Bush agenda faces some GOP resistance

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http://www.boston.com/news/nat...s_some_gop_resistance/
WASHINGTON -- Republicans in Congress are growing increasingly vocal in their opposition to major items on President Bush's agenda, calling into question the likelihood of Bush's ambitious second-term program passing, even as he prepares to take the oath of office with an expanded majority of his own party.

At least four elements of Bush's plans are drawing reactions from Republicans ranging from outright opposition to quiet discomfort. The cracks in party unity are appearing at a time when the White House needs to move quickly to implement new policies before the momentum coming out of the November elections fades.

Some fiscal conservatives are balking at the price tag and political wisdom of Bush's plan to create personal retirement accounts for part of Social Security, with the federal budget deficit already at a record level and Democrats ready to demonize Republicans as hurting retirees.

A coalition that includes some of the House's most powerful Republican members is seeking to tighten the nation's borders and crack down on illegal immigration, even as Bush seeks to grant some illegal immigrants special permits to allow them to work legally in the United States.

A group of conservative House members is threatening to try to roll back portions of the Medicare prescription drug benefit before it takes effect in 2006, setting up an intra-party fight over one of Bush's signature accomplishments.

Bush's proposal to extend the testing provisions of the No Child Left Behind Act to cover high schools, which the White House unveiled last Wednesday, is getting a cool reception from some GOP members of Congress, who don't want further federal involvement in local schools or the vast increases in education spending the president is calling for.

Representative Tom Tancredo, a Colorado Republican, said many Republicans in Congress were hesitant to criticize the president during his reelection campaign, for fear of hurting the party's chances in the election. But members of what he called the "bite-your-lip caucus" now have no reason to hold back their reservations, he said, and they don't owe the administration blind loyalty.

"As of Nov. 2, that caucus is dissolved," said Tancredo, who is leading Republican efforts to crack down on illegal immigration. "Second-term presidents don't have a terribly impressive success rate. . . . I don't know where he's going to get the votes to do some of these things."


Bush in recent days has held a series of public events to garner support for his proposal to have younger workers invest a portion of their payroll taxes in private markets instead of the Social Security system and for his plan to invest an additional $1.5 billion in public schools as part of a yearly testing program for high school students.

Despite their losses in November, Democratic leaders have dug in against some of the largest items on the Bush agenda, particularly a Social Security overhaul.

Bush himself realizes how limited the opportunity to implement the agenda is.

"We got to get moving and get some things done before . . . people kind of write me off," Bush told CBS News in an interview that aired last night.

But warning shots fired by conservative Republicans in recent days suggest that the administration may have more trouble within its own party than it will from the diminished ranks of Democrats, who suffered a net loss of four seats in the Senate and two in the House. Conservatives have grown frustrated with a Republican administration that has overseen federal spending that jumped by a quarter during the first Bush administration, said Brian M. Riedl, a budget specialist at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington.

Some GOP lawmakers are disappointed that Bush shepherded huge expansions in Medicare, education, and farm spending, and are becoming increasingly vocal in their opposition, Riedl said.

"Now we're faced with runaway spending and deficits as far as the eye can see," he said. "It has to be brought under control, or one begins to wonder what the difference is between Democrats and Republicans."

Bush himself has brushed aside the criticism from Democrats and Republicans alike, pronouncing himself unconcerned about naysayers as he seeks to spend the "political capital" he said he gained through his victory in November. In an interview published last week in the Washington Times, Bush said he did things that others said couldn't be done during his first term, and would continue to do so in his second.


"You're probably sitting there saying, 'Has the guy bit off more than he can chew?' " Bush told the newspaper. "The answer is, we will work as hard as we can to get as much as we can get done, as quickly as possible."

"In '01, it was like: 'You'll never get the taxes done. No chance.' And initially out of the box, some people said, over my dead body would they pass tax relief," he continued. "If I listened to all that, I'd just quit, you know. . . . But that's not the way I think."

