Bush chimp and Obama monkey, a tale of humor and racism

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Robor

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Question for everyone...

Obviously comparing Obama to a monkey is wrong, but what if we compared him to dumbo due to his big ears?
Think that would fly? Someone send an e-mail to the blog in the OP and see what happens.

IIRC I think I remember his wife saying something about him resembling Dumbo.

There are millions of ways to make insulting T-shirts about Obama that aren't racist. The problem isn't making a shirt that insults him, it's just that idiot's website where he's shocked... SHOCKED that a website would delete a shirt that said a black guy was a monkey.

Yep, that's what I mean. If the shirt had Bush as a Curious George the chimp and Obama as Dumbo the elephant it wouldn't be racist. Whites haven't been slurred as chimps and blacks blacks have not been slurred as elephants. Blacks and monkeys? Just ask Howard Cossell (sp?).

The conservatives and their feigned outrage seems to be 'in' this election.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: jonks
I think this thread really proves the point, racists are so stupid they don't even know what racism is. They simply cannot comprehend how comparing a white guy to a monkey and comparing a black guy to a monkey might elicit different responses. It's beyond them.

Its quite clear to me. Its also quite sad we still hold on to our outdated views.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you probably wouldn't be arguing this stupid, indefensible comparison if you were black yourself.

...or in person among a group of black people. I'd love to hear him explain why they're wrong and shouldn't be offended by a black man portrayed as a monkey. :laugh:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

No, you are the one having that issue since you don't seem to have read the link. They SET THIS UP to show the double standard. Why can't you understand that? Because it destroys your "RACIST" argument?
Unless your are an oversensitive PC nut - racism is about intent and clearly there was no racist intent in making two shirts to sell side by side.

So if I go burn a cross into a black guy's lawn but it was just a HILARIOUS JOKE then people shouldn't have a problem with it? My argument was never that the guy that made the shirt had to be racist, but the shirt itself certainly provided a racist message as interpreted by all non-insane people in America. This is why that website would remove it... because they aren't insane. If I were to dress up as a KKK guy for Halloween and go around a black neighborhood, even if I were just doing it as a joke and didn't have a racist bone in my body, should I be shocked when people sanction (kick my ass) for it? No, because I'm not insane.

:roll: You still don't understand what a double standard is from the looks of it. Where would burning a cross on a lawn be "normal". You seem to think "joke"="double standard" from what you keep posting. You've obviously missed the point as have many of the over sensitive PC nuts here.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Vic
Troll thread.

Because everyone knows that Bush is caricatured as a chimp solely because he's white, and that blacks have never been equated as monkeys just for being black.

This thread proves that any hack can argue anything as long as all relevant context is removed.

And BTW, I'm sick of the self-professed free market small government right wingers having no clue what free speech is. You have NO free speech rights with private business. Getting censored off a privately-owned website is in no way a violation of free speech. Get a clue.

I haven't seen any reference to "free speech rights" in this thread. Are you just trying to stuff a bit of straw...?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Are you surprised?
That you idiots would try to make something out of this? You're republican so of course not. We've all come to expect your feigned outrage.

One is a mocking of the single person's similar expressions to that of a primate and the other is a racially charged slur for an entire ethnic group.

Gee, I'm shocked that the "official censorship czar" at one of the websites that the idio...er...experimenter tried to peddle his bigoted ideas didn't allow it.

Right. And one is "a racially charged slur" because why? Because of his skin color? So you are saying that it's OK to say Bush looks like a chimp but it's not ok to say that BHO looks like a chimp? :confused:

It's a racially charged slur because WHITE people compared BLACK people to chimps and said that was the reason why they were not human enough to have freedoms/vote/etc.

Are you totally ignorant? Where did you get your education? You might want to try looking a little deeper past the stagnant pool of your insipid thoughts before opening that piehole and embarassing yourself again.

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
BTW, this strikes me as one of those idiotic college republican stunts wherein they unintentionally prove that they're racist morons perfectly willing to ignore 400 years of oppression against African Americans.

Caucasian American Fund

Racist bake sale

:roll:

The quicker people like you die off the sooner we can be over this feigned issue. I live near the ocean, I have yet to see any boat come in with blacks tied down topside ready to be sold nor have I seen a merchant stand at the marketplace ready to have fresh bodies up for auction.

