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Bush comments on Religion

Cool, I'm not a big fan of church. I'd hate for Bush to make a law that forces me to go to church. It's bad enough he made it so I can only shop between 1-6PM on Sunday.
 
Most people I know are saying that voted for bushy because of social issues and not because of his stance on anything else.

And also it was fear.
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
K. makes sense.
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not only does it makes sense but quite frankly I'm surprised by Bush lately.

I guess he got a more informed advisor because so far hes doing a decent job moving forward and speaking to people outside of his base
 
This is the easy part where he only has to talk and not really act. Talk is cheap but by his fruits shall he be known. Bush is a fruitcake. That is known.
 
Originally posted by: silverghost
From here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...105/ap_on_el_pr/bush_1

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you ? you don't have to worship."
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That's why he's sending Federal money to churches as part of his Faith-Based Initiatives? That's why his campaign culled membership lists from Christian churches? That's why he's proposed a Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage?

Excuse me while I don't believe him.
 
Originally posted by: tallest1
not only does it makes sense but quite frankly I'm surprised by Bush lately.

I guess he got a more informed advisor because so far hes doing a decent job moving forward and speaking to people outside of his base
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I would agree, but speechs are easy. Actions are harder.

 
Originally posted by: conjur
That's why he's sending Federal money to churches as part of his Faith-Based Initiatives? That's why his campaign culled membership lists from Christian churches? That's why he's proposed a Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage?

Excuse me while I don't believe him.
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Hey if democrats where as big of church gogers as republcains are, they would be doing the same thing.

So your also saying that everyone that doesnt go to church on a regular basis is also pro gay marriage? Comeon back up your facts here...:roll:
 
Originally posted by: silverghost
Originally posted by: conjur
That's why he's sending Federal money to churches as part of his Faith-Based Initiatives? That's why his campaign culled membership lists from Christian churches? That's why he's proposed a Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage?

Excuse me while I don't believe him.
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Hey if democrats where as big of church gogers as republcains are, they would be doing the same thing.

So your also saying that everyone that doesnt go to church on a regular basis is also pro gay marriage? Comeon back up your facts here...:roll:
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Just a question here, is English your second language? If so, I can forgive the horrible spelling and grammar. If not, well, you need to brush up on your English skills.


As for your claims, there are MANY religious Democrats and even fundamentalists who are Democrats. Republicans don't own fundamentalism. BTW, Jesus was a liberal. Your second point is a strawman and is not related to this topic.
 
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: tallest1
not only does it makes sense but quite frankly I'm surprised by Bush lately.

I guess he got a more informed advisor because so far hes doing a decent job moving forward and speaking to people outside of his base
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I would agree, but speechs are easy. Actions are harder.
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true. I've almost forgotten how different Bush's 2000 spoken policies differ from his 2004 actions.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: silverghost
From here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...105/ap_on_el_pr/bush_1

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you ? you don't have to worship."
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That's why he's sending Federal money to churches as part of his Faith-Based Initiatives? That's why his campaign culled membership lists from Christian churches? That's why he's proposed a Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage?

Excuse me while I don't believe him.
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You forgot his recent statement where he wants to change the tax code to make it easier to give charity. Another way to fund his base?



 
Originally posted by: conjur
Just a question here, is English your second language? If so, I can forgive the horrible spelling and grammar. If not, well, you need to brush up on your English skills.
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So what if I can't spell properly (i know I can't)...this is not a college paper I'm writing here nor am I on debate team either.

As for your claims, there are MANY religious Democrats and even fundamentalists who are Democrats. Republicans don't own fundamentalism. BTW, Jesus was a liberal. Your second point is a strawman and is not related to this topic.
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If you want to throw around Fallacies here, you just using an ad hominem attack on me since you think I can't spell properly, what does that have to with the topic at hand?



 
Originally posted by: silverghost
Originally posted by: conjur
Just a question here, is English your second language? If so, I can forgive the horrible spelling and grammar. If not, well, you need to brush up on your English skills.
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So what if I can't spell properly (i know I can't)...this is not a college paper I'm writing here nor am I on debate team either.

As for your claims, there are MANY religious Democrats and even fundamentalists who are Democrats. Republicans don't own fundamentalism. BTW, Jesus was a liberal. Your second point is a strawman and is not related to this topic.
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If you want to throw around Fallacies here, you just using an ad hominem attack on me since you think I can't spell properly, what does that have to with the topic at hand?
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Nothing actually but that is how Conjur handles things when he cannot come up with any kind of hack argument. When he does that you know you have confounded him and it makes him irritable.
 
