the truth about Iraq. They can't handle the truth . . . plus lies and half-truths are far more politically palatable. My guess is that Bush will lean on every potential source in the world (Pakistan, Indonesia, South Korea, UK, Australia, Poland, Bulgaria, Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia) trying to find extra support for our "excellent adventure" in Iraq. But they are planning for the worst . . . which means more US troops in Iraq.

Kerry has said he'd send more troops as well - so, if this rumor is accurate, that's the position of both candidates. I find it ludicrous to think that Kerry's going to cut spending if his plan outlined on his website is accurate (but then again, candidates don't usually take campaign promises ot heart, so he might just do that) - so my question for you is this - do you have ideas for a solution, or are you just going to grumble?

Oh I'm not saying Kerry is much better than Bush. I'm saying Kerry lies are slightly less egregious than Bush lies. But Kerry has the benefit of not being the CAUSE of the cluster duck in Iraq.

You say I'm grumbling but that makes a lot more sense than saying "stay the course" . . . especially when the course is looking terrible by virtually every objective perspective.

I think Kerry will cut spending b/c he will have little choice with a GOP House (and hopefully Democratic Senate). Further . . . unlike Bush, Kerry may actually practice fiscal restraint. Bush has PROVEN that he will not. In addition, Kerry is not enamored with this tax cut BS.

As for THE solution to Iraq . . . now that's a hard question. At this point Bush has so royally fudged this up that nothing short of a mea culpa will work. Basically President Kerry goes to the UN and blames it all on Bush and his Neocon handlers. He notes that Saddam was a total POS (which we supported in the late 70s and throughout the 80s) but that was a mistake as well. The Gulf War was a down payment for past sins but we dropped the ball during the Clinton years. Bush War 2003 was a huge step backwards. The Bush Regime (I think Kerry should call it that . . .) made multiple major mistakes that have harmed not only Iraq and the region but also America's well deserved good standing in the world.

But that's all history. The new beginning will require great sacrifices by all but the payoff will be a secure (and liberated) Iraq and a true global coalition to reduce the appeal and reach of terrorist regimes. America has already given (or wasted) over 1000 US soldiers, thousands of civilians, and $200B in the endeavor but we are willing to pay whatever it takes to do it right . . . but we cannot do it alone.

Then Iraqi leadership agrees to a fire sale of short-term Iraqi oil contracts for all countries willing to invest in Iraqi security, oil infrastructure, and broad public works.

I have no idea if it would work. But it's quite obvious that the Bush Agenda has been a near TOTAL failure.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rome, like the United States, richly deserved it's collapse but couldn't conceive of it before it happened. A nation filled with arrogant, self centered assholes has a knack for successful leaders. The sad part, like with taxes, is that the bill will be paid by the unborn who will be aborted by the death of a nation. Oh well, people who have it all just go rotten. It has to be that way. Filled with unconscious self loathing, we are impelled to put on airs, as a surrogate for real self respect which, of course, requires really hard work of a moral kind to achieve. It's so much easier to boast and puff and posture and elect moral pin heads and lepers.

F.U.C.K. Y.O.U.

You're cruisin' for a bruisin' punk!