Bush approval ratings dropping. Down to 35%. 61% Disapproval. EDIT - 12/10 - 30%

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
like anybody cares about the war in iraq... most people who still support bush do so because the democrats will raise their taxes given the chance.

Now why would they raise taxes..to pay off our dept?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Zorba

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: conjur
Well, maybe the massive disapproval ratings explains why the White House has engaged in revisionist history to crop out the infamous "Mission Accomplished" banner from that flight deck speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2ITs4yIAE

Certainly seems like the kind of revisionist history they've employed in the past, but this one looks like two different camera angles to me. You'd have to compare it with an original copy of the video to see if they've changed the framing or not.

I agree it looks like two different angles.

I was listening to talk radio today and some chick from a conservative think tank tried to claim Bush never said mission accomplished and that banner was put up by the crew of the ship, saying that their mission was accomplished, not the US's. I couldn't believe she was trying to revise the history of something we've all seen 100 times.

Ummm that is exactly what happened though. Maybe you need to watch it with your eyes open.
The crew of the ship was celebrating its mission being accomplished. If you had ever lived in an area with a large military base you would have noticed that this is pretty standard operation when groups return home for long deployments. Even during peace times you hear this kind of mission accomplished attitude. It is a moral boaster for people who have just spent 6+ months away from wives and kids.

Read the text of the speech and find me the phrase ?mission accomplished?
Some of you need to stop to Kool-Aid drinking for a bit and investigate these things for yourself. Took me one Google search to find the speech.

What Bush actually said (edited) Link to full speech (text)

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed?.

Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment ? yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage ? your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other ? made this day possible?.

The word ?mission? is only used twice in the speech:
?Yet all can know, friend and foe alike, that our nation has a mission: We will answer threats to our security, and we will defend the peace.?
?Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.?

More misdirection. After the usual spinning and denials, it was ultimately acknowledged that the White House was responsible for the "Mission Accomplished" banner.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bobdelt
like anybody cares about the war in iraq... most people who still support bush do so because the democrats will raise their taxes given the chance.

Uh...the taxes will go up regardless. The Bush tax cuts were only TEMPORARY. They will EXPIRE.

 

[Lemon law]

In some ways that republican spin line---the dems are stuck in a pre-911 thinking---is somewhat correct.

After 911---and that giant sucker punch on the Republican watch---the country was forced to rally around the President.
And that momentum carried the GOP to mid-terms wins in 11/2002. And because Iraq was not certainly lost by 11/2004--and Kerry never connected with the American people---911 rhetoric helped tide the GOP over in 11/2004.

Here it is 11/2006----and the Republicans are still mired in ONLY 911 thinking---the exact kind of thinking that has helped mire us in Iraq. The world has moved on---and the Republicans have not---and the Republicans have aided the terrorists--and not deterred them.---making another 911 inevietable.

Think about that when you go to the polls.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bobdelt
like anybody cares about the war in iraq... most people who still support bush do so because the democrats will raise their taxes given the chance.

Uh...the taxes will go up regardless. The Bush tax cuts were only TEMPORARY. They will EXPIRE.

They are tax loans in any case, loans that will have to be repaid with interest. They are therefore merely deferred tax increases, courtesy of GWB and Republicans. The only thing the Democrats may do is start collecting the loans sooner.

On a side note, I've concluded that any time a politician is promising tax cuts, he's playing us. When you hear it, grab your wallet. He's planning to pick it. "Tax Cut" has become the modern equivalent of "A chicken in every pot", an empty homily that should be ignored, or maybe even feared.

When a politician (of either party) says tax cut, he really means one of two things: cutting spending or going deeper in debt. Cutting spending is the right answer, of course, because taxes can fall naturally once spending is reduced. Cutting spending is virtually never what a pol actually intends, however, because that requires courage, something our pols uniformly lack. Here in the real world, that leaves door #2, short-term tax loans that increase spending and result in inevitable tax increases.

