Bush Can't Stop Lying

[DealMonkey]

It's no wonder Bush's approval ratings are at such dismal lows -- he can't even talk a straight line to the American public anymore. His latest "campaign offensive," launched against Democrats who have dared to question the administration's flimsy and shifting rationale for war in Iraq, was as pathetic as it was mostly untrue.

Let's examine the two main thrusts of Bush's recent claims:

1.) Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war.

Only partially true. Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.

2.) Independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

NOT true. The only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions.

No wonder the American public no longer supports this idiot, his ability to "straight talk" has been hampered by his increasing penchant for half-truths and outright lies. Go figure.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's no wonder Bush's approval ratings are at such dismal lows -- he can't even talk a straight line to the American public anymore. His latest "campaign offensive," launched against Democrats who have dared to question the administration's flimsy and shifting rationale for war in Iraq, was as pathetic as it was mostly untrue.

Let's examine the two main thrusts of Bush's recent claims:

1.) Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war.

Only partially true. Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.

2.) Independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

NOT true. The only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions.

No wonder the American public no longer supports this idiot, his ability to "straight talk" has been hampered by his increasing penchant for half-truths and outright lies. Go figure.

I think what is even sadder is the Republican supporter parrots especially the ones in here.

They take the GOP Talking points straight from the GOP Brainwashing machine websites and post them verbatim on here.

What is even sadder than that is that it works on the average joe blow religious sheeple.

I can't believe my eyes and ears that I have witnessed how easily it was done to the 1930's Germany of how easily it was done here only 70 years later.

Incredible and sad.

 

[jackschmittusa]

I have been saying for a long time that Congress DID NOT have the same intel as the Administration. Every time GWB says they did, I just wish someone would jump up and slap him.

My first real interest in a President was Ike. Not all of the Presidents since then together, have pissed me off as much as GWB. I, for one, am sick of his BS.

 

[techs]

When Bushes lips are moving he's lying. It just took America awhile to get thru the propaganda.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: techs
When Bushes lips are moving he's lying. It just took America awhile to get thru the propaganda.

Maybe he keeps underfunding education because he's hoping to get more functionally illiterate Americans who'll buy into his BS. :|

See my sig.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: techs
When Bushes lips are moving he's lying. It just took America awhile to get thru the propaganda.

Maybe he keeps underfunding education because he's hoping to get more functionally illiterate Americans who'll buy into his BS. :|

See my sig.

Functionally illiterate = fundamentalist Christian = base

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

George W. Bush is a liar. Tell me something I don't know.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Functionally illiterate = fundamentalist Christian = base

I wouldn't go quite that far as that kind of generalization. I've known some Christian fundies who actually had enough sense to show some tolerance for others with different beliefs. Of course, those idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson, etc. don't do much to improve the overall image of those who consider themselves to be "true believers."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
George W. Bush is a liar. Tell me something I don't know.

Well, for those who have a difficult time noticing the lies, I thought I'd point out some real recent examples.

 

[Tab]

I find his abuse of Veteran's day disgusting personally.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
George W. Bush is a liar. Tell me something I don't know.

Well, for those who have a difficult time noticing the lies, I thought I'd point out some real recent examples.

Well, if that's what you want, thanks to Aegeon for posting this thread with a link to this article from Editor & Publisher about the Whitehouse's attempt to rewrite history on the fly:

White House Stands by 'Not Accurate' Quote in Dispute

By Joe Strupp

Published: November 09, 2005 11:30 PM ET

NEW YORK Presidential Press Secretary Scott McClellan's short answer to
a question at his daily press briefing last week has prompted a dispute
between the White House press office and two news organizations that
offer transcripts of the events.

A spokeswoman for McClellan's office told E&P late Wednesday that the
White House is standing by its version of what he said.

At the Oct. 31 briefing, David Gregory of NBC News stated the following
question to McClellan about White House aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis
Libby: "Whether there's a question of legality, we know for a fact that
there was involvement. We know that Karl Rove, based on what he and his
lawyer have said, did have a conversation about somebody who Patrick
Fitzgerald said was a covert officer of the Central Intelligence Agency.
We know that Scooter Libby also had conversations."

