Bush admin invokes "state secrets" to block EFF case against AT&T and NSA wiretapping rooms

[Deleted member 4644]

http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6066688.html?part=rss&tag=6066688&subj=news

Bush admin invokes "state secrets" to block EFF case against AT&T and NSA wiretapping rooms.

Basically, I think this is a problem for two reasons. First, Bush is demonstrating his willingness to ignore any balance of power between the three branches. Second, to me at least, it suggests that the government DOES have something to hide, and that it is most likely a very shocking fact, probably a drag-net type wiretap system.

 

[Lemon law]

To Lord Segan,

I tend to believe you are right---as long as GWB&co. can keep these cases out of court, courts will never get a chance rio review them---but sooner or later courts will--and the lower the popularity of GWB--the higher teh chancess ar that the courts will review.

Sooner or later these reviews will come out---and the extent of the survailance will be revealed--I predict even Bush's mosr ardent supporters will then be shocked.--but by then Bush will have already hanged himself over this or some other issue.

 

[EatSpam]

Sounds about right for this administration.

Where are the apologists?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Sounds about right for this administration.

Where are the apologists?

I'll help out:

" I'm sorry Bush is such an idiot "


Does that qualify as being an 'Apologist?

 

[BBond]

Big surprise, the most secretive administration in history is keeping more secrets because they have plenty to hide.

 

[DealMonkey]

What we need is an opposition Congress that can initiate investigations into these abuses. The current GOP majority have been huge pussies when it comes to civil rights abuses by the spy orgs.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
What we need is an opposition Congress that can initiate investigations into these abuses. The current GOP majority have been huge pussies when it comes to civil rights abuses by the spy orgs.

Yes. The balance of power needs to be restored in the US, or we will slide too far over into fascism.

 

[Jeff7]

Gee, isn't this the party that accused Clinton of "obstructing justice"?
*cough*hypocrites*cough*

 

[OrganizedChaos]

so the executive branch can ignore congress's laws
and the judicial branch dosen't have the power to hold the executive branch accountable

someone get george washington in here stat, we seem to have turned back into a monarchy.

 

[BBond]

It's worse that a monarchy. Here's more of what bush is trying to hide from America's supposed free citizens.

Check this out...

FBI secretly sought data on 3,501 people in ?05

Agency ramped up use of approach that requires no court approval

WASHINGTON - The FBI secretly sought information last year on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents from their banks and credit card, telephone and Internet companies without a court's approval, the Justice Department said Friday.

It was the first time the Bush administration has publicly disclosed how often it uses the administrative subpoena known as a national security letter, which allows the executive branch of government to obtain records about people in terrorism and espionage investigations without court approval.

Friday's disclosure was mandated as part of the renewal of the Patriot Act, the administration's sweeping anti-terror law.

The FBI delivered a total of 9,254 NSLs relating to 3,501 people in 2005, according to a report submitted late Friday to Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and Senate. In some cases, the bureau demanded information about one person from several companies.

The department also reported it received a secret court's approval for 155 warrants to examine business records last year, under a Patriot Act provision that includes library records. However, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has said the department has never used the provision to ask for library records.

The number was a significant jump over past use of the warrant for business records. A year ago, Gonzales told Congress there had been 35 warrants approved between November 2003 and April 2005.

Now ask yourselves this, what do you think your bank, credit card company, telephone company, ISP, EVEN YOUR LIBRARIAN FOR GOD'S SAKE, are going to think about you when the FBI starts snooping around demanding your records?

And since this is happening as often as it is, AND THIS TYPE OF EXTRA-JUDICIAL GOVERNMENT SPYING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS IS INCREASING, how can any of you believe bush or gonzales when they grin at the cameras and tell you they're only spying without warrants on international communications? Or they aren't asking for library records?

We're in the semenal stages of a change over to a complete fascist state. THE NEW WORLD ORDER, brought to you by the bush family.

Soon, a generation or so from now, hardly anyone will remember what it once meant to be an American. No one will remember what it once meant to be "free". Your most intimate communications will be routinely reviewed by people like bush, gonzales, and the rest of the Constitution destroying fascists that have taken over our government.

 

[RightIsWrong]

On a positive note, the apologists won't be hearing us complain much anymore. It will be virtually impossible within the police state that we will be residing in.

 

[Lemon law]

Well there is another thing to look at on the bright side---its perfectly legal for Bush or anyone in the present Bush administration
do drop on by and read the posts on this forum--and they can get an eye full of what we the people think of them.

They may think the answer is to build more prisons to hold us all--but a little more reading and they conclude there is not enough money to build enough prisons to hold us all.--or enough SS agents to arrest us--yet--they are too busy in Iraq.

With November a cumming---its time to call on Diebold.

 

[M00T]

Ok... I asked my friend (a blowhard Bush supporter) about this.

moot: i need you to tell me why the justice department is justified in halting the eff's lawsuit
moot: http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6066688.html?part=rss&tag=6066688&subj=news
Friend: because you dont think there is a threat and you believe that nsa has been stealing american's lives by wire tapping
Friend: which is fine you have your views

 

[MadRat]

If the state's secrets were illegal law enforcement activities then it wouldn't apply. The President then would be a conspirator to circumvent the law.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: MadRat
If the state's secrets were illegal law enforcement activities then it wouldn't apply. The President then would be a conspirator to circumvent the law.

The point is, NOW WE WILL NEVER KNOW. The DOJ/Bush has basically told the judge and lawyers and parties involved in the ATT case that they cannot even evaluate the case's merits becuase it is a matter of "national security." Failure to comply would presumably result in criminal charges against the judge/lawyers etc. This is dictatorship.