Bush, for gun control? yep it appears

[Bleep]

I always chuckle when the anti gun crowd comes up with the assualt weapon thing. Mostly they dont know a assault weapon from their peewee.
We had a little show at the local mall and I have 2 Ruger 10-22's one of which is just a stock gun and the other just dolled up to look like a military weapon, it was pretty much agreed by a lot of those that looked at them that the 10-22 that was made to look military should be banned.
I own a 50 cal single shot that I use for 1000 yard targets, a wicked weapon. I also own (legally) a M60 which is a real blast to shoot in more ways than one. I have not shot, robbed or assualted anyone. I love to shoot, almost every day in the summer my wife and I go to the range and bang away. Edited for this addition, I have shot 5 deer with a SKS, this is a chinese military rifle similar to a AK

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[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Bleep
Edited for this addition, I have shot 5 deer with a SKS, this is a chinese military rifle similar to a AK

Although your version may be chinese, the design is russian (I forget the russian acronym for SKS, but translated it means selfloading carbine, simonov [surname of developer].

 

[Moonbeam]

Its an armed population that keeps the government of the US from siezing control over the people. If a candidate, for example, tried to stop the election and colaborate with the Supreme Coup and steal the election from the true winner, the NRA would rise up and put things right just like it did in 2000.

 

[jjones]

Sorry Moonie, would never happen, not when half the voters voted for the winner. But they may have risen up were Gore allowed to cheat his way into the presidency.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry Moonie, would never happen?
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Are you good with sarcasm or what? But, but, but that's what guns are for!

 

[Tiger]

I'll repeat it again. Assault weapons are made to assault people. You have no business having one. The last thing I need is for one of you nut bags to go nuts with it on a crowd of people. At least with a rifle you won't be able to get many shots off. If you want to have an assault weapon, go join the army.

Proof you don't know what the hell your talking about and should be ignored.
I own a Remington semi-automatic rifle 30-06 caliber. The only practical difference between it and an AK-47 is full auto mode and the size of the magazine, and looks. Remington 7400 synthetic 30-06

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry Moonie, would never happen?
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Are you good with sarcasm or what? But, but, but that's what guns are for!

Nah, guns are for putting the smack down on Bambi and Thumper so we can keep servin' up the good vittles.

 

[Red Dawn]

if the time came and the US had another revolution, I have no doubt an armed citizenry would win in the end.

What makes you think they would be anymore successful than Iraqi's with RPGs?

BTW, I'm not for repealing the 2nd ammendment.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

if the time came and the US had another revolution, I have no doubt an armed citizenry would win in the end.

What makes you think they would be anymore successful than Iraqi's with RPGs?

BTW, I'm not for repealing the 2nd ammendment.

-Hesitation/refusal of American soldiers to fire on other americans
-The number of americans that are former military
-10x bigger civilian population
-In some ways americans are better armed... we might not have RPGs, but the ability to take down one or two men out of a patrol from 300 yards with a deer rifle will hurt morale
-Fighting for their own freedom rather than to preserve the life of a dictator

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
I don't see the necessity for private individuals to own assault weapons. Other than that, I am pro gun.

Define "Assault Weapon"?

AK-47, M-16.

Any fully automatic weapon, Uzi's and such...

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
they make good deer guns, what's the difference between them and regular semi-auto guns? the answer is not much besides looks/appearence

most assualt weapons are lower power, making them less deadly that's why I only use them for short range hunting, I use my browning 7mm mag for longer ranges

A 7mm does not fall under the category of Assualt or semi assualt for that matter...... The 7mm is a wonderful hunting rifle...

I dont see a problem with semi automatic Hunting rifles. I just think that a full blown assault rifle should not be allowed.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
I don't see the necessity for private individuals to own assault weapons. Other than that, I am pro gun.

Define "Assault Weapon"?

AK-47, M-16.

Any fully automatic weapon, Uzi's and such...

Funny, but the ban only affects the semi-auto versions... you can still buy full auto Uzis, AK-47s, M-16s and such if it fits under the NFA and you get a Class III for it

 

[Bulk Beef]

Do any of you who think that the ban is such a great idea have any idea what it actually says?

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm looking forward to the day when somebody with a bit of nano-engineering skill will be able to use off the shelf parts to build a self-replicating molecular disassembler and reduce the surface of the planet to powder.

