burglary now punishable by death in texas

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DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Obviously it would be tragic, but there must be such incidents in order to achieve the greater good granted by these freedoms. It's that whole 'giving up liberty for security' thing.

Actually you don't get to decide they weren't a danger, as you weren't there. Even the cop who was on scene said they were, and someone doesn't even actually have to BE a danger, just be PERCEIVED as one.
You seem to be expanding considerably on what we know about the plainclothes cop and what he had to say. Can you please link to this cop's testimony that clearly indicates that there was any danger? Frankly, I'm starting to not believe you any more than I believe Mr. Horn.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

It is ALWAYS good for the criminal to die. Always.

Do you ever speed?

Ummmm, speeding is a civil infraction, not a criminal offense.
 

PieIsAwesome

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Texans have been defending the borders and sovereignty from Mexico, Mexicans, the Spanish and Mexico?s South American allies since before its founding as a state and long before even the Alamo occurred.

Texas had sovereignty before Mexico/Spain but was not a state? What? :confused:
 

Number1

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Wow, you read about countries like Afghanistan or Iran where they cut off a hand for stealing and you think: how barbaric.

In Texas, if you see somebody doing something illegal you can kill them on the spot, no questions asked. Sickening realy.

:disgust:
 

Zebo

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It's a shame a 62 year old man has more balls than 60% of this thread.. From the sounds of it most of you would let these two break-in and not only steal from you but let them rape your girl (or boy as the case may be) while whining like babies in the corner.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In case you bleeding heart east coast liberals obviously forgot about it, Texas is and always has been struggling to remain democratic, free and a viable part of the USA. But if Texas turns into Texaco one day, like it rapidly is, all the rest of you liberal Yankee turncoat states will certainly be next to follow us as the USA is completely overrun and destroyed by the criminal illegal alien plague.
Do you realize how difficult it is for people to take you seriously with this sort of partisan spew? Go blame the federal gov't for not protecting your southern border - they're the ones responsible, remember?

Meh. SlickSnake seems to have forgotten that the Yankee North is the United States of America, and the turncoats states are the South. If he and his fellows want to keep talking like that, I'm sure a rematch could be arranged, and the rebels can get their asses kicked even worse the 2nd time around.

"I am selfishly protecting my own rights from wannabe word vigilantes."

I think this is an accurate misquote by you for this baseless criticism of my comments, Vic.

I used the word turncoat generally, not literally, which is something the anal grammy nannies like yourself never seem to comprehend before posting baseless trash and endlessly arguing with other posters about.

The term turncoat means traitor and I am aware of the various meanings of the word turncoat. I used it here intentionally to refer in an ironic nature to the traitorous comments the Yank posters have for anything that involves Texas.

You accidentally added even more irony to my usage by choosing to comment about it, in some futile attempt to befuddle my proper usage of turncoat. But if you unintentionally enlightened some random reader who was not aware of one possible historical meaning, then I guess it was not all in vain.

So the next time you want to be a grammy nannie, try looking up the word you may fail to completely comprehend the ironic use of before you mistakenly criticize someone over the ironic use of it all while failing to see the irony of it all.

:confused:






 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Texans have been defending the borders and sovereignty from Mexico, Mexicans, the Spanish and Mexico?s South American allies since before its founding as a state and long before even the Alamo occurred.

Texas had sovereignty before Mexico/Spain but was not a state? What? :confused:

I said TEXANS not TEXAS.

Yes, Texans (or people who lived in what is present day Texas) fought for sovereignty from Mexico before its founding as a state.

Texas History Timeline

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a shame a 62 year old man has more balls than 60% of this thread.. From the sounds of it most of you would let these two break-in and not only steal from you but let them rape your girl (or boy as the case may be) while whining like babies in the corner.

You lack balls and a clue and a proper sense of the value of human life. How sad. No one in this thread said they'd let them do any of the things you said without shooting them.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In case you bleeding heart east coast liberals obviously forgot about it, Texas is and always has been struggling to remain democratic, free and a viable part of the USA. But if Texas turns into Texaco one day, like it rapidly is, all the rest of you liberal Yankee turncoat states will certainly be next to follow us as the USA is completely overrun and destroyed by the criminal illegal alien plague.
Do you realize how difficult it is for people to take you seriously with this sort of partisan spew? Go blame the federal gov't for not protecting your southern border - they're the ones responsible, remember?