Originally posted by: silverghost
Originally posted by: conjur
Just a question here, is English your second language? If so, I can forgive the horrible spelling and grammar. If not, well, you need to brush up on your English skills.
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So what if I can't spell properly (i know I can't)...this is not a college paper I'm writing here nor am I on debate team either.
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I was honestly curious. My apologies if you took as an attack. It's hard to tell up here who is native American and is in another country.

As for your claims, there are MANY religious Democrats and even fundamentalists who are Democrats. Republicans don't own fundamentalism. BTW, Jesus was a liberal. Your second point is a strawman and is not related to this topic.
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If you want to throw around Fallacies here, you just using an ad hominem attack on me since you think I can't spell properly, what does that have to with the topic at hand?
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I am not attacking you but your complete diversion from the second point is duly noted.
 
Bush says one thing and does another. Typical politician. You gotta' watch these guys like a hawk. No carney card shark could outhustle these people.

--Robert
 
Hmm, it's a nice gesture, one which would mean more if that wasn't a fundamental principle of this country. The fact that the president feels the need to get up and tell us something like this worries me. It's like saying, "Don't worry, I'm not going to shut down all the TV News Stations except Fox News." Yeah, we know, it IS in the Constitution and all that.

But non-Christians voted overwhelmingly for Kerry...maybe that's what prompted this statement. If so, I'd like to believe him. This religious division that seems to be cropping up needs to be stopped, and since Bush is a man of faith who's very strongly supported by Christians as well as the President, he's the guy to do it. I hope he does.
 
Religion is coming, run for the hills, run for the hills.


Lets get serious folks, people came to the USA to escape tyranny and state sponsored religion. The great thing about America is that you can worship how you want to without being shot dead on the street, harassed, or thrown in jail.

What is the big deal here?

It is not like Bush is going to construct an Idol on the White house lawn and throw everyone in the furnace who refuses to bow down to it. It is not like there have never been religious people in politics. President Clinton went to chruch from time to time.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Just a question here, is English your second language? If so, I can forgive the horrible spelling and grammar. If not, well, you need to brush up on your English skills.
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Cut him some slack, conjur. He's from a blue state. 😉
 
Maybe we were looking at this election all wrong demographically. Let's take a look at it from a Christian vs. Non-Christian perspective. I'd assume most Christians voted for Bush, and most non-Christians for Kerry. If that is true, what we are seeing is a backlash from Christians who feel that Christianity is losing its meaning here in the US and that the television, movies, music, etc. are all a part of this. People are fed up. There is a cultural warfare brewing in the US, between the cities vs. rural/suburban areas.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Maybe we were looking at this election all wrong demographically. Let's take a look at it from a Christian vs. Non-Christian perspective. I'd assume most Christians voted for Bush, and most non-Christians for Kerry. If that is true, what we are seeing is a backlash from Christians who feel that Christianity is losing its meaning here in the US and that the television, movies, music, etc. are all a part of this. People are fed up.
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Very insightful post Anne. I'm impressed.

There is a cultural warfare brewing in the US, between the cities vs. rural/suburban areas.
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I disagree with this statement. I think it's more the Northeast & West Coast vs. the rest of the USA.
 
Originally posted by: Rob9874
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Maybe we were looking at this election all wrong demographically. Let's take a look at it from a Christian vs. Non-Christian perspective. I'd assume most Christians voted for Bush, and most non-Christians for Kerry. If that is true, what we are seeing is a backlash from Christians who feel that Christianity is losing its meaning here in the US and that the television, movies, music, etc. are all a part of this. People are fed up.
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Very insightful post Anne. I'm impressed.

There is a cultural warfare brewing in the US, between the cities vs. rural/suburban areas.
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I disagree with this statement. I think it's more the Northeast & West Coast vs. the rest of the USA.
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One could look at it that way, but your argument is flawed. Here in CA, we have our share of rural and agricultural areas and they all overwhelmingly voted for Bush. I'd say it's a war between big cities and rural/suburban areas.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

One could look at it that way, but your argument is flawed. Here in CA, we have our share of rural and agricultural areas and they all overwhelmingly voted for Bush. I'd say it's a war between big cities and rural/suburban areas.
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It's not as black and white as college educated city slickers vs. 6th grade dropout hillbillies in the back woods. I'm a staunch conservative, and live in the 5th largest metropolis area in the country. In fact, my entire county and state went Bush.
 
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