Bush Declares grad Student an Enemy Combatant

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Dari
Zebo, I guess you want the gov't to release him to his lawyers and let him continue what he set out to do when he came here, right? I'm sure he's an innocent foreign student who wants to make his parents proud.

Face, we're living in a new era. An era where men are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for diabolical reasons. They must be treated differently from other criminals. Not all criminals are alike, you know.

Why? Why can't this person have a trial?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Dari
Zebo, I guess you want the gov't to release him to his lawyers and let him continue what he set out to do when he came here, right? I'm sure he's an innocent foreign student who wants to make his parents proud.

Face, we're living in a new era. An era where men are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for diabolical reasons. They must be treated differently from other criminals. Not all criminals are alike, you know.

Why? Why can't this person have a trial?

Not only that, I'm failing to see how the last half of Dari's statement has any sort of truth. This is not something new to our era in time, there have always been people willing to commit suicide (or worse) for their ideology.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: rockyct
I agree with Zebo. Assuming that everything that they say about him is true, he still deserves his rights under the Constitution. Just because he accused of terrorism does not mean we should throw out his rights. I hope in twenty years we will look back on this and say, what were we thinking? If we don't I think we will become more and more like a police state.

ME too. however I'm afraid unless it involves one particular group the laws never get repealed. A good example is DEA and IRS forfeitures which has been going stong since the Reagan administration. Since it's applied accross the broad no one seems to mind.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Dari
Zebo, I guess you want the gov't to release him to his lawyers and let him continue what he set out to do when he came here, right? I'm sure he's an innocent foreign student who wants to make his parents proud.

Face, we're living in a new era. An era where men are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for diabolical reasons. They must be treated differently from other criminals. Not all criminals are alike, you know.

Why? Why can't this person have a trial?

Not only that, I'm failing to see how the last half of Dari's statement has any sort of truth. This is not something new to our era in time, there have always been people willing to commit suicide (or worse) for their ideology.

it is for american civilization. asymmetrical warfare (against suicidal terrorists) is something new for us.

 

[Zebo]

It's nothing new. Columbine kids and postal workers do it and they are americans.

 

[OptimisTech]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

Ahhh... of course... it's so simple. All I have to do is have my every thought action and clothing choice dictated by the narrow minded fears of paranoid white people who get a little jittery when the ethnics get uppidy. Cool! I'm headed for The Gap right now!!!

....hmmm... I hope the REAL terrorists don't think of this...

 

[amok]

I think he doesn't want them to have any outside communication until they can interrogate them to the fullest extent.

These people are constantly planning more and more attacks against America... They may also be afraid that these people will use their lawyers to communicate info to more enemy combatants who are not already detained by the US.

Well, this could easily be overcome by appointing him a well respected PD that will not communicate with terrorists for his client. If the accused demands his own lawyers, the PD could act as a go between, so that his lawyers can handle important aspects of the case alongside said PD, without actually having face to face meetings with the accused. I just don't like all the behind closed doors aspects involved in this kind of thing. A public trial is essential. The assertations of "sensitive information" is crazy, as the terrorists already know that he is locked up, and would change their plans accordingly whether what he knows is made public or not. IMO, the sensitive information they are talking about is probably related to how poorly our government is handling security, which should also be made public. This is about re-elections, not national security, and it bugs the crap out of me.

 

[JellyBaby]

We're living in a police state where the rule of law can be ignored and the possibly of corrupt action grows each day. There's little you can do without being labled a traitor. Congress doesn't care, the courts don't care. Get over it I guess and put your heart's trust into your friendly government officials and military personal.

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's nothing new. Columbine kids and postal workers do it and they are americans.

yeah but last time i checked the Columbine kids and postals workers didn't take over 4 planes and crash them into buildings... maybe i am wrong but i think there is a slight difference between school/work shootings and large scale terrorism.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

They'll come for you soon enough.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Trezza

Originally posted by: Zebo
It's nothing new. Columbine kids and postal workers do it and they are americans.

yeah but last time i checked the Columbine kids and postals workers didn't take over 4 planes and crash them into buildings... maybe i am wrong but i think there is a slight difference between school/work shootings and large scale terrorism.

The terrorists are winning. This is percisly what they want. For You and all americans to live in fear in a police state. The terrorists hate us and our way of life and freedom. Why? because when thier people see it they are envious and work to achive the same liberties and freedoms. This, in turn, upsets thier power and domination over thier people. Anyway now when the common people look over here they see hate, attacks and killings on thier people, the ememy, a muslim repressive society, a place not much worse than they live. Not a beacon on the hill.

If you think thier goal was murder you are mistaken it's to uspet the economic balance and social balance we enjoy and they don't.

It's working.