You want slavery so you can talk about this shit to someone that cares, have fun in Africa, SA/Carribean, and SE Asia. The nice thing on 2 of those 3 is that it's blacks enslaving other blacks. Now show me some good ole outrage.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Are you surprised?
That you idiots would try to make something out of this? You're republican so of course not. We've all come to expect your feigned outrage.

One is a mocking of the single person's similar expressions to that of a primate and the other is a racially charged slur for an entire ethnic group.

Gee, I'm shocked that the "official censorship czar" at one of the websites that the idio...er...experimenter tried to peddle his bigoted ideas didn't allow it.

Right. And one is "a racially charged slur" because why? Because of his skin color? So you are saying that it's OK to say Bush looks like a chimp but it's not ok to say that BHO looks like a chimp? :confused:

It's a racially charged slur because WHITE people compared BLACK people to chimps and said that was the reason why they were not human enough to have freedoms/vote/etc.

Are you totally ignorant? Where did you get your education? You might want to try looking a little deeper past the stagnant pool of your insipid thoughts before opening that piehole and embarassing yourself again.

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Taejin
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Are you surprised?
That you idiots would try to make something out of this? You're republican so of course not. We've all come to expect your feigned outrage.

One is a mocking of the single person's similar expressions to that of a primate and the other is a racially charged slur for an entire ethnic group.

Gee, I'm shocked that the "official censorship czar" at one of the websites that the idio...er...experimenter tried to peddle his bigoted ideas didn't allow it.

Right. And one is "a racially charged slur" because why? Because of his skin color? So you are saying that it's OK to say Bush looks like a chimp but it's not ok to say that BHO looks like a chimp? :confused:

It's a racially charged slur because WHITE people compared BLACK people to chimps and said that was the reason why they were not human enough to have freedoms/vote/etc.

Are you totally ignorant? Where did you get your education? You might want to try looking a little deeper past the stagnant pool of your insipid thoughts before opening that piehole and embarassing yourself again.

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

Uhh... Bush isn't black and he was caracatured as a monkey. So duh - yes.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Vic

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you....

Bush has been pictured as a monkey for years.

Bush is white by the way.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you....

Bush has been pictured as a monkey for years.

Bush is white by the way.
And has the facial features of a chimp. Obama looks more like an Elephant with his large long ears, he does not resemble a chimp.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you....

Bush has been pictured as a monkey for years.

Bush is white by the way.
And has the facial features of a chimp. Obama looks more like an Elephant with his large long ears, he does not resemble a chimp.

To you. I have a differing opinion. But not that I can post that...because blacks were called monkeys by stupid racist people.... :roll:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.
So according to you it would be OK to characterize an Asian as having thick glasses and buck teeth?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
BTW, this strikes me as one of those idiotic college republican stunts wherein they unintentionally prove that they're racist morons perfectly willing to ignore 400 years of oppression against African Americans.

Caucasian American Fund

Racist bake sale

:roll:

The quicker people like you die off the sooner we can be over this feigned issue. I live near the ocean, I have yet to see any boat come in with blacks tied down topside ready to be sold nor have I seen a merchant stand at the marketplace ready to have fresh bodies up for auction.

You want slavery so you can talk about this shit to someone that cares, have fun in Africa, SA/Carribean, and SE Asia. The nice thing on 2 of those 3 is that it's blacks enslaving other blacks. Now show me some good ole outrage.

You mystify me. So you're saying because there's no slavery that there's no prejudice or discrimination against black people? Wow, that sounds remarkably naive, kinda like SpecOp's suggestion that if we just ignore racism that it'll just go away.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
To you. I have a differing opinion. But not that I can post that...because blacks were called monkeys by stupid racist people.... :roll:

So is it acceptable in your opinion to use the word "nig***" while you're portraying black people as monkeys?
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

:roll: The only people who should be embarassed are you over-senstive PC types that only see "racism" in this. It has NOTHING to do with racism if you'd actually look at what the guy did. Sheesh. It was showing a double standard and you freaks fell for it as usual. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad...

How many more people are going to have to dogpile you until you admit you're wrong? The only way this is a double standard is if you omit approximately 3 centuries of people denigrating black people by comparing them to animals, monkeys in particular.

I simply cannot believe some of the stupid shit you cling to.

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.
So according to you it would be OK to characterize an Asian as having thick glasses and buck teeth?