The official White House transcript states that McClellan's response was
"I don?t think that's accurate."

But two outside news agencies, Congressional Quarterly and Federal News
Service -- which provide transcripts for a fee -- both reported the
response as "that's accurate."

The differing accounts have sparked a flurry of buzz on numerous blogs,
such as ThinkProgress, Wonkette, Eschaton and DailyKos. They say a video
of the press briefing reveals McClellan saying "that's accurate."

White House officials contacted the news outlets and ask for a change to
their versions of the transcript.

"They asked me to take a look at it about a week ago," said Kirk
Hanneman, news director of Federal News Service, which provides
transcripts of different government events. "We took a look at it
because they did have a problem with it and in the end, we had what we
originally had and we are sticking by that because we believe it is
correct."

Hanneman says his company transcribes such events via audio feeds, with
several staffers involved in the process. He said employees reviewed
audio and video recordings of the briefing following the White House
request, but found nothing to change. "I think he may have meant to say
something else," he added about McClellan.

At Congressional Quarterly, which provides such transcripts to
subscribers via the Web, Editor David Rapp had a similar experience with
the White House. "They called last week and asked us to make a
correction and we investigated and decided to stand by our version," he
told E&P. "Their comment is a little bit incongruous, it doesn't jive
with what we have."

White House press office spokeswoman Dana Perino confirmed that her
office had requested a review of the transcripts, noting, "it was simply
to point out that the official transcript by the White House
stenographer had it as it was released and that is all it was," she
said, saying the White House transcript was never altered.

When asked about the fact that the White House version contradicts video
accounts of the briefing, Perino added, "the White House stenographer
was in the room and I was in the room" and they heard McClellan say "I
don't think that's accurate'."

Compare the Whitehouse version of the transcript with the actual video clip, linked at upper right of the page. :shocked:

All lies all the time, and all it cost was thousands of lies, trillions of bucks and most of the nation's credibility on the planet.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Functionally illiterate = fundamentalist Christian = base

I wouldn't go quite that far as that kind of generalization. I've known some Christian fundies who actually had enough sense to show some tolerance for others with different beliefs. Of course, those idiots like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson, etc. don't do much to improve the overall image of those who consider themselves to be "true believers."

Well they aren't really fundamentalists.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Maybe he keeps underfunding education because he's hoping to get more functionally illiterate Americans who'll buy into his BS. :|

US public schools produce too many bad products. For this their funding should be decreased, not increased.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
US public schools produce too many bad products. For this their funding should be decreased, not increased.

Great logic! That's like saying we should let the highway systemt fall further into decay because it has potholes, instead of fixing it. :roll:

Maybe the Bushwhacko's think they can fix the highways with a prayer and a little Intelligent Design.

 

[JinLien]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
US public schools produce too many bad products. For this their funding should be decreased, not increased.

Great logic! That's like saying we should let the highway systemt fall further into decay because it has potholes, instead of fixing it. :roll:

Maybe the Bushwhacko's think they can fix the highways with a prayer and a little Intelligent Design.

Keep the people uneducated so it is easier to brainwash/countrol was the way of the third world Communist countries.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
US public schools produce too many bad products. For this their funding should be decreased, not increased.

Great logic! That's like saying we should let the highway systemt fall further into decay because it has potholes, instead of fixing it. :roll:

Maybe the Bushwhacko's think they can fix the highways with a prayer and a little Intelligent Design.

If you were as smart as you obviously think you are you'd know that logic doesn't apply when it comes to MANY government activities. We spend billions of dollars on public education, and STILL in up with one of the most ignorant and gullible populations in the industrialzed world. Instead of jerking your knee and spouting about "logic", you should find out more about the public school system.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
If you were as smart as you obviously think you are you'd know that logic doesn't apply when it comes to MANY government activities. We spend billions of dollars on public education, and STILL in up with one of the most ignorant and gullible populations in the industrialzed world. Instead of jerking your knee and spouting about "logic", you should find out more about the public school system.