 

[JellyBaby]

Zebo, foreign terrorism against the U.S. isn't about simple envy. People in Canada, Australia, Swizterland, etc. all secular societies, have the same freedoms and opportunities we enjoy and haven't been targets of terrorism.

As for living in a police state, sadly, we were headed down that road anyway in spite of terrorism. Events like 9/11 just accelerated the process.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
Zebo, foreign terrorism against the U.S. isn't about simple envy. People in Canada, Australia, Swizterland, etc. all secular societies, have the same freedoms and opportunities we enjoy and haven't been targets of terrorism.

As for living in a police state, sadly, we were headed down that road anyway in spite of terrorism. Events like 9/11 just accelerated the process.

We are the biggest, we are (or used to be) the standard for liberty and freedom, we are the best target for this reason. We have the most open society too so it's and easier target.

So why do you think they are attacking us insteed of Switzerland? No one, and I've read a lot, seems to be asking this question.

 

[Trezza]

Even if you live in a police state you have nothing to worry about unless your doing something wrong. Honestly how many of you sell drugs, weapons or is a terrorist or in the mafia.

Also i don't believe that we are progressing into a police state, i think that USA is realizing that the only attacks against it are going to be from terrorists organizations and therefore needs to incerease its defense against that threat.

 

[Bleep]

Even if you live in a police state you have nothing to worry about unless your doing something wrong.

Interesting! in a police state even having some thoughts are considered criminal. Yor statement could even be considered a crime in a police state if the powers that are decided that it is wrong to even use the words police state.
The doing something wrong in your statement is decided by the police not anyone else. Everyone and everything is suspect in a police state.

Bleep

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Somebody post the translated Holocaust poem that equates roughly "They came for x, i said nothing, they came for y, i said nothing, they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything."

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Somebody post the translated Holocaust poem that equates roughly "They came for x, i said nothing, they came for y, i said nothing, they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything."

that is so true IMO. But history it seems we never are able to learn from.

Hopfully the pendulum swings back to the people soon. It always does.

PS- I don't think it's quite as bad as in NAZI germany yet.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: fwtong

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

How do you know any of these charges are accurate? The reason the consititution has the right to a public trial with adeqate representation is so people are not railroaded for political or personel reasons.

I agree mitigating factors should be considered (like looking like a gangster) but lets have it out in the public forum and see the evidence. Then if found guilty deny him freedom or kill him whatever. Until then you are asking me to trust a govenment and politicians who everyone agrees has lied at one time or another.

The Constitution only applies to people who have those rights. By declaring him an enemy combatant, he no longer has human rights. He can pretty much be treated any way that the military wants to treat him. He should he glad that he'll at least be getting bread and water.

How can you call the Al Queada human? You insult the entire human race by classifying those butchers and barbarians as human.

The terrorists are winning. This is percisly what they want.

I know exactly what you mean. All these terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11 is scary. The fact of the matter is these terrorists will look for any excuse to kill. The only reason why they are not now is because they are running.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: fwtong

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

How do you know any of these charges are accurate? The reason the consititution has the right to a public trial with adeqate representation is so people are not railroaded for political or personel reasons.

I agree mitigating factors should be considered (like looking like a gangster) but lets have it out in the public forum and see the evidence. Then if found guilty deny him freedom or kill him whatever. Until then you are asking me to trust a govenment and politicians who everyone agrees has lied at one time or another.

The Constitution only applies to people who have those rights. By declaring him an enemy combatant, he no longer has human rights. He can pretty much be treated any way that the military wants to treat him. He should he glad that he'll at least be getting bread and water.

How can you call the Al Queada human? You insult the entire human race by classifying those butchers and barbarians as human.

The terrorists are winning. This is percisly what they want.

I know exactly what you mean. All these terrorist attacks on American soil since 9-11 is scary. The fact of the matter is these terrorists will look for any excuse to kill. The only reason why they are not now is because they are running.

Then catch them, try them, and punish them.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Alistar7


The officials said people in American custody indicated that Mr. Marri had visited a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, met with Osama bin Laden and pledged support for Al Qaeda's cause. He was assigned to help "settle" operatives for follow-up attacks after Sept. 11, officials said.

I'm just wondering since when did we consider comments by prisoners who were subjected to who-knows-what kind of interrogation method as evidence?

Do you believe we used anthrax on North Korea in the 50's? American marines in the custody of North Korea admitted to using them, so do believe them or do you have a double standard?

And why was he using the same calling card account?

"They added that Mr. Marri's effort to call a financier for Al Qaeda by using a calling card account also used by Mohammed Atta, ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, further corroborated his role."

Believe what you want, "George Bush is the debble bobby", that's a little too close for my comfort.

 

[Jadow]

a f-in 37 year old grad student. I hate those losers that never leave college.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Jadow
a f-in 37 year old grad student. I hate those losers that never leave college.

Slow learners...