John Feehery, a spokesman for House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, said that some Bush priorities will be hard to get through Congress but that the president has built up significant loyalty from Republican lawmakers. He said conservatives will be particularly pleased with Bush's next budget proposal, which is expected to hold spending at current levels or lower in virtually all areas except national defense and homeland security.

Bush last week unveiled the second stage of his No Child Left Behind legislation, this one designed to bring to high schools the testing and standards now in place at the elementary level. It's a central piece of the president's education agenda, but conservatives are questioning the government's ability to afford it, as well as the additional federal intervention in local schools.

"It's hard to square this one with conservative principles. It's an expansion of the federal government's role in education," said Representative Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican.


On immigration changes, Bush has promised to fight for his "guest worker" program, which he is billing as a common-sense way to deal with the reality of 8 million undocumented workers in the United States. While appealing to Hispanics, who have supported Bush in numbers unusual for a Republican, the issue splits GOP members of Congress, some of whom defer to businesses' dependence on low-wage workers, while others insist on a more secure border and heightened enforcement of immigration laws.

Several influential Republicans, including Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Judiciary Committee chairman, and Representative David Dreier, Rules Committee chairman, are sponsoring bills that call for crackdowns on illegal immigration.

Tancredo, who heads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, said creating work permits for those who are in the United States illegally is the wrong direction to go and could encourage people to enter the country illegally. He said any bill that would create "amnesty" for undocumented immigrants would be harshly opposed by a majority of Republicans.

Bush has indicated that he will move quickly to transform Social Security, saying that the system is in "crisis" because of the coming retirements of baby boomers and the long-term fiscal instability of the program's funding mechanism. Most criticism to date has come from Democrats, but some Republicans, including Representative Robert R. Simmons of Connecticut, have questioned Bush's sudden focus on the issue, since the retirement system will be solvent for at least another 40 years.

Diverting payroll taxes from Social Security to private accounts is expected to cost between $1 trillion and $2 trillion in the coming decade, adding to a deficit currently pegged at $400 billion this year. Some members of the conservative Republican Study Committee have pronounced themselves skeptical of those costs, and Republicans are questioning the political wisdom of tinkering with the retirement program that so many elderly voters hold dear.

Still, Flake said he expects most Republicans to end up supporting the president on Social Security, because conservatives believe in reducing government's role.

"He's really pushing it hard, and harder than some people expected," Flake said. "We're giving people freedom, so we're moving in the right direction."
I really think Bush is suffering from a mental malady. At the least, he has delusions of grandeur. Perhaps it's from the blinding light of God that has spoke to him and given him is ideological vision. Perhaps it's the lack of brain cells from years of alcoholism and snorting cocaine.

In any case, Bush is certainly going down a path on his own, regardless of any criticism or debate about his policies. He has become the epitome of arrogance and hubris.
 

Starbuck1975

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This is a good thing...while political parties perhaps provide a consolidated power base to support a certain ideology or platform, our Congressmen and Senators have a specific responsibility to represent their particular constituencies...the bureaucracy of Washington is such that representatives of both parties no longer represent those who voted them in office, but rather walk the party line and serve special interests.

Dissention in the ranks is a good thing. It is time for moderate conservatives and liberals to start voicing their dissent over the state of affairs in each of their respective parties. If I were a moderate Democrat, I would be outraged that my party managed to lose against an incumbent President who is one of the most disliked and unpopular American leaders in recent history...if I were a moderate Republican, I would be outraged that my party was pandering to the religious right, and that it continues to support an agenda that is in direct contradiction to the values of conservatism.

If anything, GOP resistance will prevent Bush from furthering along some of his more polarizing policy agendas...gay marriage has already fallen off the radar screen...we can expect limitations on abortion and other such far right agenda issues to lose steam once moderate Republicans voice their dissent.
 

conjur

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Gay marriage was a red herring to get out the conservative vote to re-elect Bush. Rove knew the Iraq war was hurting Bush badly and moved to get gay marriage amendments on the ballots in several states (including Ohio, which ended up being this election's Florida). Now that Bush is safely back in office, he'll be back to his business as usual, feeding his business partners and special interests and giving the PNAC neocons carte blanche over foreign policy decisions.
 

