Bush chimp and Obama monkey, a tale of humor and racism

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Taejin

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.

Here is the crux of the thread. CsG wants to rebut anyone and everyone who sees the possible implicit racism stemming from depicting Obama as a monkey.

CsG is the kind of person who would put up swastikas in his front yard for whatever reason even if other people may perceive it as him being a supporter of the Nazi ideal. When others then accuse him of doing so, he will wave his hands excitedly, jump up and down and say 'GOTCHA! U R JUS BEING CLOSE MINDED IM NOT REALLY A NAZI HAHAHAHA.'

Keep waving your little hands and try to erase history, CsG. Maybe it'll work someday.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Nicely said. :thumbsup:

Thanks! :) ....seeing as he finally agreed with me regarding "case of the double standards in society re:race" ;)
Double standards exist...but this isn't one of them. Comparing blacks to monkeys is highly offensive and, you'll find, this is for very valid reasons assuming you care to do a little reading. Dude...your position is indefensible and you need to rethink this.

For once I'm going to weigh in on the other side. It's Obama's ears, not his race. With GWB, it's his face, not his race.

"Comparing blacks to monkeys'' would be wrong. A common assumption is that by comparing Obama to Curious George you are making a statement that blacks look like monkeys. Nonsense. The connection is that if you joke about Obama's appearance you are a racist. That's a threat. No one wants to be labeled a racist. Well I think it's about time that people and society in general grow up and stop looking under their beds for Communists, Terrorists, Racists, the Religious, Atheists- whatever. We're a screwed up paranoid society. It's just the flavor of the craziness which varies.
 

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Had he put them side by side to make it a case of the double standards in society re:race,

THAT IS WHAT HE DID. He put both shirts up in his "store". Sheesh.

Did they take down one or both shirts? If both were taken down, where is your double standard? Where is his reason for outrage?

From his own posting of the response he got from the site:

We find your images in bad taste and at this time we cannot have them on our website.
Your ticket code is LTK41908976190X. Please use this code in any further communication.
Best Regards,
Margene H. Content Usage Associate (650) xxx-xxxx (O) (650) xxx-xxxx (F) www.cafepress.com

Next bullshit argument that you want destroyed?

Wrong wrong wrong. If only you would have clicked the link in the OP before posting your first reply in this thread...

One with President Bush as a monkey, and the other of Obama. Identical shirts as you can see by the illustration.

The Obama shirt was immediately banned by both CafePress and Zazzle.



If you follow my link, you will see that the Bush as a monkey shirt is up for sale with all of the other Bush as a monkey shirts. Cafe Press has no problem with it. They banned the Obama shirt and sent me two nasty letters.


next apologist....

If only I would have clicked the link like you are saying. If only...if only....

BTW, where do you think that I copied/pasted the response from Cafepress that he posted on the site from?

You epic fail when it comes to comprehension and logic.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.

Here is the crux of the thread. CsG wants to rebut anyone and everyone who sees the possible implicit racism stemming from depicting Obama as a monkey.

CsG is the kind of person who would put up swastikas in his front yard for whatever reason even if other people may perceive it as him being a supporter of the Nazi ideal. When others then accuse him of doing so, he will wave his hands excitedly, jump up and down and say 'GOTCHA! U R JUS BEING CLOSE MINDED IM NOT REALLY A NAZI HAHAHAHA.'

Keep waving your little hands and try to erase history, CsG. Maybe it'll work someday.

And more nonsense. CAD will tell you that he and I agree on very few things, but I'm going to defend him here. If you want to believe that it's racist OK. Keep it as an opinion and I'm ok with it. Now if you want to censure those whom don't agree with that, I have a problem. What's this Nazi crap? He has an opinion which differs from yours, and for that he's like someone putting up Swastikas? Ridiculous.
 
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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Nicely said. :thumbsup:

Thanks! :) ....seeing as he finally agreed with me regarding "case of the double standards in society re:race" ;)
Double standards exist...but this isn't one of them. Comparing blacks to monkeys is highly offensive and, you'll find, this is for very valid reasons assuming you care to do a little reading. Dude...your position is indefensible and you need to rethink this.

For once I'm going to weigh in on the other side. It's Obama's ears, not his race. With GWB, it's his face, not his race.

