Bush favors tax breaks in stimulus plan

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...bi_ge/economy_stimulus

WASHINGTON - United for urgent action, the White House and Congress raced toward emergency steps Thursday to rescue the national economy from a possible recession, including tax rebates of $300 or more for many Americans.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke endorsed the idea of putting money into the hands of those who would spend it quickly and boost the flagging economy.

All the talk of rescue efforts failed to soothe Wall Street. The Dow Jones industrials plunged 306.95 points, underscoring deepening concern about the country's economic health.

The sudden scramble to take action came as fears mounted that a severe housing slump and a painful credit crisis could cause people to clamp down on their spending and businesses to put a lid on hiring, throwing the country into its first recession since 2001.

President Bush told congressional leaders privately he favors income tax rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses, officials said. Bush spoke with congressional leaders as House aides worked behind the scenes on an emergency package that could also include more money for food stamp recipients and the unemployed.

The president did not push for a permanent extension of his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, many of which are due to expire in 2010, one official said. That would eliminate a potential stumbling block to swift action by Congress, since most Democrats oppose making the tax cuts permanent.

Bush planned to lay out his position Friday, but he wasn't expected to go into specifics. Press secretary Dana Perino said he would demand that any package be effective, simple and temporary.

Bernanke voiced his support for a stimulus package in an appearance before the House Budget Committee. He stressed that it must be temporary and must be implemented quickly ? so that its economic effects could be felt as much as possible within the next 12 months. "Putting money into the hands of households and firms that would spend it in the near term" is a priority, he said.

Especially important is making sure a plan can put cash into the hands of poor people and the middle class, who are most likely to spend it right away, he said, though he added that research shows affluent people also spend some of their rebates.

He declined to endorse any particular approach, but he did say he preferred one that would not have a long-term adverse impact on the government's budget deficit.

Bush and congressional leaders from both parties consulted via conference call Thursday for about 30 minutes. Both sides basically were in agreement that they needed to cooperate to do something quickly, Perino said.

"There is reason to be hopeful when the president recognizes there is a problem in the country," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said afterward. She has talked of a package totaling $100 billion or more.

The rush to swing behind a stimulus plan underscored the political imperative of responding to a growing concern about the possibility of recession.

Senior aides to House Democrats and Republicans reviewed an emerging plan that included tax rebates for individuals ? from $300 to as much as $800 ? breaks for businesses and more money to help food stamp recipients and the unemployed. Additional aid to help states complete construction projects was also among the proposals under consideration, according to officials familiar with the discussions. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt an eventual announcement.

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said he was encouraged, and so did Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. Hoyer said of his counterpart, "He indicated that he wants to work together to get something done."

Pelosi said she wanted legislation approved within a month and said the government must "spend the money, invest the resources, give the tax relief in a way that again injects demand into the economy, puts it in the hands of those who need it most and into the middle class ... so that we can create jobs."

But Boehner said: "For this bill to become law, it cannot become a Christmas tree" for Democrats to attach their programs. "It's hard to get anything moving within a year, and most of us believe that if we're going to have a stimulative effect at helping to revive what is becoming a sluggish economy, it needs to happen quickly."

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Bush does not believe a stimulus should be offset ? or paid for ? by any tax or spending changes elsewhere. Some deficit-hawk Democrats have pushed for one but it is not expected to be part of a package.

For now, Bernanke was hopeful the country could skirt a dangerous downturn. "We're not forecasting recession but, rather, at this point, slow growth," he told lawmakers. Still, the toll of the housing and credit debacles will be felt for some time, he added. "We believe we'll see below-trend growth certainly in 2008 and probably early into 2009, as well."

When asked about a stimulus package totaling around $100 billion, he said the impact could be "significant," not "window dressing."

Temporary equipment tax writeoff provisions for businesses also could spur spending, which would help the economy, Bernanke said. But he warned: "I hope Congress can resist having a huge list of things" that would weigh down legislation and not help the economy in the short run.

The fragile state of the economy has gripped Wall Street and Main Street and is a rising concern among voters. The situation has galvanized politicians ? including those vying to be the next president ? and poses the biggest test to Bernanke, who took over the Fed nearly two years ago.

Said House Budget Committee Chairman John Spratt, D-S.C.: "It has become increasingly clear that our economy is slowing down, entering a slump if not a recession." Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif., likened a stimulus package to a "vitamin B-12 shot."

In his testimony, Bernanke again pledged to aggressively slash a key interest rate as needed to bolster the economy. Many economists believe the Fed will lower its key rate, now at 4.25 percent, by a bold half-percentage point at its next meeting on Jan. 30. Some critics on Wall Street and elsewhere have second-guessed Bernanke for not taking action sooner and more forcefully.

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Give more money away that we don't have. Why don't they just let the market correct itself?
 

Jhhnn

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Yeh- and where will the money come from, anyway?

It's the rightwing dream- borrow our way out of debt...
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: rpanic
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Give more money away that we don't have. Why don't they just let the market correct itself?