 

[HappyGamer2]

not really all that much activity on this thread

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
not really all that much activity on this thread

Facts will shut up the casual gun grabbers... most of the time

 

[AndrewR]

The assault rifle ban is bullsh!t, and it does affect me because I want to collect military weapons given my interest in military history. The gun grabbers have gone so far as to designate an M-1 Garand as an assault rifle, which is as amusing as it is worrisome. The problem with the assault rifle ban has been an increase in the price of assault rifles, and the substitution of neutered guns for authentic ones. I couldn't care less about shooting a deer twenty times, but I do want a real AK-47 or AKM as opposed to some "sporting" model with a single-stack magazine.

At this point, it is premature to assume that President Bush will extend the ban, and I'm taking a wait and see approach. Regardless of how I feel, however, I am forbidden by law to critisize the President.

 

[Tiger]

Facts will shut up the casual gun grabbers... most of the time

You got that right. I was watching a talk show once on the subject.
They showed the audience some inocuous looking hunting rifles and none of them had a problem with them, didn't think they should be banned. They hired a gunsmith to restock the rifles to make them look like those nasty asault weapons. Suddenly the moron audience thought they should be banned. The gunsmith changed nothing on the guns but the stocks. The single shot bolt action was still a single shot bolt action etc....

 

[Bulk Beef]

Originally posted by: Tiger

Facts will shut up the casual gun grabbers... most of the time

You got that right. I was watching a talk show once on the subject.
They showed the audience some inocuous looking hunting rifles and none of them had a problem with them, didn't think they should be banned. They hired a gunsmith to restock the rifles to make them look like those nasty asault weapons. Suddenly the moron audience thought they should be banned. The gunsmith changed nothing on the guns but the stocks. The single shot bolt action was still a single shot bolt action etc....

And that's really what the AWB is all about - cosmetics. It has zero to do with crime.

When was the last time somebody robbed a liquor store by staging a bayonet charge?

 

[MajorCaliber]

The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, it's about having weapons to kill people that would infringe on Liberty!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: sward666

Originally posted by: Tiger

Facts will shut up the casual gun grabbers... most of the time

You got that right. I was watching a talk show once on the subject.
They showed the audience some inocuous looking hunting rifles and none of them had a problem with them, didn't think they should be banned. They hired a gunsmith to restock the rifles to make them look like those nasty asault weapons. Suddenly the moron audience thought they should be banned. The gunsmith changed nothing on the guns but the stocks. The single shot bolt action was still a single shot bolt action etc....

And that's really what the AWB is all about - cosmetics. It has zero to do with crime.

When was the last time somebody robbed a liquor store by staging a bayonet charge?

Even better question since people think that the current loopholes for the legal ownership of full auto guns, like AKs and M-16s, should be totally banned:

When was the last time a legal full auto weapon was used in a crime? What was the profession of the shooter?

 

[Rogue9]

It should never be illegal simply to own something. Modern guns are completely safe when in the hands of an individual with proper training.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Rogue9
It should never be illegal simply to own something. Modern guns are completely safe when in the hands of an individual with proper training.

There are something that should be prohibited. Like tanks. I can just imagine the carnage when soccer moms, left uncontented by the H2, buy an Abrams, and drive like they do now, except with 70 tons instead of 3.

I like the Constitution in that regard. Back then, "arms" referred to personal weapons. Rifles, muskets, pistols, swords, etc. "Ordinance" referred to crew served weapons, like cannons (and warships, for that matter). The Constitution doenst allow for the right to bear ordinance, but rather the right to bear arms.

 

[Rogue9]

Originally posted by: Mookow

There are something that should be prohibited. Like tanks. I can just imagine the carnage when soccer moms, left uncontented by the H2, buy an Abrams, and drive like they do now, except with 70 tons instead of 3.

I like the Constitution in that regard. Back then, "arms" referred to personal weapons. Rifles, muskets, pistols, swords, etc. "Ordinance" referred to crew served weapons, like cannons (and warships, for that matter). The Constitution doenst allow for the right to bear ordinance, but rather the right to bear arms.

In your example, it shouldn't be the ownerships of the tanks that is prohibited, but driving them on public roads. Hell, if someone has the cash and wants to buy a tank, but doesn't destroy anything belonging to someone else with it, fine by me.

As far as the RKBA (right to keep and bear arms), that refers to military weapons. The point being that in order to overthrow a tyrannical government, the citizens must have the same weapons as the army.