"Comparing blacks to monkeys'' would be wrong. A common assumption is that by comparing Obama to Curious George you are making a statement that blacks look like monkeys. Nonsense. The connection is that if you joke about Obama's appearance you are a racist. That's a threat. No one wants to be labeled a racist. Well I think it's about time that people and society in general grow up and stop looking under their beds for Communists, Terrorists, Racists, the Religious, Atheists- whatever. We're a screwed up paranoid society. It's just the flavor of the craziness which varies.
The comparison being based on the size of Obama's ears is your personal perception. Others obviously perceive this differently. I think it's just plain common sense to exhibit a little sensitivity out of respect for others who don't quite see things the way you do and view this comparison as extremely offensive.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: DealMonkey


Nicely said. :thumbsup:

Thanks! :) ....seeing as he finally agreed with me regarding "case of the double standards in society re:race" ;)
Double standards exist...but this isn't one of them. Comparing blacks to monkeys is highly offensive and, you'll find, this is for very valid reasons assuming you care to do a little reading. Dude...your position is indefensible and you need to rethink this.

For once I'm going to weigh in on the other side. It's Obama's ears, not his race. With GWB, it's his face, not his race.

"Comparing blacks to monkeys'' would be wrong. A common assumption is that by comparing Obama to Curious George you are making a statement that blacks look like monkeys. Nonsense. The connection is that if you joke about Obama's appearance you are a racist. That's a threat. No one wants to be labeled a racist. Well I think it's about time that people and society in general grow up and stop looking under their beds for Communists, Terrorists, Racists, the Religious, Atheists- whatever. We're a screwed up paranoid society. It's just the flavor of the craziness which varies.
The comparison being based on the size of Obama's ears is your personal perception. Others obviously perceive this differently. I think it's just plain common sense to exhibit a little sensitivity out of respect for others who don't quite see things the way you do and view this comparison as extremely offensive.

That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. What I dislike is not differing opinions, but the willingness for one side to bludgeon the other when it feels slighted. This is independent of the issue at hand. If given a choice between freedom of speech (which includes your right to disagree with a given topic) and worrying about offending someone, I'll take the former, regardless of the issue.

There are serious problems facing this country. I think that part of the problem with race in America is that people (no matter how ignorant) are afraid to do so without being labeled this or that.

I'll lead off and say that I think a large part of the race issue is the black community at large. My wife teaches college, and there is a sense of entitlement based on race from some students. Some actually expect to be given preferential treatment and grades based on their being black. Is this universal? No, because there isn't anything inherently inferior about being black, BUT there is something inherently racist when any people feel entitled to that which others do not have based on the color of their skin. This is not an isolated case BTW. There are other issues, like the acceptance of violence, single motherhood, a whole host of problems endemic in the culture (and I work in black neighborhoods so I see a lot of this first hand).

At some point someone need to say "Hey, I'm sorry for all the crap that's happened and I think you need a real chance, but you are ultimately responsible for yourself, no one else. Not government, not whites, not your fellow blacks. As a human you are responsible."

I saw someone say something to this effect at a college once, and they were booed off the stage as being racist. The lesson was clear. Thou shalt not be critical.

Until people feel free to discuss the issues without fear of retaliation, there will be no progress.

With crime and poverty running rampant, we worry because someone might be making a racial statement with Obama? Screwed up priorities.
 

AAjax

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you....

Bush has been pictured as a monkey for years.

Bush is white by the way.
And has the facial features of a chimp. Obama looks more like an Elephant with his large long ears, he does not resemble a chimp.

Really....

Bush.jpg

Obama.jpg

Darn it we all look like monkeys, you know why? We are friggin monkeys.

End thread
 

BladeVenom

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FISA proves that Obama is no better than Bush. So he should get the same insults. It's only fair and logical unless you're a racist who think blacks can't handle the same insults Bush has endured.
 

Excelsior

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I hate political correctness, but this isn't a double standard. Referring to blacks as monkeys, apes, gorillas, or primates of any kind is and has been racist for some time now. Calling a Caucasian person a monkey is not in the same ballpark.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BladeVenom
FISA proves that Obama is no better than Bush. So he should get the same insults. It's only fair and logical unless you're a racist who think blacks can't handle the same insults Bush has endured.
What world do you live in? I can assure you that McCain's people would slam anybody of any significance in their party or of their mouthpiece, the Faux News Channel, who compared Obama to a monkey
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: lupi
Whites were being taken as slave oh, around two thousand or so yers before the first black was brought to north america. I guess that means whitey is the one to really be mad.