 

[TravisT]

I am one of the many Christians who voted for Bush, I still stand beside my vote because I think Kerry was an awful radically left liberal. We need a moderate, and I can assure you that I will and would vote democrat not for their stances on moral issues, but because I think we need a change economically. I think many Republicans are in the same shoes as myself in the sense that we probably need a new outlook on Iraq and some change. The real question is, will Democrats give us a worthy candidate to vote for? They haven't with either Al Gore or John Kerry. I only ask that the dem's but a moderate out there.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/06/bush.poll


So many terrorist-appeasing Americans out there. Whatever shall we do?

Amazing how in just a few short years America turned from God-fearing Christians approving 80+% of the president into a bunch of sniveling, "cut and run" liberals.


:sarcasm;


Wanna hear the desperation from the right?

Listen to these NPR stories and just hear the insanity in Gingrich's and Perle's voices:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6416780
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6430389

Bush is too far "left" for my tastes on foreign policy. I believe our failures stem from not being brutal enough against our opponents. As for Domestic, I think he?s far too Authoritarian. So he gets a disapproval vote from me.

This isn?t about the war, it?s about him ******* the pooch.

 

[conjur]

Wow, such ignorance and downright cruelty from the Bush supporters in this thread. Some have NO CLUE what a truly "radically left liberal" is and others wanting an even MORE aggressive foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!!


Maybe they're just pissed cuz he's now down to 3 1 % and they don't have many friends anymore

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Here is some typical 'Gung-ho' type remarks made when ships return from deployment. "Mission Accomplished" is nothing special.

"Nine months ago, you set sail on a routine deployment," he said. "It was anything but routine. You worked in the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf.
In each place, you served our nation with great distinction. You've made history. You've freed a nation and made the world a safer place to live." link

?The professionalism and dedication you displayed in the defense of our nation and the principles of freedom were unparalleled. Your leadership and professionalism ensured the success of complex and difficult combat operations,? link

"I'm very proud of everything this crew has accomplished," said Rear Adm. John Kelly, Lincoln Carrier Strike Group (CSG) commander. "I know the extension has been tough and everyone's missing their loved ones, but it was important for us to hold the line and support our ground troops." link

"We've been beamed into everyone's living rooms for the last three months. We are the champions," Wren said. "We made our mark in history. We made a mark against terrorism, defeated the Taliban, crushed al-Qaeda, and we are going home heroes." link

Uh, you do realize that the Taliban is regaining control in Afghanistan?

Al Qaeda (well, the media version of Al Qaeda, not the real one), is gaining more and more strength because of the fvck ups in D.C.?

 

[OS]

you're doing a hecka of a job bushie

 

[LeadMagnet]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, such ignorance and downright cruelty from the Bush supporters in this thread. Some have NO CLUE what a truly "radically left liberal" is and others wanting an even MORE aggressive foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!!


Maybe they're just pissed cuz he's now down to 3 1 % and they don't have many friends anymore

WOW - 69% woke up and smelled the coffee?

 

[shira]

If you're wondering who those 31% are, just listen to CSPAN. This morning, some fool called in and stated that we have to stay and fight in Iraq to prevent all the terrorists there from attacking the U.S. homeland. I think it must have been Dubya, disguising his voice.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: shira
If you're wondering who those 31% are, just listen to CSPAN. This morning, some fool called in and stated that we have to stay and fight in Iraq to prevent all the terrorists there from attacking the U.S. homeland. I think it must have been Dubya, disguising his voice.

Nah, it must've been PJ

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: shira
If you're wondering who those 31% are, just listen to CSPAN. This morning, some fool called in and stated that we have to stay and fight in Iraq to prevent all the terrorists there from attacking the U.S. homeland. I think it must have been Dubya, disguising his voice.

Nah, it must've been PJ

So THAT's where he went Or perhaps it was Pabsty ...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, such ignorance and downright cruelty from the Bush supporters in this thread. Some have NO CLUE what a truly "radically left liberal" is and others wanting an even MORE aggressive foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!!