Starbuck1975

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Gay marriage was a red herring to get out the conservative vote to re-elect Bush.
Red herrings, when they have enough momentum, sometimes have a tendency to take on a life of their own.
 

conjur

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It seems in this case, though, that this particular herring has been gutted and fileted.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
It seems in this case, though, that this particular herring has been gutted and fileted.

I don't like fish, could you make it calf?
 

conjur

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I'm sure some Bush apologists will be in here shortly to offer you up some crow.
 

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This is news?

I posted almost the exact same article right after the election. Maybe its just because I'm obviously pro- republican and conjur is obviously pro democrat, but I didnt get all the positive responses he is getting.

Like all the Democrats like Kerry's ideas or something? pffft. half of them hated Kerry, but of course they will all smile and cheer for him during the election, you shouldnt expect the republicans to be any different.
 

Starbuck1975

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It seems in this case, though, that this particular herring has been gutted and fileted.
Which I do not think was the intent of this Administration, as Bush seemed fairly motivated towards providing an Amendment to prevent gay marriage...assuming this is the case, it does make a fairly powerful statement that moderates within his own party kept Bush in check and prevented this initiative from gaining any further traction.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
It seems in this case, though, that this particular herring has been gutted and fileted.
Which I do not think was the intent of this Administration, as Bush seemed fairly motivated towards providing an Amendment to prevent gay marriage...assuming this is the case, it does make a fairly powerful statement that moderates within his own party kept Bush in check and prevented this initiative from gaining any further traction.
Bush said in his 2000 campaign that same-sex marriage was a states' issue. This whole thing was a tactic by Karl Rove to energize the right-wing bigots into voting as he knew the Iraq war was dragging Bush's chances down.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Train
This is news?

I posted almost the exact same article right after the election. Maybe its just because I'm obviously pro- republican and conjur is obviously pro democrat, but I didnt get all the positive responses he is getting.

Like all the Democrats like Kerry's ideas or something? pffft. half of them hated Kerry, but of course they will all smile and cheer for him during the election, you shouldnt expect the republicans to be any different.
I am *not* pro-Democrat.

I'm anti-BS and it just so happens that, right now, the Republicans are spewing forth far more BS than are the Democrats.

In a few years, it may be the exact opposite and then I'll be accused of being a right-wing puppet.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
This is news?

I posted almost the exact same article right after the election. Maybe its just because I'm obviously pro- republican and conjur is obviously pro democrat, but I didnt get all the positive responses he is getting.

Like all the Democrats like Kerry's ideas or something? pffft. half of them hated Kerry, but of course they will all smile and cheer for him during the election, you shouldnt expect the republicans to be any different.
I am *not* pro-Democrat.

I'm anti-BS and it just so happens that, right now, the Republicans are spewing forth far more BS than are the Democrats.

In a few years, it may be the exact opposite and then I'll be accused of being a right-wing puppet.

Hell, I'll start now. DRINK YOUR KOOL-AID, CONJUR!!! :p
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
This is news?

I posted almost the exact same article right after the election. Maybe its just because I'm obviously pro- republican and conjur is obviously pro democrat, but I didnt get all the positive responses he is getting.

Like all the Democrats like Kerry's ideas or something? pffft. half of them hated Kerry, but of course they will all smile and cheer for him during the election, you shouldnt expect the republicans to be any different.
I am *not* pro-Democrat.

I'm anti-BS and it just so happens that, right now, the Republicans are spewing forth far more BS than are the Democrats.

In a few years, it may be the exact opposite and then I'll be accused of being a right-wing puppet.
ya I know conjur weve all heard your tag line a hundred times.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
This is news?

