Bush Advisor Claims Climate Change Conspiracy

conjur

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http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/index.php?news=2275
An advisor to President George W Bush has reportedly claimed that global warming is a fallacy created to disrupt the American economy, in an interview on Radio 4. Myron Ebell, from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), claimed that the notion of climate change through man-made emissions was ?ridiculous and unrealistic?.

The views of the UK?s chief scientist Sir David King ? who stated that global warming posed a bigger threat to the planet than terrorism ? were dismissed by Ebell as ?a ridiculous claim?, and Sir David an ?alarmist?. The European Commission was also accused by Ebell of targeting the American economy through efforts to develop an international climate change strategy.

Environmentalists responded by calling the CEI spokesperson?s claims ?idiocy?.


A statement from the Greenpeace organisation read; ?The world's best climate scientists agree the threat is real and growing. It is terrifying that this man is advising the White House on the gravest threat this planet faces. This kind of idiocy would be a mere distraction if it were not for the fact that Bush believes this nonsense. If Tony Blair really regards global warming as a huge threat, like he says he does, he needs to give the President a dose of straight talking the next time they meet.?

Greenpeace has also highlighted the fact that the CEI has received backing of around $1.5m from Esso since 1998.


Guess that moron should do some reading:

Global warming 'threat to Arctic'
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/s...arming.reut/index.html
OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Global warming is heating the Arctic almost twice as fast as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens millions of livelihoods and could wipe out polar bears by 2100, an eight-nation report said on Monday.

The biggest survey to date of the Arctic climate, by 250 scientists, said the accelerating melt could be a foretaste of wider disruptions from a build-up of human emissions of heat-trapping gases in the earth's atmosphere.

The "Arctic climate is now warming rapidly and much larger changes are projected," according to the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA), funded by the United States, Canada, Russia, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

Arctic temperatures are rising at almost twice the global average and could leap 4-7 Celsius (7-13 Fahrenheit) by 2100, roughly twice the global average projected by U.N. reports. Siberia and Alaska have already warmed by 2-3 C since the 1950s.

Possible benefits like more productive fisheries, easier access to oil and gas deposits or trans-Arctic shipping routes would be outweighed by threats to indigenous peoples and the habitats of animals and plants.

Sea ice around the North Pole, for instance, could almost disappear in summer by the end of the century. The extent of the ice has already shrunk by 15-20 percent in the past 30 years.

"Polar bears are unlikely to survive as a species if there is an almost complete loss of summer sea-ice cover," the report said. On land, creatures like lemmings, caribou, reindeer and snowy owls are being squeezed north into a narrower range.

Fossil fuels blamed
The report mainly blames the melt on gases from fossil fuels burnt in cars, factories and power plants. The Arctic warms faster than the global average because dark ground and water, once exposed, traps more heat than reflective snow and ice.

Klaus Toepfer, head of the U.N. Environment Programme, said the Arctic changes were an early warning. "What happens there is of concern for everyone because Arctic warming and its consequences have worldwide implications," he said.

And the melting of glaciers is expected to raise world sea levels by about 10 cm (4 inches) by the end of the century.

Many of the four million people in the Arctic are already suffering. Buildings from Russia to Canada have collapsed because of subsidence linked to thawing permafrost that also destabilises oil pipelines, roads and airports.

Indigenous hunters are falling through thinning ice and say that prey from seals to whales is harder to find. Rising levels of ultra-violet radiation may cause cancers.

Changes under way in the Arctic "present serious challenges to human health and food security, and possibly even (to) the survival of some cultures," the report says.

Farming could benefit in some areas, while more productive forests are moving north on to former tundra. "There are not just negative consequences, there will be new opportunities too," said Paal Prestrud, vice-chair of ACIA.

Scientists will meet in Iceland this week to discuss the report. Foreign ministers from Arctic nations are due to meet in Iceland on November 24 but diplomats say they are deeply split with Washington least willing to make drastic action.

President George W. Bush pulled the United States, the world's top polluter, out of the 126-nation Kyoto protocol in 2001, arguing its curbs on greenhouse gas emissions were too costly and unfairly excluded developing nations.

"Kyoto is only a first step," said Norwegian Environment Minister Knut Hareide, a strong backer of Kyoto. "The clear message from this report is that Kyoto is not enough. We must reduce emissions much more in coming decades."
How long will the Bush administration continue to wage deception and ignore science?
 

Train

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Im not going to say emissions arent causing any problems. But it would take quite a lot to affect the earths climate by a single degree.

I've heard pretty plausible arguments from scientists that say the temperature increase (1 degree since 1920 or so?) is more due to the fact that the Earth is still coming out of its most recent ice age. And if you look at the archeological findings over the past 3 or 4 ice ages, we are right in step with the previous ice ages at this point.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Train
Im not going to say emissions arent causing any problems. But it would take quite a lot to affect the earths climate by a single degree.