Come on, lupi. That comparison is weak and you know it. We're not talking about biblical times. We're talking about the way blacks were/are treated in this country, by (not all) whites, and in the last few decades.

Seeing how currently it all exist in the eye of the beholder, I'm calling it quite valid.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BladeVenom
FISA proves that Obama is no better than Bush. So he should get the same insults. It's only fair and logical unless you're a racist who think blacks can't handle the same insults Bush has endured.

This post is so confusing and insane on so many levels.
 

BladeVenom

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Do I really need to break out the Crayola font and make it any simpler for you?

Chimps have white skin. So I guess that makes it more racist to call Bush a chimp than it is to call Obama a chimp.

So I guess it just comes down to the fact that people just don't think Obama is tough enough to handle the same insults that Bush has had to handle.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Do I really need to break out the Crayola font and make it any simpler for you?

Chimps have white skin. So I guess that makes it more racist to call Bush a chimp than it is to call Obama a chimp.

So I guess it just comes down to the fact that people just don't think Obama is tough enough to handle the same insults that Bush has had to handle.

That's really stupid. You don't honestly believe that do you?
 

Vic

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Nothing like seeing the usual hacks be purposefully obtuse. Are you gonna cry free speech and political correctness because of a privately-owned website again? Why, the govt should step in in the interest of 'Fairness,' shouldn't it?

:roll:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Do I really need to break out the Crayola font and make it any simpler for you?

Chimps have white skin. So I guess that makes it more racist to call Bush a chimp than it is to call Obama a chimp.

So I guess it just comes down to the fact that people just don't think Obama is tough enough to handle the same insults that Bush has had to handle.

That's really stupid. You don't honestly believe that do you?

Thank goodness for the Internet, without it Shut-Ins like him wouldn't have a voice.
 

Toastedlightly

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Calling blacks monkys is racist, correct? Why is it racist? It is because it was an insult used to demean the entire race because monkys are "inferior". Okay.

Calling white monkys is not racist, correct? Why is the same insult different for people of two different races? Because blacks resemble monkys 1% more?

Is this ok in any sense?
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Calling blacks monkys is racist, correct? Why is it racist? It is because it was an insult used to demean the entire race because monkys are "inferior". Okay.

Calling white monkys is not racist, correct? Why is the same insult different for people of two different races? Because blacks resemble monkys 1% more?

Is this ok in any sense?

What is it racist to call a black person a N**** but to call a white person it isn't?

Why is it discrimination against handicapped people not to provided handicapped parking spaces?

 

whistleclient

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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Calling blacks monkys is racist, correct? Why is it racist? It is because it was an insult used to demean the entire race because monkys are "inferior". Okay.

Calling white monkys is not racist, correct? Why is the same insult different for people of two different races? Because blacks resemble monkys 1% more?

Is this ok in any sense?

Because for many years during and after slavery black people were depicted (graphically) as monkeys to show they were worth less than white people, . This did not happen to white people. Why? Because we were in charge.

Different things are sensitive to different races. I'm confused you don't understand this.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: tangent1138
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Calling blacks monkys is racist, correct? Why is it racist? It is because it was an insult used to demean the entire race because monkys are "inferior". Okay.

Calling white monkys is not racist, correct? Why is the same insult different for people of two different races? Because blacks resemble monkys 1% more?

Is this ok in any sense?

Because for many years during and after slavery black people were depicted (graphically) as monkeys to show they were worth less than white people, . This did not happen to white people. Why? Because we were in charge.

Different things are sensitive to different races. I'm confused you don't understand this.
They do, they're just being obtuse.
 

