Bush Eases Environmental Rules on Gasoline
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Queasy
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But, the problem isn't the relaxing of environmental regulations, the problem is that there are dozens of different environmental regulation across the USA that forces different blends of gas to refined which results in artificial shortages and increased prices.
This was a nice step by Bush but he could have gone much further into reducing the number of blends down to 1 or 2.
But, the problem isn't the relaxing of environmental regulations, the problem is that there are dozens of different environmental regulation across the USA that forces different blends of gas to refined which results in artificial shortages and increased prices.
This was a nice step by Bush but he could have gone much further into reducing the number of blends down to 1 or 2.
This is so reactionary. Why not be proactive and go after big oil and maybe regulations on how traders can bid up the price of oil. Honestly, I am not really to familiar with the latter, but there has got to be something that can be done.
No, you are not the only one. Not only does this president want to leave future generations saddled with inconceivable debt, but he wants to exhaust our oil reserves as well.
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I mean personally It seems as if he chose the easiest solution to the problem... "Quick Fix"
I'm not one worried about the squirrels and Rabbits but in the same instance who's to say how long of a period these regulations will be suspened for... perhaps even indefinitly..
I'm not one worried about the squirrels and Rabbits but in the same instance who's to say how long of a period these regulations will be suspened for... perhaps even indefinitly..
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Bush did say that there was going to be a probe into "price gouging"...of course, that is reactionary. Nothing will come of it though because there isn't any price gouging.
The world market sets the price of a barrel of crude oil so I don't know how you would regulate that. And you wouldn't want to either as regulating prices tends to cause shortages.
This may help in the short term which I'm all for, but we really need a comprehensive long-term solution to get off foreign oil. If it were up to me, we'd just build nuclear plants and stop using fossil fuel for generating electricity altogether. The oil/natural gas saved could then go into the consumer market.
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perhaps i look at government too broadly... i look at them more along the line of one sect of people not neccessarily democrats, republicans and all other groups...
With that said I just don't trust that this "Ease on Enviormental Rules" is going to be temporary...
And I'm locking up my Rabbit as we speak
With that said I just don't trust that this "Ease on Enviormental Rules" is going to be temporary...
And I'm locking up my Rabbit as we speak
The issue is that there are various blends of gasoline around the country. The "unleaded" 87 Octane gas in California is differnt than the blen in Minnesota which is different from the blend in Texas which is different than Maryland....
Think about it---how much extra does it cost to create different blends of gas all around the country? In reality, the differences don't make much diffeence on the environment overall.
And...if you want to get right down to it, we need to build new refineries (which we have not built for 20-30+ years), we need to drill and recover our own oil, and then we need to tell OPEC to screw off and become self-sufficent and/or a majo player in the oil market.
We have tons of oil available, but the liberal tree-huggers won't let us harvest it.
Think about it---how much extra does it cost to create different blends of gas all around the country? In reality, the differences don't make much diffeence on the environment overall.
And...if you want to get right down to it, we need to build new refineries (which we have not built for 20-30+ years), we need to drill and recover our own oil, and then we need to tell OPEC to screw off and become self-sufficent and/or a majo player in the oil market.
We have tons of oil available, but the liberal tree-huggers won't let us harvest it.
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whether we're using foreign oil or domestic oil does not matter. oil is a global commodity and the price is set on a global market.
most of our generating based on fossil fuels is coal. coal and nuclear and other sources that are hard to ramp up with afternoon demand provide baseline power. natural gas is then used for peaking power in the afternoon, because a gas turbine is little more than a jet engine strapped to a floor and is easy to turn on or off. plus, gas power stations are cheap to build, both in terms of cash and approval time. but, the price of gas's variable costs per kilowatt hour are much higher than nuclear or coal, and so the price of the last unit of gas electricity sold is what sets the market clearing price.
southeast texas (houston) uses a lot of gas fired plants (due to proximity of gas) so our electricity is a pretty high rate (i think it was over 14 cents per k-watt hour). but, gas is poor for selling into the 'consumer market' (i don't know how an electric generating station isn't a consumer of gas, but whatever) because it is hard to transport. so, while building new low-variable-cost plants would lower the electric rates, i'm not sure it would do much for any other market in terms of relaxing oil demand or natural gas demand.
I'm not the biggest Bush supporter, in fact i'm on the opposite side. But this seemed to be a "damned if you do/damned if you don't" type of deal. Short term, there's not much else he can he do to lower gas prices. If he does nothing, then people will rush the white house asking why he isn't doing anything. It's unreasonable for people to think that the government can give them relief from high gas prices, but people do so the government has to do stupid things in order to satisfy them.
Sure, but by reducing demand you would reduce price, unless supply-and-demand doesn't apply anymore to oil. Yes, only about 3.5% of power plants use oil, but that's still a lot of oil used every year that could be saved. I was including coal in the fossil fuel category that we should get rid of. It's a limited resource that requires massive amount of material be transported, and is messy and pollutes. As far as variable demand, you could either keep natural gas turbines around or simply build enough nuclear plants to provide enough power all the time. Energy needs are going to continue to increase, and by spending more in the short-term you could be much more prepared in the long-term. By 'consumer market', I meant basically homes that use natural gas for heating. A large percentage of homes use natural gas, and this isn't likely to change for quite a while. By building nuclear plants (which it's much better suited for than fossil fuels are), you reduce the need for coal/oil/gas and at the same time reduce pollution.
I disagree. While oil prices are set on the global market, the US is basically screwed because we depend so much on the foreign market. If we had domestic oil on the global market, the supply would increase and lower prices AND the US would be able to have more of a say in the costs. Right now, OPEC is able to rape and pillage (figuratively speaking) ecause they have the most conrol. Domestic oil production would remove much of that power from their hands.
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