I've heard pretty plausible arguments from scientists that say the temperature increase (1 degree since 1920 or so?) is more due to the fact that the Earth is still coming out of its most recent ice age. And if you look at the archeological findings over the past 3 or 4 ice ages, we are right in step with the previous ice ages at this point.
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/Climate.html
Global mean surface temperatures have increased 0.5-1.0°F since the late 19th century. The 20th century's 10 warmest years all occurred in the last 15 years of the century. Of these, 1998 was the warmest year on record. The snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere and floating ice in the Arctic Ocean have decreased. Globally, sea level has risen 4-8 inches over the past century. Worldwide precipitation over land has increased by about one percent. The frequency of extreme rainfall events has increased throughout much of the United States.

Increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases are likely to accelerate the rate of climate change. Scientists expect that the average global surface temperature could rise 1-4.5°F (0.6-2.5°C) in the next fifty years, and 2.2-10°F (1.4-5.8°C) in the next century, with significant regional variation. Evaporation will increase as the climate warms, which will increase average global precipitation. Soil moisture is likely to decline in many regions, and intense rainstorms are likely to become more frequent. Sea level is likely to rise two feet along most of the U.S. coast.

Since Ice Ages run in, what, 10,000- 15,000 year cycles to see significant changes in only 100 years would seem, to me, to be quite out of the ordinary.
 

Train

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The speed at which the temperature rises does not indacate a worsening scenario. The less ice and snow on the earths surface means there is less white stuff reflecting the suns rays. The rise in temperatures is expected to be somewhat exponential, do not get alarmed.

http://www.newscientist.com/ho...mate.jsp?id=ns99995094

Record ice core gives fair forecast

As long as humans do not mess it up, the Earth's climate is set at fair for the next 15,000 years. That is according to information extracted from the oldest ice core ever drilled.

The Antarctic core is the first to reach as far back as a warm period with characteristics similar to our own interglacial. So it should help make more accurate predictions about when to expect the next deep freeze.

The ice core, drilled from a feature in central Antarctica called Dome C, is around 3 kilometres long and 10 centimetres wide. Changes in the relative proportions of hydrogen isotopes in the ice layers allow scientists to compile a complete record of Antarctic temperatures going back 740,000 years.

The core shows the waxing and waning of eight ice ages. Most critically for making predictions about our climate, it is the first core to record a period known as Termination V, around 430,000 years ago.


Warming pattern

At this point, the world moved from a glacial period into a long, warm interglacial, similar to this era. The previous longest ice-core record, drilled by the Soviet Union at Vostok in Antarctica between 1980 and 1988, went back only 420,000 years.

"All interglacials are slightly different, but we believe Termination V is the most similar to our own," says chief author of the new study, Eric Wolff, at the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, UK. It mirrors the pattern of solar warming between seasons and at different latitudes that are caused by fluctuations in the Earth's orbit known as the Milankovitch cycles.

It shows that the Termination V interglacial was unusually long, lasting 28,000 years. The current interglacial is now 12,000 years old, and some scientists feared that we might be heading for an ice age soon since at least one post-Termination V interglacial lasted just 10,000 years.

But the new findings suggest that even without the human hand in global warming, a new ice age would be unlikely for perhaps another 15,000 years, Wolff says.


Ice blanket


The core also sheds light on how ice ages have changed over the past million years. Since Termination V, ice ages have been very intense, with periods of cold weather that blanketed much of the northern hemisphere in ice for 80,000 years punctuated by short interglacials lasting typically 20,000 years.

But the new core shows that, prior to Termination V, the cold and warm periods of the glacial cycle each lasted around 50,000 years but were much less intense.

"Marine deposits suggested some of this, but it stands out much more clearly in the ice record," Wolff says.

Meanwhile, European and US scientists are discussing plans to survey for a site in Antarctica that will extend the record still further. "We want to go back at least 1.2 million years next time," Wolff says. "But we have to find somewhere that we can do it."

 

conjur

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But emissions from burning fossil fuels has changed the dynamics of our atmosphere in ways not seen before.
 

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Originally posted by: assemblage
The main reason for global warming is deforestation of tropical rainforests.

There are a lot of reasons.... but to pretend it doesn't exist is silly at best.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: assemblage
The main reason for global warming is deforestation of tropical rainforests.

Agreed. Fewer trees/plants means less CO2 consuming life. More free CO2 -> heating. Refill the rainforests and stop logging if you want to stop global warming. Not that it will have any affect at all on our lives.
 