Eh? relevance?
I have already stated that if some random guy decided to put obama on a monkey pic it could be considered racist depending on his intent. However, it seems too many people have become so overly sensitive that intent means nothing - only the "offended" person's feelings and interpretation. It's F'n ridiculous.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Vic

Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

You're not exactly Mr. Current Affairs are you....

Bush has been pictured as a monkey for years.

Bush is white by the way.
And has the facial features of a chimp. Obama looks more like an Elephant with his large long ears, he does not resemble a chimp.

Never seen a big eared monkey before?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Vic
Would Obama be caricatured as a monkey if he wasn't half-black?

Probably, b/c he's a dead ringer for Curious George, but b/c of historical racism comparing blacks to monkeys, one doesn't make such a comparison. Nazi's used to compare Jews to rats in their propaganda, with posters of Jews with rat noses. It would be pretty offensive if a poster was released a picture of a prominent jew with a rat nose regardless if the guy actually looked like a rat in real life, or if he 'ratted' someone out. Just pick another caricature trait to parody. Being cognizant of past racism in one's actions isn't being oversensitive, it's being sensitive. No one is saying people can't legally make these comparison, just that it's still a dick move. Maybe in 100 years it won't be, but for now, it still is.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
To you. I have a differing opinion. But not that I can post that...because blacks were called monkeys by stupid racist people.... :roll:

So is it acceptable in your opinion to use the word "nig***" while you're portraying black people as monkeys?

I don't protray "black people" as monkeys. I also do not use that term. Got any others angles to try to claim I'm racist? :roll:
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

You oversensitive PC freaks can dog-pile all you want, it doesn't change the facts.

IMO, I don't see how people like you cling to all the stupid shit you do - like this issue. You cling to the victimization. You cling to the PC view. Wake the F up and realize that people like you with their over-sensitivity are what is now in the way of "fixing" racism.

What you're writing is just incredibly ignorant. Not only was this tapping into a racist jab at black people that has been going on for centuries, but implicit association tests show that white people associate blacks with animals as well.

Only an incredible moron would be shocked or offended that people would get angry at a T-shirt showing a prominent black man as a monkey. If that's who you want to be, by all means continue wallowing in your own stupidity.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I have already stated that if some random guy decided to put obama on a monkey pic it could be considered racist depending on his intent. However, it seems too many people have become so overly sensitive that intent means nothing - only the "offended" person's feelings and interpretation. It's F'n ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is non-blacks telling blacks what they should and shouldn't be offended by.

(I say that assuming anyone who is black and isn't offended by this would say so)

 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
BTW, this strikes me as one of those idiotic college republican stunts wherein they unintentionally prove that they're racist morons perfectly willing to ignore 400 years of oppression against African Americans.

Caucasian American Fund

Racist bake sale

:roll:

The quicker people like you die off the sooner we can be over this feigned issue. I live near the ocean, I have yet to see any boat come in with blacks tied down topside ready to be sold nor have I seen a merchant stand at the marketplace ready to have fresh bodies up for auction.

You want slavery so you can talk about this shit to someone that cares, have fun in Africa, SA/Carribean, and SE Asia. The nice thing on 2 of those 3 is that it's blacks enslaving other blacks. Now show me some good ole outrage.

Still a little sore about Hillary losing aren't you, especially to a black guy.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I have already stated that if some random guy decided to put obama on a monkey pic it could be considered racist depending on his intent. However, it seems too many people have become so overly sensitive that intent means nothing - only the "offended" person's feelings and interpretation. It's F'n ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is non-blacks telling blacks what they should and shouldn't be offended by.

(I say that assuming anyone who is black and isn't offended by this would say so)

Maybe we should just tell CAD that he shouldn't be offended by PC things.

CAD YOU BEING OFFENDED BY PC IS WHY THE PC THING WON'T GO AWAY.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I have already stated that if some random guy decided to put obama on a monkey pic it could be considered racist depending on his intent. However, it seems too many people have become so overly sensitive that intent means nothing - only the "offended" person's feelings and interpretation. It's F'n ridiculous.

What's ridiculous is non-blacks telling blacks what they should and shouldn't be offended by.

(I say that assuming anyone who is black and isn't offended by this would say so)

When the reaction is to scream "racism" when there is none - yes, I will tell anyone to STFU no matter what their skin color is. You see, the rules don't change just because of your skin color like you are suggesting. IMO to have different sets of rules based on it is racist. Thus the the whole double standard issue.
It's sad that you people can't see the double standard and cling to your victimism...