Bush authorized secret flight out of US for Saudi Royals and Bin Laden family members after 9/11

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"Immediately after 9/11, dozens of Saudi royals and members of the bin Laden family fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House. One passenger was an alleged al-Qaida go-between, who may have known about the terror attacks in advance. Our first excerpt from "House of Bush, House of Saud."

"Editor's note: President Bush is campaigning for reelection as the Western world's leader in the war against terrorism. But the president's family has long been closely tied -- through a complex web of oil, money and power -- to the royal family of Saudi Arabia, which has maintained its despotic grip on the petroleum-rich kingdom through an alliance with the most militant strain of Islamic fundamentalism. Journalist Craig Unger has been covering the alliance between the Bush family and the House of Saud for years. His reporting raises crucial questions about the consequences of this personal, political and financial partnership for U.S. foreign policy, democracy and the future of the world. Salon is proud to present a series of excerpts from Unger's book "House of Bush, House of Saud," to be published on March 16 by Scribner."

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2004/03/11/unger_1/index.html

 

alchemize

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Been there, done that, been disproved.

Unless "immediately" means 3 days later. And unless "authorized" means they were not detained because they were not being charged or held for any crime. And unless "secret" means that they didn't hold a press conference announcing they were leaving.
 

preslove

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Here is a little snippet that I found interesting. One of the people that the Bush Administration smuggled out had prior knowledge of the attaks.

In Boston, airport authorities were horrified that they were being told to let the bin Ladens go. On Sept. 22, a flight went from New York to Paris, and on Sept. 24, another flight from Las Vegas to Paris. According to passenger lists for many but not all of the flights, the vast majority of passengers were Saudis, but there were also passengers from Egypt, England, Ethiopia, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Nigeria, Norway, the Philippines, Sudan and Syria. "Not many Saudis like to do menial work," said a source, explaining the other nationalities.

Passengers ranged in age from 7 years old to 62. The vast majority were adults. There were roughly two dozen bin Ladens.

The full ramifications of allowing all these members of the Saudi royal family and the bin Laden family to leave the country would only become clear several months later, when the war in Afghanistan was in full swing. On March 28, 2002, acting on electronic intercepts of telephone calls, heavily armed Pakistani commando units, accompanied by American Special Forces and FBI SWAT teams, raided a two-story house in the suburbs of Faisalabad, in western Pakistan. They had received tips that one of the people in the house was Abu Zubaydah, the 30-year-old chief of operations for al-Qaida who had been head of field operations for the USS Cole bombing and who was a close confidant of Osama bin Laden's.

On Sunday, March 31, three days after the raid, the interrogation of Zubaydah began. For the particulars of this episode there is one definitive source, Gerald Posner's "Why America Slept," and according to it, the CIA used two rather unusual methods for the interrogation. First, they administered thiopental sodium, better known under its trademarked name, Sodium Pentothal, through an IV drip, to make Zubaydah more talkative. Since the prisoner had been shot three times during the capture, he was already hooked up to a drip to treat his wounds and it was possible to administer the drug without his knowledge. Second, as a variation on the good cop-bad cop routine, the CIA used two teams of debriefers. One consisted of undisguised Americans who were at least willing to treat Zubaydah's injuries while they interrogated him. The other team consisted of Arab-Americans posing as Saudi security agents, who were known for their brutal interrogation techniques. The thinking was that Zubaydah would be so scared of being turned over to the Saudis, infamous for their public executions in Riyadh's Chop-Chop Square, that he would try to win over the American interrogators by talking to them.

In fact, exactly the opposite happened. "When Zubaydah was confronted with men passing themselves off as Saudi security officers, his reaction was not fear, but instead relief," Posner writes. "The prisoner, who had been reluctant even to confirm his identity to his American captors, suddenly started talking animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would torture and then kill him. Zubaydah asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the ruling Saudi family. He then provided a private home number and cell phone number from memory. 'He will tell you what to do,' Zubaydah promised them."

The name Zubaydah gave came as a complete surprise to the CIA. It was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, the owner of so many legendary racehorses and one of the most westernized members of the royal family.

Zubaydah spoke to his faux Saudi interrogators as if they, not he, were the ones in trouble. He said that several years earlier the royal family had made a deal with al-Qaida in which the House of Saud would aid the Taliban so long as al-Qaida kept terrorism out of Saudi Arabia. Zubaydah added that as part of this arrangement, he dealt with Prince Ahmed and two other members of the House of Saud as intermediaries, Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, a nephew of King Fahd's, and Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, a 25-year-old distant relative of the king's. Again, he furnished phone numbers from memory.

According to Posner, the interrogators responded by telling Zubaydah that 9/11 changed everything. The House of Saud certainly would not stand behind him after that. It was then that Zubaydah dropped his real bombshell. "Zubaydah said that 9/11 changed nothing because Ahmed ... knew beforehand that an attack was scheduled for American soil that day," Posner writes. "They just didn't know what it would be, nor did they want to know more than that. The information had been passed to them, said Zubaydah, because bin Laden knew they could not stop it without knowing the specifics, but later they would be hard-pressed to turn on him if he could disclose their foreknowledge."

Two weeks later, Zubaydah was moved to an undisclosed location. When he figured out that the interrogators were really Americans, not Saudis, Posner writes, he tried to strangle himself, and later recanted his entire tale.

As for Prince Ahmed, on July 22, 2002, he died mysteriously of a heart attack at the age of 43, so he was never interviewed about his connections to al-Qaida and his alleged foreknowledge of the events of 9/11. Not that the FBI didn't have its chance at him. On Sept. 16, 2001, after the Bush administration had approved the Saudi evacuation, Prince Ahmed had boarded that 727 in Lexington, Ky. He had been identified by FBI officials, but not seriously interrogated. It was an inauspicious start to the just-declared war on terror. "What happened on Sept. 11 was a horrific crime," says John Martin, a former official in the Criminal Division of the Justice Department. "It was an act of war. And the answer is no, this is not any way to go about investigating it."