I know my sisters and I all got a good colllege preparatory education in the Los Angeles City School System. I took the SAT's for practice in the 11th grade, and they told me I did well enough that I didn't have to take them again to get into U.C. Berkeley.

Of course, I graduated highschool in 1959, and I'm sadly aware of the decline of the L.A. schools and public education nationwide.

That's NOT an excuse to abandon public education. It's dramatic proof that we need to spend enough to get good teachers and good facilities to do the job envisioned by such contemporary radicals as Thomas Jefferson.

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:278

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:207

"The most effectual means of preventing [the perversion of power into tyranny are] to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes." --Thomas Jefferson: Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779. FE 2:221, Papers 2:526

"The information of the people at large can alone make them the safe as they are the sole depositary of our political and religious freedom." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1810. ME 12:417

"The diffusion of information and the arraignment of all abuses at the bar of public reason, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801. ME 3:322

"Though [the people] may acquiesce, they cannot approve what they do not understand." --Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on Apportionment Bill, 1792. ME 3:211

No Freedom Without Education

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, 1816. ME 14:384

"Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree, I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson to Littleton Waller Tazewell, 1805.

"No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity." --Thomas Jefferson: Virginia Board of Visitors Minutes, 1821. ME 19:408

"Freedom [is] the first-born daughter of science." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795. ME 9:297

"Light and liberty go together." --Thomas Jefferson to Tench Coxe, 1795.

"Above all things I hope the education of the common people will be attended to, convinced that on their good sense we may rely with the most security for the preservation of a due degree of liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Madison Version FE 4:480

Education and Republican Government

"[I have] a conviction that science is important to the preservation of our republican government, and that it is also essential to its protection against foreign power." --Thomas Jefferson to -----, 1821. ME 15:340

"There are two subjects, indeed, which I shall claim a right to further as long as I breathe: the public education, and the sub-division of counties into wards. I consider the continuance of republican government as absolutely hanging on these two hooks." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph C. Cabell, 1814. ME 14:84

"The value of science to a republican people, the security it gives to liberty by enlightening the minds of its citizens, the protection it affords against foreign power, the virtue it inculcates, the just emulation of the distinction it confers on nations foremost in it; in short, its identification with power, morals, order and happiness (which merits to it premiums of encouragement rather than repressive taxes), are considerations [that should] always [be] present and [bear] with their just weight." --Thomas Jefferson: On the Book Duty, 1821.

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government;... whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253

"[In a republic, according to Montesquieu in Spirit of the Laws, IV,ch.5,] 'virtue may be defined as the love of the laws and of our country. As such love requires a constant preference of public to private interest, it is the source of all private virtue; for they are nothing more than this very preference itself... Now a government is like everything else: to preserve it we must love it... Everything, therefore, depends on establishing this love in a republic; and to inspire it ought to be the principal business of education; but the surest way of instilling it into children is for parents to set them an example.'" --Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

"In the constitution of Spain as proposed by the late Cortes, there was a principle entirely new to me:... that no person born after that day should ever acquire the rights of citizenship until he could read and write. It is impossible sufficiently to estimate the wisdom of this provision. Of all those which have been thought of for securing fidelity in the administration of the government, constant reliance to the principles of the constitution, and progressive amendments with the progressive advances of the human mind or changes in human affairs, it is the most effectual." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1816. ME 14:491

"[The] provision [in the new constitution of Spain] which, after a certain epoch, disfranchises every citizen who cannot read and write... is the fruitful germ of the improvement of everything good and the correction of everything imperfect in the present constitution. This will give you an enlightened people and an energetic public opinion which will control and enchain the aristocratic spirit of the government." --Thomas Jefferson to Chevalier de Ouis, 1814. ME 14:130

Government's Responsibility to Educate

"And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government or information to the people. This last is the most certain and the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. (Forrest version) ME 6:392

"It is an axiom in my mind that our liberty can never be safe but in the hands of the people themselves, and that, too, of the people with a certain degree of instruction. This is the business of the state to effect, and on a general plan." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1786. ME 19:24

