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Bush, Cheney Run to Middle East; Demand Help from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Others to escape Iraqi Trap

Narmer

Diamond Member
Ladies and gentlemen, we're starting to see the beginning of Bush's secret plan for Iraq: Panic Attack. That's right, they're probably threatening their Arab Allies who were against the war into helping them tame their arab brethern. It's unprecedented to have the President and Vice President in the same region in such a short time span unless something huge is at stake.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

LAST THROES

THE MARCH OF FREEDOM

BUSH: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WAR, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT PEACE.


Cheney meets with Saudi king over Iran, Lebanon, Palestinians

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By The Associated Press

U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney held talks with King Abdullah on Saturday seeking Saudi Arabia's help on dealing with the spiraling violence in Iraq and a string of crises in the Mideast where American policy is on the line: Iran, Lebanon and the Palestinians.

Cheney's brief trip to the kingdom, which lasted less than a day, underlined the two allies' concerns over the upheavals across the region that many Arabs blame on U.S. policies and Washington and Riyadh's determination to explore ways to break the deadlock - if only partially.

In a sign of the urgency of the U.S. concern in the Middle East, President George W. Bush is scheduled to meet with Iraq's prime minister in the Jordanian capital Wednesday and Thursday - an unusual sucession of visits by the president and vice president to the region.

Both trips were planned before outbursts of violence this weeks dramatically worsened the situation in two countries of key U.S. interest, Iraq and Lebanon.

On the Palestinian front, the official said Saudi Arabia hopes that Washington would not snub any Palestinian government that emerges from talks between Hamas and the moderate Fatah faction.

Washington has shunned the government led by the militant Palestinian group, which has refused to recognize Israel and renounce violence. Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, of Fatah, is trying to work out a new national unity government with Hamas, but Arabs are hoping the U.S. will be flexible with how much Hamas must moderate or be sidelined in a new government to allow a resumption of the peace process with U.S. ally Israel.

On Lebanon, Saudi Arabia wants to ensure there are no cracks in the support for the U.S.-backed government, which groups allied with Syria and Iran want to overthrow, the official said. Saudi Arabia has strong links to the anti-Syrian bloc that dominates Lebanon's Cabinet.

On Tuesday, an anti-Syrian Lebanese politician was gunned down in Beirut, highlighting the fragility of the U.S.-backed government and threatening to push Lebanon's political crisis into turmoil. Then in Iraq, Sunni insurgents unleashed a string of car bombs that killed more than 200 people Thursday in a Shiite district of Baghdad, giving a new push to Iraq's descent into chaos.

The worsening situation underlined the U.S. need for backing from oil-rich Saudi Arabia as well as the need to reassure a top ally in the Middle East about American plans.

Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries are also deeply concerned over the West's confrontation with Iran over that nation's nuclear facilities. Gulf countries worry about the possibility of Iran developing nuclear weapons and its attempts to expand its influence in the Middle East. But at the same time, they fear the fallout will hit them if the West's attempts to force Iran to back down in its program bring Iranian reprisals.

Iran, the United States' top rival in the Middle East, had planned its own summit Saturday, inviting the presidents of Iraq and Syria in what was seen as a bid to assert its role as a powerbroker in the Iraqi conflict.

But Syria never responded to the invitation, in what may be an effort to avoid antagonizing the United States. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani was unable to go to Iran on Saturday because Baghdad's airport was ordered closed after the burst of violence and he said he would be unable to visit Iran before Sunday at the earliest.

Cheney was expected to ask Saudi Arabia to use its considerable influence with Iraq's Sunni minority, whose insurgents have carried out some of the bloodiest attacks against U.S. troops and Iraqi Shiites, to promote reconciliation with the country's Shiites and Kurds, a Saudi official said.

In return, Saudi Arabia will ask the U.S. to help rein in Iraq's Shiite militias, blamed in sectarian attacks that have killed thousands, the official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

That demand could be hard for Washington to achieve. The United States has already been pressing Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to crack down on Shiite militias, but he has balked since the militias are linked to Shiite political parties he relies on in his government.

After Thursday's slaughter of Shiites, it will be even harder to take action against militias. In the wake of the bombings, one of the Shiite parties threatened to withdraw from al-Maliki's government if he went ahead with the summit with Bush. The White House said the meeting was still on.

The kingdom, which shares a 900-kilometer border with Iraq, has repeatedly voiced concern over the violence there, urging the United States to do something to bring calm. On Monday, the Saudi Cabinet urged U.S.-led troops to protect Iraq's borders and prevent external political, intelligence or security hegemony over parts of the country.
 
I'm not sure that will work but the thought of democracy in the middle east seems to be spreading.


Many voters played down the significance of the historic vote. For decades, ordinary Bahrainis have had little say in a government controlled the family of King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa and his uncle, Prime Minister Khalifa bin Salman Al Khalifa.

An election in 2002 ? the first since parliament was dissolved in 1975 ? was marred by boycott of opposition Shiites and liberals.

"For 30 years we had no say over what our government does," said opposition candidate Huda al-Mutawah, after she cast a ballot for herself. "This is the beginning. It's not complete democracy, but it's a start."

Limited power for elected officials
No matter what the results, the power of those elected remains limited. Their chamber is tempered by the 40 members of the upper chamber appointed by King Hamad, who must approve any legislation. Opposition members say that system preserves Sunni dominance.

Bahrain's vote has already been a landmark for women, who failed to win seats in 2002. This year they are guaranteed a seat, since pro-government candidate Latifa al-Gaoud is running uncontested. Al-Gaoud will be the first female legislator in the Gulf. Seventeen other women are vying for parliamentary posts.

Among Bahrain's Gulf neighbors, Kuwait allowed women to vote and run for office for the first time in elections held in June. No female candidates won, but a woman was handed a Cabinet post. Qatar and Oman have held low-level elections and the United Arab Emirates has announced similar plans. Saudi Arabia held municipal elections but, alone among Mideast nations, barred women's participation.


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Interesting! who knows how it will all turn out ?it definately is thier own forms of Democracy though.
 
The nations surrounding Iraq have much to lose if Iraq goes into a total civil war---because its anyones guess on how the violence will spread. So a certain FUD factor here
along with possible greed--if one or more neighbors figure they can can gain in the resulting chaos---and hence have contingency plans to act together in picking up the pieces.

I still have to figure Bush&Cheney doing some jawboning here is still a positive step---even though its many years late. But at the rate things are going in Iraq---we may just wake up one day and discover stay the course has suddenly turned into total anarchy and civil war.

And the epitaph will read Bush& Cheney fiddled while Iraq burned.

Precisely what Bush&Cheney lack is a sense of urgency and panic. Because time is rapidly running out.
 
On the talking heads today---a featured guest---King Abdula of Jordan warned that the mid-east could be facing three full blown civil wars---one regarding the Palestinians, one over Lebanon, and the other in Iraq. Interestingly, the civil war in Iraq was the lowest on the Jordanian King's fear meter. But any one civil war could easily ignite the other two.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: eits
middle east: "get on your knees... no teeth."

Nah, that doesn't work. We're the ones trying to get the gooey liquid out of there.

that's pretty much what i said... you must have misread my post.
 
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