I posted almost the exact same article right after the election. Maybe its just because I'm obviously pro- republican and conjur is obviously pro democrat, but I didnt get all the positive responses he is getting.

Like all the Democrats like Kerry's ideas or something? pffft. half of them hated Kerry, but of course they will all smile and cheer for him during the election, you shouldnt expect the republicans to be any different.
I am *not* pro-Democrat.

I'm anti-BS and it just so happens that, right now, the Republicans are spewing forth far more BS than are the Democrats.

In a few years, it may be the exact opposite and then I'll be accused of being a right-wing puppet.
ya I know conjur weve all heard your tag line a hundred times.
Then I'll repeate for the 101st time. Maybe it will finally start sinking in.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
...Then I'll repeate for the 101st time. Maybe it will finally start sinking in.
its just that your arguments dont always fit what you claim, you will probably have to keep trying to explain yourself well into the future.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
...Then I'll repeate for the 101st time. Maybe it will finally start sinking in.
its just that your arguments dont always fit what you claim, you will probably have to keep trying to explain yourself well into the future.
BBond said it best in that anti-Bush thread:

If the facts bash Bush then that's Bush's problem.
 

SuperTool

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Don't worry, Tom Delay will take them outside and straighten them out. They should learn there is no room for independent thinking in the GOP.
 

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what sons of bitches!!!!

INSTEAD of doing what would be best for the country, they do what would be best for their party! WHERE DO PEOPLES LOYALTIES LIE?!?!?!
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
...Then I'll repeate for the 101st time. Maybe it will finally start sinking in.
its just that your arguments dont always fit what you claim, you will probably have to keep trying to explain yourself well into the future.
BBond said it best in that anti-Bush thread:

If the facts bash Bush then that's Bush's problem.
I wasnt referring to Bush, but issues in general...

Who cares about bashing Bush anyways? dont waste your time, hes an obsolete model in 4 years. I'm more concerned with long term direction of the nation. Ive argued with you over progressive taxation, welfare, social security, (not sure on this one, but I think abortion too?)

These issues have nothing to do with wether or no Bush is a good president, But you have the democratic stance on all of them and still think your a republican? Do you stick to your ideals or just pick the opposite of the guy you hate?

 

conjur

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I'll briefly repeat my stance on those key topics:

Welfare
3-year max benefits

Benefits phase out as the recipient either increases their income or as time passes. This will allow someone to achieve, say, a 2-year degree and get a start in a career without having to worry about childcare or rent or food, etc. After the 3 years are up, if the person is still not employed, then it's time for private charity to kick in, not the government (unless the person is disabled and unable to work.)


Taxation
I have no problem with the progressive tax structure. It has basically worked but there are so many loopholes that corporations are able to hide much of their income as well as wealthy individuals. I'd like to see taxes permanently lower but our deficit currently precludes that. Cutting spending is a start but we need to temporarily get taxes back up, lower the deficit, then cut both taxes *and* spending.


Abortion
I find abortion one of the most selfish and heinous acts in which any individual can partake. However, I do not feel it should be illegal for the case of rape, incest, severe birth defect, mother's life in danger, etc. Some situation that is life-threatening to the mother or child or an emotionally traumatic event that occurred to the woman. I also think any abortion after the first trimester should only been if the mother's life is in danger or if the baby will be stillborn or born with a severe defect such that its life will be endangered. If a woman goes three months and still hasn't decided, an abortion of convenience is no longer an option. Give it up for adoption if she doesn't want a baby.


Social Security
I was once for privatizing it but now I feel a bit differently. After reading that article from O'Neill, a forced, private savings plan would be ok but what do we do for spouses or children of parents who die early where the private savings plan has not reached a maturity level? To me, the answer is removing the cap on the income limit for taxation and to also set aside a separate, physical fund to hold all of the Social Security monies, separate from the general fund. Corporations are supposed to keep pensions separate, why not have the gov't keep what is essentially retirement money separate?