Educate Every Citizen

"A system of general instruction, which shall reach every description of our citizens from the richest to the poorest, as it was the earliest, so will it be the latest of all the public concerns in which I shall permit myself to take an interest." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph C. Cabell, 1818. FE 10:102

"It is highly interesting to our country, and it is the duty of its functionaries, to provide that every citizen in it should receive an education proportioned to the condition and pursuits of his life." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1814. ME 19:213

"The mass of our citizens may be divided into two classes -- the laboring and the learned. The laboring will need the first grade of education to qualify them for their pursuits and duties; the learned will need it as a foundation for further acquirements." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1814. ME 19:213

"By... [selecting] the youths of genius from among the classes of the poor, we hope to avail the State of those talents which nature has sown as liberally among the poor as the rich, but which perish without use if not sought for and cultivated." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:206

"Instead of an aristocracy of wealth, of more harm and danger than benefit to society, to make an opening for the aristocracy of virtue and talent, which nature has wisely provided for the direction of the interests of society and scattered with equal hand through all its conditions, was deemed essential to a well-ordered republic." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. MW 1:54

"I do most anxiously wish to see the highest degrees of education given to the higher degrees of genius and to all degrees of it, so much as may enable them to read and understand what is going on in the world and to keep their part of it going on right; for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence." --Thomas Jefferson to Mann Page, 1795. ME 9:30

Importance for Personal Development

"If the children are untaught, their ignorance and vices will in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences than it would have done in their correction by a good education." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph C. Cabell, 1818. FE 10:99

"If the Wise be the happy man... he must be virtuous too; for, without virtue, happiness cannot be. This then is the true scope of all academical emulation." --Thomas Jefferson to Amos J. Cook, 1816. ME 14:405

"The boys of the rising generation are to be the men of the next, and the sole guardians of the principles we deliver over to them." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Knox, 1810. ME 12:360

"The reflections that the boys of this age are to be the men of the next; that they should be prepared to receive the holy charge which we are cherishing to deliver over to them; that in establishing an institution of wisdom for them, we secure it to all our future generations; that in fulfilling this duty, we bring home to our own bosoms the sweet consolation of seeing our sons rising under a luminous tuition, to destinies of high promise; these are considerations which will occur to all." --Thomas Jefferson to James Breckinridge, 1821. ME 15:314

Training Republican Statesmen

"Nor must we omit to mention among the benefits of education the incalculable advantage of training up able counselors to administer the affairs of our country in all its departments, legislative, executive and judiciary, and to bear their proper share in the councils of our national government: nothing more than education advancing the prosperity, the power, and the happiness of a nation." --Thomas Jefferson: Report for University of Virginia, 1818.

"Laws will be wisely formed and honestly administered in proportion as those who form and administer them are wise and honest; whence it becomes expedient for promoting the public happiness that those persons whom nature has endowed with genius and virtue should be rendered by liberal education worthy to receive and able to guard the sacred deposit of the rights and liberties of their fellow citizens; and that they should be called to that charge without regard to wealth, birth or other accidental condition or circumstance. But the indigence of the greater number disabling them from so educating at their own expense those of their children whom nature has fitly formed and disposed to become useful instruments for the public, it is better that such should be sought for and educated at the common expense of all, than that the happiness of all should be confined to the weak or wicked." --Thomas Jefferson: Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779. FE 2:221, Papers 2:527

"We are now trusting to those who are against us in position and principle, to fashion to their own form the minds and affections of our youth... This canker is eating on the vitals of our existence, and if not arrested at once, will be beyond remedy." --Thomas Jefferson to James Breckinridge, 1821. ME 15:315

"The reward of esteem, respect and gratitude [is] due to those who devote their time and efforts to render the youths of every successive age fit governors for the next." --Thomas Jefferson to Hugh L. White, et al., 1810. ME 12:388

Hope for the Improvement of Mankind

"I look to the diffusion of light and education as the resource most to be relied on for ameliorating the conditions, promoting the virtue and advancing the happiness of man." --Thomas Jefferson to Cornelius Camden Blatchly, 1822. ME 15:399

"If the condition of man is to be progressively ameliorated, as we fondly hope and believe, education is to be the chief instrument in effecting it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. A. Jullien, 1818. ME 15:172

"What but education has advanced us beyond the condition of our indigenous neighbors? And what chains them to their present state of barbarism and wretchedness but a bigoted veneration for the supposed superlative wisdom of their fathers and the preposterous idea that they are to look backward for better things and not forward, longing, as it should seem, to return to the days of eating acorns and roots rather than indulge in the degeneracies of civilization?" --Thomas Jefferson: Report for University of Virginia, 1818.