Because they're not really interested in solving the economic problems in this country so much as they are interested in getting political support in terms of both votes and money. That's why it's a safe bet that WHATEVER the problem is, Bush will favor tax rebates for people and tax breaks for businesses. If he was confronted with an alien invasion, no doubt the solution would be tax breaks.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: rpanic
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Give more money away that we don't have. Why don't they just let the market correct itself?

I agree with the market correcting itself but your first sentence has a faulty premise. It's the tax payers money so it's atleast "giving back"(which is not a "cost"). And if we(the gov't) don't have money then I have an idea - don't SPEND it.
 

rpanic

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: rpanic
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Give more money away that we don't have. Why don't they just let the market correct itself?

I agree with the market correcting itself but your first sentence has a faulty premise. It's the tax payers money so it's atleast "giving back"(which is not a "cost"). And if we(the gov't) don't have money then I have an idea - don't SPEND it.

I think they have gone far past we and are now working on my great, great, unborn grandchildren. But then again not sure if the US will be here by then.
 

senseamp

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Surprise, surprise...
GOP had opportunity to cut spending, instead they exploded it. Now they want to cut taxes regardless. GOP can't balance budget, it's ideologically incapable of doing so.
These same people signed us up to pay for the Iraq mess for a decade, now they don't want to foot the bill.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Surprise, surprise...
GOP had opportunity to cut spending, instead they exploded it. Now they want to cut taxes regardless. GOP can't balance budget, it's ideologically incapable of doing so.
These same people signed us up to pay for the Iraq mess for a decade, now they don't want to foot the bill.

And your team's plan? Spend more! Go TEAM!!!


:roll:
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: senseamp
Surprise, surprise...
GOP had opportunity to cut spending, instead they exploded it. Now they want to cut taxes regardless. GOP can't balance budget, it's ideologically incapable of doing so.
These same people signed us up to pay for the Iraq mess for a decade, now they don't want to foot the bill.

And your team's plan? Spend more! Go TEAM!!!


:roll:

That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:
 
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That $300+ reminds me of this great Lewis Black quote about the first set of tax cuts:

See, the Democrats and the Republicans knew that we had this whole stack of money called the surplus. Tons of it. There was so much we were just going to go crazy. And the thing was they decided to send it to us, because all of the bridges and roads were in perfect shape. Schools were really [great], huh. And airport security? Couldn't be tighter. "All $300 did was remind people how fucked they are. Three hundred dollars would have stimulated the economy if it was 1950-fucking-six, when you could actually buy something. We would have been better off if they had sent us Blockbuster video coupons...
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

Taxes. Get it through your head.
Democrats: Tax and Spend.
Republicans: Borrow and Spend even more.
 

randym431

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If Bush is pushing something, the middle class will again get screwed.
Anyone have a link to a countdown ticker for GW admin End Of Life?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

you can't fault a democrat for being a democrat.

I can fault a republican for being a democrat.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

you can't fault a democrat for being a democrat.

I can fault a republican for being a democrat.

WTB, some actual Republicans to make a new party with.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

Taxes. Get it through your head.
true Democrats: Tax and Spend unsustainably more.
faux Republicans: Borrow and Spend.
Conservatives: Spend less tax less

fixed :)
 

StageLeft

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I think the economy would bounce by IRS just taking a year off. Just forget taking in all taxes for 2007. Seriously. If 300 is good, why not all of it?
 

Vic

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This thread reminds me of why I hate the 2 party system.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

Taxes. Get it through your head.
true Democrats: Tax and Spend unsustainably more.
faux Republicans: Borrow and Spend.
Conservatives: Spend less tax less

fixed :)

Do you know of any conservatives in DC? I thought not.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

Taxes. Get it through your head.
true Democrats: Tax and Spend unsustainably more.
faux Republicans: Borrow and Spend.
Conservatives: Spend less tax less

fixed :)

Do you know of any conservatives in DC? I thought not.

And that means we don't try to put some there?



But back to the topic - I'm not exactly sure we need a package like has been proposed.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: senseamp
That's your team's plan too. Except your team wants to mortgage this country to foreigners to pay for it.
:roll:

And just who do you think would be funding the trillions needed for UHC and baby bonds, and retirement credits, and everything else your hero has proposed? :roll:

Taxes. Get it through your head.
true Democrats: Tax and Spend unsustainably more.
faux Republicans: Borrow and Spend.
Conservatives: Spend less tax less

fixed :)

Oh no, they're real Republicans alright...just faux conservatives. Of course if all the actual small government conservatives got together, there would maybe be enough of them to rent a party bus.

See, "spend less" sounds great...up until the lower spending comes from cutting something you personally like. It's easy to be in favor of small government if it's just cutting money to people you don't care about, but REAL conservatives can't look at it that way. That's why "conservative" so often seems to mean spending billions of dollars on the military instead of spending billions on health care.
 

OrganizedChaos

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MEMO

From: Generation X, Generations Y, Generation Z

To : Baby Boomers

Stop deficit spending you greedy bastards.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
MEMO

From: Generation X, Generations Y, Generation Z

To : Baby Boomers

Stop deficit spending you greedy bastards.

LOL...so true!!! :beer:

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh- and where will the money come from, anyway?

It's the rightwing dream- borrow our way out of debt...

I don't think they are solely to blame.