Bush Administration 'On the Cheap' with our Military

CaptnKirk

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New York Times

By cutting the WRONG costs, and making sure that Halliburton got their Millions of $$$$ in contracts,
it is adversly effectiong our Militarys safety, security, and moral.

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A few days ago I talked to a soldier just back from Iraq. He'd been in a relatively calm area; his main complaint was about food. Four months after the fall of Baghdad, his unit was still eating the dreaded M.R.E.'s: meals ready to eat. When Italian troops moved into the area, their food was "way more realistic" ? and American troops were soon trading whatever they could for some of that Italian food.

Other stories are far worse. Letters published in Stars and Stripes and e-mail published on the Web site of Col. David Hackworth (a decorated veteran and Pentagon critic) describe shortages of water. One writer reported that in his unit, "each soldier is limited to two 1.5-liter bottles a day," and that inadequate water rations were leading to "heat casualties." An American soldier died of heat stroke on Saturday; are poor supply and living conditions one reason why U.S. troops in Iraq are suffering such a high rate of noncombat deaths?

The U.S. military has always had superb logistics. What happened? The answer is a mix of penny-pinching and privatization ? which makes our soldiers' discomfort a symptom of something more general.

Colonel Hackworth blames "dilettantes in the Pentagon" who "thought they could run a war and an occupation on the cheap."
But the cheapness isn't restricted to Iraq. In general, the "support our troops" crowd draws the line when that support might actually cost something.

The usually conservative Army Times has run blistering editorials on this subject. Its June 30 blast, titled "Nothing but Lip Service," begins: "In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap ? and getting cheaper by the day, judging from the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately." The article goes on to detail a series of promises broken and benefits cut.

Military corner-cutting is part of a broader picture of penny-wise-pound-foolish government. When it comes to tax cuts or subsidies to powerful interest groups, money is no object. But elsewhere, including homeland security, small-government ideology reigns.
The Bush administration has been unwilling to spend enough on any aspect of homeland security, whether it's providing firefighters and police officers with radios or protecting the nation's ports. The decision to pull air marshals off some flights to save on hotel bills ? reversed when the public heard about it ? was simply a sound-bite-worthy example.
(Air marshals have told MSNBC.com that a "witch hunt" is now under way at the Transportation Security Administration, and that those who reveal cost-cutting measures to the media are being threatened with the Patriot Act.)

There's also another element in the Iraq logistical snafu: privatization. The U.S. military has shifted many tasks traditionally performed by soldiers into the hands of such private contractors as Kellogg Brown & Root - the Halliburton sunsidiary.
The Iraq war and its aftermath gave this privatized system its first major test in combat ? and the system failed.

According to the Newhouse News Service, "U.S. troops in Iraq suffered through months of unnecessarily poor living conditions because some civilian contractors hired by the Army for logistics support failed to show up." Not surprisingly, civilian contractors ? and their insurance companies ? get spooked by war zones. The Financial Times reports that the dismal performance of contractors in Iraq has raised strong concerns about what would happen in a war against a serious opponent, like North Korea.

Military privatization, like military penny-pinching, is part of a pattern. Both for ideological reasons and, one suspects, because of the patronage involved, the people now running the country seem determined to have public services provided by private corporations,
no matter what the circumstances. For example, you may recall that in the weeks after 9/11 the Bush administration and its Congressional allies fought tooth and nail to leave airport screening in the hands of private security companies, giving in only in the face of overwhelming public pressure. In Iraq, reports The Baltimore Sun, "the Bush administration continues to use American corporations to perform work that United Nations agencies and nonprofit aid groups can do more cheaply."

In short, the logistical mess in Iraq isn't an isolated case of poor planning and mismanagement: it's telling us what's wrong with our current philosophy of government
 

DealMonkey

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I always thought one of the benefits of privitization was that you open your project up for competitive bidding and therefore save money. Apparantly, privitization in the military means you don't need competitive bids, you just hand the project off to whomever. Halliburton in this case and the last few wars.

Is it possible the military is missing the point of privitization?
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Recently published letters in the Stars and Stripes You be the judge.

I'll comment on this one after repairing a notebook here at work.

I read some of the letters and they are somewhat mixed when you look at the contect.

my only comment on the OP

the soldiers should have anything they need. If it's really true that they don't have decent meals etc... then they should kick the people responsible for this problem a few times in the ass

 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: burnedout
Recently published letters in the Stars and Stripes You be the judge.

I'll comment on this one after repairing a notebook here at work.