Taejin

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They do understand it, they're just claiming it shouldn't matter. That's why I brought up the swastikas. Swastika's shouldn't matter, right? Burning crosses shouldn't matter, right? White, pointy headed masks shouldn't matter, right? The people in this thread are either astronomically dense or just being difficult. They are trying to claim that past history shouldn't matter, trying to call it being 'too PC' or whatever nonsense. The fact is, people will view our present and our future through the lessons and experiences we have accrued in the past. Only when the past becomes ancient history will we cease to associate depicting black people are monkeys to racism.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Taejin
They do understand it, they're just claiming it shouldn't matter. That's why I brought up the swastikas. Swastika's shouldn't matter, right? Burning crosses shouldn't matter, right? White, pointy headed masks shouldn't matter, right? The people in this thread are either astronomically dense or just being difficult. They are trying to claim that past history shouldn't matter, trying to call it being 'too PC' or whatever nonsense. The fact is, people will view our present and our future through the lessons and experiences we have accrued in the past. Only when the past becomes ancient history will we cease to associate depicting black people are monkeys to racism.

The whole thing started because someone said that Obama looked like Curious George. Someone could have said "dude that's just wrong". Instead we get swastikas, crosses and hoods. Usually it's from whites, not blacks.

Out of curiosity, I asked a couple black people that live in the inner city about this. They hadn't heard of it, but when I did they laughed. I then asked about the race issue, and they rolled their eyes.

Now they're inner city blacks who make little more than minimum wage. Of all the things their worried about this isn't one of them.

Oh, the response to this thread in general? "Crazy white people". Know what? I laughed.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Taejin
They do understand it, they're just claiming it shouldn't matter. That's why I brought up the swastikas. Swastika's shouldn't matter, right? Burning crosses shouldn't matter, right? White, pointy headed masks shouldn't matter, right? The people in this thread are either astronomically dense or just being difficult. They are trying to claim that past history shouldn't matter, trying to call it being 'too PC' or whatever nonsense. The fact is, people will view our present and our future through the lessons and experiences we have accrued in the past. Only when the past becomes ancient history will we cease to associate depicting black people are monkeys to racism.

The whole thing started because someone said that Obama looked like Curious George. Someone could have said "dude that's just wrong". Instead we get swastikas, crosses and hoods. Usually it's from whites, not blacks.

Out of curiosity, I asked a couple black people that live in the inner city about this. They hadn't heard of it, but when I did they laughed. I then asked about the race issue, and they rolled their eyes.

Now they're inner city blacks who make little more than minimum wage. Of all the things their worried about this isn't one of them.

Oh, the response to this thread in general? "Crazy white people". Know what? I laughed.

Speaking of crazy white people Nice shirt Winston:laugh:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.

Here is the crux of the thread. CsG wants to rebut anyone and everyone who sees the possible implicit racism stemming from depicting Obama as a monkey.

CsG is the kind of person who would put up swastikas in his front yard for whatever reason even if other people may perceive it as him being a supporter of the Nazi ideal. When others then accuse him of doing so, he will wave his hands excitedly, jump up and down and say 'GOTCHA! U R JUS BEING CLOSE MINDED IM NOT REALLY A NAZI HAHAHAHA.'

Keep waving your little hands and try to erase history, CsG. Maybe it'll work someday.

And more nonsense. CAD will tell you that he and I agree on very few things, but I'm going to defend him here. If you want to believe that it's racist OK. Keep it as an opinion and I'm ok with it. Now if you want to censure those whom don't agree with that, I have a problem. What's this Nazi crap? He has an opinion which differs from yours, and for that he's like someone putting up Swastikas? Ridiculous.

Shhh.... you know damn well there is no place for common sense in here... ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.

Here is the crux of the thread. CsG wants to rebut anyone and everyone who sees the possible implicit racism stemming from depicting Obama as a monkey.

CsG is the kind of person who would put up swastikas in his front yard for whatever reason even if other people may perceive it as him being a supporter of the Nazi ideal. When others then accuse him of doing so, he will wave his hands excitedly, jump up and down and say 'GOTCHA! U R JUS BEING CLOSE MINDED IM NOT REALLY A NAZI HAHAHAHA.'

Keep waving your little hands and try to erase history, CsG. Maybe it'll work someday.

Eh? Are you for real? Or just still in junior high and can't help it.

You morons can try to paint me as a racist all you want but it doesn't change the facts. This dude didn't put a swastika on his lawn. He put obama's face on a shirt - a shirt exactly like the shirt he put Bush's face on. He did not put a "black guy's" face - he put Obama's face- which had nothing to do with race.

Meh... some of you will just never get it and will cling to your hyper-sensitivities. It's sad really....