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Preventing global warming could hurt todays profit margins. I will be dead before we have to pay the piper so who cares.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: assemblage
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
It does not exist, that is why.
OMGHI2U! KTHXBYE!
Is that the "hax0rz" language?
More like AOL teenspeak...the only response worthy of bamavoo's spewing.
ahh conjur, i hoped youd be a better man than that. You and I know the avg person on this forum is not up to date on a specific topic such as this one, so they are likely to take what you post as fact. Dont try to hide the fact that the scientific community is split almost 50/50 on this issue by trying to say opinions/evidence against you is "spewing" you're attempting to nip it in the bud. You try to paint the Bush admin as idiots, but when it turns out they are pretty well founded in thier stance, you go into attack mode. you do a pretty good job of controlling the climate of this forum, thats for sure.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: assemblage
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
It does not exist, that is why.
OMGHI2U! KTHXBYE!
Is that the "hax0rz" language?
More like AOL teenspeak...the only response worthy of bamavoo's spewing.
ahh conjur, i hoped youd be a better man than that. You and I know the avg person on this forum is not up to date on a specific topic such as this one, so they are likely to take what you post as fact. Dont try to hide the fact that the scientific community is split almost 50/50 on this issue by trying to say opinions/evidence against you is "spewing" you're attempting to nip it in the bud. You try to paint the Bush admin as idiots, but when it turns out they are pretty well founded in thier stance, you go into attack mode. you do a pretty good job of controlling the climate of this forum, thats for sure.
You've been here long enough to know that BAMAVOO has never contributed anything to a thread.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Preventing global warming could hurt todays profit margins. I will be dead before we have to pay the piper so who cares.
Don't worry, moonbeam. ATP&N will take up a collection and have you cryogenically frozen and thawed out in about 100 years and then you can tithe your 75% to cover the debt to the United Church of America.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: conjur
You've been here long enough to know that BAMAVOO has never contributed anything to a thread.
never heard of him til just now. Are we now disregarding anyone who "has never contributed anything to a thread"? damn, then why are so many people still posintg? Besides, conjur, I am not on these boards nearly as much as you, Im on here a couple hours maybe 3 or 4 days a week. Sometimes going a whole week or more without a single post.
 

NeoV

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Train, the scientific community is hardly split 50/50 on this one.

Saying we are in line with the trends following the last 3 or 4 ice ages isn't a valid point at all. There are fewer trees and more pollutants in the atmosphere than at any time in the planet's recent history. Yes, over the last 100 years the temp has basically increased by a single degree, but the trend over the past 15 years, with the ever increasing rate of emissions - which will only continue to grow as China and India's huge populations continue to add thousands of cars, literally by the day, to their streets.

The fact is the majority of the scientific community and the gornerning bodies of nearly every major nation disagree with the stance that this administration has taken on this issue - and the ties this administration has to the industries directly affected by any effort to reduce emissions can't be ignored.
 

conjur

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No *wonder* they think it's a conspiracy.... :evil:


Global Warming Exposes Arctic to Oil, Gas Drilling
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...sc_nm/energy_arctic_dc
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rising global temperatures will melt areas of the Arctic this century, making them more accessible for oil and natural gas drilling, a report prepared by the United States and seven other nations said on Monday.

It predicts that over the next 100 years, global warming could increase Arctic annual average temperatures 5 to 9 degrees Fahrenheit over land and by up to 13 degrees over water. Warmer temperatures could raise global sea levels by as much as 3 feet.

Such a change would threaten coastal cities, change growing patterns for vegetation and destroy habitats for some wildlife, but an energy-starved world would have new areas for oil and gas exploration, according to the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report.

The Arctic region, particularly offshore, has huge oil and gas reserves, mostly in Russia, Canada, Alaska, Greenland and Norway.

Warmer temperatures would make it easier to drill and ship oil from the Arctic, the report said. It did not attempt to quantify the costs of drilling and shipping Arctic oil and gas, or estimate how high energy prices would have to be to justify drilling in the region.

"Offshore oil exploration and production are likely to benefit from less extensive and thinner sea ice, although equipment will have to be designed to withstand increased wave forces and ice movement," the report said.

However, land access to energy reserves would likely be restricted due to a shorter season during which the ground is frozen hard enough to support heavy drilling equipment.

"The thawing of permafrost, on which buildings, pipelines, airfields and coastal installations supporting oil and gas development are located, is very likely to adversely affect these structures and increase the cost of maintaining them," the report said.

Energy companies would find it easier to transport oil and gas because the warmer temperatures would open sea routes.

"By the end of this century, the length of the navigation season...along the Northern Sea route is projected to increase to about 120 days from the current 20-30 days," the report said.

However, a longer shipping season will increase the risk of oil spills, the report warned.

The report was commissioned by the United States, Canada, Russia, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland. It concluded that global warming is heating the Arctic almost twice as quickly as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens millions of livelihoods.
 
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What's next? The Earth is round? That's laughable!

Got to love it though. I guess this is another one of those psots that must be concluded with:

Thank you all that voted for Bush! Seriosuly, Thank You.