"I feel... an ardent desire to see knowledge so disseminated through the mass of mankind that it may, at length, reach even the extremes of society: beggars and kings." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to American Philosophical Society, 1808.

 

[HardWarrior]

I never meant to imply that I was for shutting down public schools. I would like to see some realistic goals met, like everyone who graduates being able to read. Here's another, how about the children being the primary concern, not the bloated monstrosity that the teachers' union has become. Tossing more money at this situation isn?t ?logical?, it?s throwing good money after bad.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Compare the Whitehouse version of the transcript with the actual video clip, linked at upper right of the page. :shocked:

All lies all the time, and all it cost was thousands of lies, trillions of bucks and most of the nation's credibility on the planet.

By the way, as far as I can determine the Bush Administration has still not aknowledged they were wrong on this issue and has given no indication they intend to properly correct the transcript.

 

[imported_Condor]

Lets see, huum. All liberals here, all with wet spots on pants. No place for me. Movin' on!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Condor
Lets see, huum. All liberals here, all with wet spots on pants. No place for me. Movin' on!

:laugh: :laugh:

Had to let them have their daily hate thread.

 

[DealMonkey]

Or you could, oh I dunno, explain how you think he's not lying? There's a novel concept.

 

[DealMonkey]

A choice quote:

In defending his administration against the new round of Democratic criticism, Mr. Bush said Friday, "While it is perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began."

"Some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war," he said. "These critics are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs."

link

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's no wonder Bush's approval ratings are at such dismal lows -- he can't even talk a straight line to the American public anymore. His latest "campaign offensive," launched against Democrats who have dared to question the administration's flimsy and shifting rationale for war in Iraq, was as pathetic as it was mostly untrue.

Let's examine the two main thrusts of Bush's recent claims:

1.) Congress saw the same intelligence the administration did before the war.

Only partially true. Bush does not share his most sensitive intelligence, such as the President's Daily Brief, with lawmakers. Also, the National Intelligence Estimate summarizing the intelligence community's views about the threat from Iraq was given to Congress just days before the vote to authorize the use of force in that country.

In addition, there were doubts within the intelligence community not included in the NIE. And even the doubts expressed in the NIE could not be used publicly by members of Congress because the classified information had not been cleared for release.

2.) Independent commissions have determined that the administration did not misrepresent the intelligence.

NOT true. The only committee investigating the matter in Congress, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has not yet done its inquiry into whether officials mischaracterized intelligence by omitting caveats and dissenting opinions.

No wonder the American public no longer supports this idiot, his ability to "straight talk" has been hampered by his increasing penchant for half-truths and outright lies. Go figure.

I think what is even sadder is the Republican supporter parrots especially the ones in here.

They take the GOP Talking points straight from the GOP Brainwashing machine websites and post them verbatim on here.

What is even sadder than that is that it works on the average joe blow religious sheeple.

I can't believe my eyes and ears that I have witnessed how easily it was done to the 1930's Germany of how easily it was done here only 70 years later.

Incredible and sad.

To many people in this country accept what people say and don't think. It's a BIG PROBLEM. You could tell the people that eat this brain tumor stuff up that your uncle is the pope and they'd beleive you.

Thank GoD! I mean, arghhhhh

 

[kage69]

Lets see, huum. All liberals here, all with wet spots on pants. No place for me. Movin' on!


Condor, you never fail to disappoint... It's almost as sorry looking as pabster trying to peg a hatefest on anyone who doesn't share your demented world view. Please, get help. I know it's rough having to defend a political viewpoint with an admin like this in office, but being a straight up @ss isn't helping your efforts.