I read some of the letters and they are somewhat mixed when you look at the contect.

my only comment on the OP

the soldiers should have anything they need. If it's really true that they don't have decent meals etc... then they should kick the people responsible for this problem a few times in the ass
freegeeks: Yes, soldiers should have anything they need. I agree with everything you say. Hey, we finally agree on something! :D

The following comments are not directed at you. My problem is with the content and inaccuracies of the New York Times story. Allow me to point out some things that are not totally accurate with their story:

his unit was still eating the dreaded M.R.E.'s: meals ready to eat. When Italian troops moved into the area, their food was "way more realistic" ? and American troops were soon trading whatever they could for some of that Italian food

I have traded C-rations, cigarettes (I no longer smoke), socks and soap to Bedouins for goat meat. This is very common. I have dived in the Red Sea with my First Sergeant and caught Octopus so we could have something other than C-rations. We all wanted Filet Minon or Caviar every night. But it just wasn't available. Hot A's or T-Rations are nice. If they are not available, then yes, something is wrong. But the situation isn't totally abnormal.

Letters published in Stars and Stripes and e-mail published on the Web site of Col. David Hackworth (a decorated veteran and Pentagon critic) describe shortages of water. One writer reported that in his unit, "each soldier is limited to two 1.5-liter bottles a day," and that inadequate water rations were leading to "heat casualties." An American soldier died of heat stroke on Saturday; are poor supply and living conditions one reason why U.S. troops in Iraq are suffering such a high rate of noncombat deaths?

Two 1.5 liters bottles of water a day? Hmmmm. Here are excerpts from the letter:

"We only get water from a water buffalo unless we get lucky and have bottled water brought to us, and then it?s only two bottles for each soldier a day, if that."

From the letter "Don't forget Use"

They have water available. The U.S. Army would purify every bit of water in the Tigris and Euphrates rivers if they must. The problem is that they don't have enough "bottled water".

Now, from Colonel Hackworth's website:

"Feedback from Iraq

Imagine this bastard getting away with such crap if we had a draftee army?

"I do know there are people living in areas with running water and A.C. That, of course, is not us... although my COL lives like that."


Wow Col. Hackworth. How professional! But he wasn't really known for professionalism now, was he? By the way, Joe Calofano sends his best. Anyway, Col. Hackworth, we no longer have the draftee army you so advocated. And since when does a Colonel take the word of soldier in another Colonel's chain of command? Has Colonel Hackworth even inquired with the other Colonel about the situation? Or does he take the word of a Private/Sergeant/who knows at face value?

"The usually conservative Army Times has run blistering editorials on this subject. Its June 30 blast, titled "Nothing but Lip Service," begins: "In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap ? and getting cheaper by the day, judging from the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately." The article goes on to detail a series of promises broken and benefits cut."

Somebody should write the Army Times and ask them to look in their archives. This story is nothing compared to others they have published from the Vietnam era. Do a search on the internet for "Nothing but Lip Service". The Army Times isn't even part of the U.S. Government! Additionally, the Army Times bitches as much as the soldiers do.

Bottom line: I take this New York Times story with a grain of salt. I've found at least three items taken out of context for the sake of biased journalism. The journalist who wrote this crap obviously never put a pair of boots on in his life.

Yes, our brave men and women have it rough over there. I'm happy that I'm now retired and not back over there. But their road isn't any rougher than that which those before them traveled.
 

kylebisme

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i think the problem is that they are still living in battle conditions while the "war" is supposably well over. granted, the administration claims the war is over because no one likes a long war. but then no one likes a long war because we don't like seeing our solders living in battle conditions and coming home in body bags, both of witch are still an issue.

 

Brie

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In short, the logistical mess in Iraq isn't an isolated case of poor planning and mismanagement: it's telling us what's wrong with our current philosophy of government

Yes this has been going on for years... In both Gulf Wars there has been such a spare parts shortage that soldiers in the field are forced to cannibalize working choppers to keep the rest ready for combat ... Yes my dream job is a Missile Logistician...Does anyone know that when the batteries die in our missiles we just throw the whole million dollar missile away?!? amazing huh....

Military privatization, like military penny-pinching, is part of a pattern. Both for ideological reasons and, one suspects, because of the patronage involved, the people now running the country seem determined to have public services provided by private corporations,

Its sad but necessary...Military privatization is inevitable because no one in the military is doing the work. Instead of fixing the civil service we just contract everything out...much easier in the short term.

I always thought one of the benefits of privitization was that you open your project up for competitive bidding and therefore save money. Apparantly, privitization in the military means you don't need competitive bids, you just hand the project off to whomever. Halliburton in this case and the last few wars.

Is it possible the military is missing the point of privitization?

Yes, competitive bidding does bring the costs down but usually the gov. is bidding on work that it already pays people for. We definitely know the point of privatization...the problem is that the system needs to be fixed to ease us of the privatization. I?m sure most of the active duty army folks here have heard about the shake up in the Aviation Corps in recent weeks?
 

datalink7

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Oh god... FOUR MONTHS OF MRE'S!?!?!?! I was about ready to barf every meal time after 6 days of them...