Coming Friday -- "The Number": How much money has flowed from the House of Saud to individuals and entities closely tied to the House of Bush? At least $1,477,100,000.
 

alchemize

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Here is a little snippet that I found interesting. One of the people that the Bush Administration smuggled out had prior knowledge of the attaks.

First off, they weren't smuggled out. Read the above link. typical ~! slander.

Secondly, this wasn't known until, (allegedly), Zubaydah told us (interesting that this author has such excellent CIA sources)

you ~!'s are a joke. In one sentence you condemn Guantanamo bay. In the next you suggest some conspiracy or allege mishandling. Perhaps we should have just set up concentration camps for all muslims until they could be all interrogated?
 

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Suppose Bush DID try to get these folks out quietly. Seeing how people are here, I would want to get people out. Last I checked, being related to someone does not make them complicit in a crime.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Been there, done that, been disproved.

Unless "immediately" means 3 days later. And unless "authorized" means they were not detained because they were not being charged or held for any crime. And unless "secret" means that they didn't hold a press conference announcing they were leaving.


Actually, the your link contains this admission:
That set me off on a tirade, and it shouldn't have. Part of Mr. Moore's statement has since been proved to be correct ? during the ban on air travel, some Saudis (including members of the bin Laden family) were transported by air to assembly points in the U.S. in preparation for their leaving the country. In an earlier version of this article, I ranted and raved about his avowing bin Laden flights had taken place while no one was allowed to fly. Yet some did, at least within the U.S.

So the Saudis DID get authroizationto fly DURING the flight ban.
 

alchemize

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So the Saudis DID get authroizationto fly DURING the flight ban.
Yup, they did get authorization to fly WITHIN the US, from the FAA. You, and the OP/book, said "out".

fled the U.S. in a secret airlift authorized by the Bush White House
Hey look! almost every other word is false!

Now, if we want to investigate why the FAA allowed these saudi citizens to fly during the general travel ban, and if that authorization extended beyond the FAA/FBI officials, I'm all for it. But get your facts straight first. Something that is tough for the ~!'s, I know.
 

preslove

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Fled - uhm... what were they doing if not "fleeing?"
secret - the bush administration won't even acknowledge that this even happened
authorized - 12 private planes were encouraged back to the ground by fighter jets during the ban, so somebody had to authorize the flight.
Bush White House - if you read the article then you would know that the flights started AFTER Prince Bandar met with Bush on the 13th. Why would the FAA authorize flights by some rich Saudis? Why the FBI? Neither organization has high level contacts with the Saudis. You can't say that about Bush, who has known Bandar FOR YEARS.
 

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And unless "authorized" means they were not detained because they were not being charged or held for any crime.

Heh :D right. You right-wingers don't have any trouble holding people down in Cuba without charge!

Bush has blood on his hands. In his quest for the almighty OIL he'd stop at NOTHING.
 

AEB

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i wasnt going to post, but im tired of people bringing up this oil crap. Gas prices are going up because we haev LESS oil. If Iraq and everything else was for oil we would have a surplus not a shortage. Get real
 

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Gas prices are going up because we haev LESS oil. If Iraq and everything else was for oil we would have a surplus not a shortage. Get real

Get real? Nice attempt at logic. You should have continued to lurk. Gas prices aren't going up because of a lack of supply (other than perhaps typical seasonal supply/demand issues). Using your logic, if we hadn't taken over Iraq's oil fields we'd have even LESS oil and prices would be higher. ????
Hawo?
Also, prices in the U.S. for gas are extremely cheap! It's $6 a gallon in Europe. So you see, by taking control of Iraq's oil fields, we continue to keep prices artificially low.
You get real.
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Gas prices are going up because we haev LESS oil. If Iraq and everything else was for oil we would have a surplus not a shortage. Get real

Get real? Nice attempt at logic. You should have continued to lurk. Gas prices aren't going up because of a lack of supply (other than perhaps typical seasonal supply/demand issues). Using your logic, if we hadn't taken over Iraq's oil fields we'd have even LESS oil and prices would be higher. ????
Hawo?
Also, prices in the U.S. for gas are extremely cheap! It's $6 a gallon in Europe. So you see, by taking control of Iraq's oil fields, we continue to keep prices artificially low.
You get real.



Short-Term Energy Outlook ? March 2004

Gasoline inventories remained tight and crude oil prices rose again in February. The prospects for oil prices diminishing significantly prior to the driving season have weakened, and there is a high likelihood of additional gasoline price increases this spring. Even if unexpected significant refinery or pipeline disruptions are avoided, national monthly average regular gasoline pump prices are projected to reach a peak of about $1.83 per gallon this spring. Summer (April to September) gasoline prices are now expected to average about $1.74 per gallon this year. This would be a record in nominal dollar terms and the highest inflation-adjusted summer average since 1985. For 2004 as a whole, national regular gasoline pump prices are now expected to average $1.67 per gallon, 10 cents higher than our previous projection. About half of the increase reflects higher crude oil prices, with the remainder reflecting the impact of low inventories, robust demand, and uncertain availability of gasoline imports.

Two factors that could reduce the risk of sharply higher pump prices would be a more rapid decline rate for crude oil prices than currently expected and solid improvement in the availability of gasoline import volumes from those seen so far this year.
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arsbanned you obviously misunderstood, i said we DIDNT take iraq's oil DID NOT. so the war was not for oil, that was my point