Maybe they're just pissed cuz he's now down to 3 1 % and they don't have many friends anymore

WOW - 69% woke up and smelled the coffee?

That's a lot of votes I'm going to get, thanks Georgie :thumbsup:

 

[Eos]

I'm honestly confused how people can think that taxes will not go up every so often.

How can a person think things that cost money (defense, fire stations, police, etc.) will always cost the same? srsly...

It's up to you to elect people who raise taxes only as needed, not constantly supporting pork barrel bee ess.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira
If you're wondering who those 31% are, just listen to CSPAN. This morning, some fool called in and stated that we have to stay and fight in Iraq to prevent all the terrorists there from attacking the U.S. homeland. I think it must have been Dubya, disguising his voice.

We are a born dependent species that has enormous potential because we are generalized and not instinctively patterned into a small routine. That means we learn from our parents and social surroundings. It would have been genetically unwise for us to resist, instinctively, all advise from the outside, because we transmit our experiences verbally and via example. We are a species that wants to look to our most experienced folk to guide us in life until the time comes when it's our turn to share. The problem is that because our language also allows us to self hate, we have also learned cunning and how to acquire the respect of leadership via pretense and lies. Some of us prey on some others of us because they feel too worthless to do otherwise.

 

[glugglug]

People like to vote for the winner. That is part of what kept Bush/repubs doing as well as they did (electorally) the past 6 years.
Now that the latest election has shown he is no longer the winner in the herd mind, many more will admit he sucks, and approval ratings will drop more precipitously.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, such ignorance and downright cruelty from the Bush supporters in this thread. Some have NO CLUE what a truly "radically left liberal" is and others wanting an even MORE aggressive foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!!


Maybe they're just pissed cuz he's now down to 3 1 % and they don't have many friends anymore

WOW - 69% woke up and smelled the coffee?

That's a lot of votes I'm going to get, thanks Georgie :thumbsup:

Shouldn't you at least update your site if you still consider yourself a contender? Last update 5/24/2005 ....

 

[teclado]

Originally posted by: conjur

Amazing how in just a few short years America turned from God-fearing Christians approving 80+% of the president into a bunch of sniveling, "cut and run" liberals.

So true...

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow, such ignorance and downright cruelty from the Bush supporters in this thread. Some have NO CLUE what a truly "radically left liberal" is and others wanting an even MORE aggressive foreign policy? Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick!!


Maybe they're just pissed cuz he's now down to 3 1 % and they don't have many friends anymore

like father like son.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: eos
I'm honestly confused how people can think that taxes will not go up every so often.

How can a person think things that cost money (defense, fire stations, police, etc.) will always cost the same? srsly...

It's up to you to elect people who raise taxes only as needed, not constantly supporting pork barrel bee ess.

What I do not understand how anyone can expect a country can fight a multifront war and not pay for it by raising taxes.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: eos
I'm honestly confused how people can think that taxes will not go up every so often.

How can a person think things that cost money (defense, fire stations, police, etc.) will always cost the same? srsly...

It's up to you to elect people who raise taxes only as needed, not constantly supporting pork barrel bee ess.

What I do not understand how anyone can expect a country can fight a multifront war and not pay for it by raising taxes.

if ronnie reagan was alive, he could tell you. he and nancy used astrology and voodoo economics better than anyone else ever could.

 

[jpeyton]

George and Dick are both at 31%. Wow.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
What I do not understand how anyone can expect a country can fight a multifront war and not pay for it by raising taxes.

Then, please explain to me why taxes haven't gone up yet. We've been spending 750,000,000 per day in Iraq, according to Republican Senators (roughly a year ago), but yet taxes haven't gone up. As a matter of fact, taxes on all large corporations, along with the wealthiest ~2% of the population have dropped drastically. How exactly is that possible?