Partisan spew? It's hypocritical how you fail to recognize it as such when it comes out of YANKEES continuously criticizing all things Texas and Texans in thread after thread in P&N and OT.
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a shame a 62 year old man has more balls than 60% of this thread.. From the sounds of it most of you would let these two break-in and not only steal from you but let them rape your girl (or boy as the case may be) while whining like babies in the corner.

You lack balls and a clue and a proper sense of the value of human life. How sad. No one in this thread said they'd let them do any of the things you said without shooting them.

And you somehow think these illegal alien career criminals value human life? Maybe you need to listen to the attorney generals office in Florida and see what they think about that statement.

MEXICANS BEHEAD LITTLE GIRL WHO REFUSED TO BE RAPED



 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a shame a 62 year old man has more balls than 60% of this thread.. From the sounds of it most of you would let these two break-in and not only steal from you but let them rape your girl (or boy as the case may be) while whining like babies in the corner.

You lack balls and a clue and a proper sense of the value of human life. How sad. No one in this thread said they'd let them do any of the things you said without shooting them.

And you somehow think these illegal alien career criminals value human life?

I don't know. I didn't see any murder or even violent crime in their background. It's clear they didn't respect others' property rights. But the lives of those who don't have value.

But your lack of a clue is only further illustrated by your implication that their problems justify yours, or that what some unrelated Mexicans did has anything to do with them.


On the other hand, it looks like I can add racism to the list of your problems.


 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Zebo
It's a shame a 62 year old man has more balls than 60% of this thread.. From the sounds of it most of you would let these two break-in and not only steal from you but let them rape your girl (or boy as the case may be) while whining like babies in the corner.

You lack balls and a clue and a proper sense of the value of human life. How sad. No one in this thread said they'd let them do any of the things you said without shooting them.

And you somehow think these illegal alien career criminals value human life?


I don't know. I didn't see any murder or even violent crime in their background.

Did your magic 8 ball tell you this?

Originally posted by: Craig234
It's clear they didn't respect others' property rights. But the lives of those who don't have value.

Is that a fact? Next time then your house is fair game for the illegal alien onslaught? They will be glad to know you value them so much! Then they can steal from you with no remorse or regrets! Of course they didn't have any anyhow.

Originally posted by: Craig234
But your lack of a clue is only further illustrated by your implication that their problems justify yours, or that what some unrelated Mexicans did has anything to do with them.

Your lack of a clue is the fact they are in this country illegally to commit crimes against anyone or anywhere that looks like a good target. And how do their problems justify mine? But just to confuse you more, their problems must justify yours, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to point it out to us.


Originally posted by: Craig234
On the other hand, it looks like I can add racism to the list of your problems.

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The most interesting comments on the video and why I linked it is where he states you cannot separate illegal immigration from national security issues. And that illegal aliens do not care about life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, what they care about is money and people (human smuggling) are the means to get it. But if you want to twist this video into a racist comment about me, so be it.

Anyone who claims not to be a racist to some degree is deceiving themselves. We all have our biological prejudices and favoritisms to some extent. There are no exceptions. Millions of years of human evolution does not lie about these things. You are not excused from racism, nor am I, nor is anyone else.

Racism also does not necessarily imply some wacko violent activism about it. Unfortunately people who frequently spout off about racism to others seem to fail to understand this simple fact and are obviously acting guilty of racism themselves.

Usually the term racist would be more accurately used to describe a violent activist, however, the various dictionaries are not fully in agreement over the definitions of any of these racial terms. But the truth is for anyone to use any of these terms to try to describe anyone else is pure human hypocrisy at its finest.

 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In case you bleeding heart east coast liberals obviously forgot about it, Texas is and always has been struggling to remain democratic, free and a viable part of the USA. But if Texas turns into Texaco one day, like it rapidly is, all the rest of you liberal Yankee turncoat states will certainly be next to follow us as the USA is completely overrun and destroyed by the criminal illegal alien plague.
Do you realize how difficult it is for people to take you seriously with this sort of partisan spew? Go blame the federal gov't for not protecting your southern border - they're the ones responsible, remember?

Are you coming back for more of an online asswhipping?!

First you LIE about what I say, then you take things out of context and THEN you blatanlty IGNORE FACTS that I post.

Your a glutton for punishment arent you.

Everyone can quite easily see what you said, it's spelled out in black and white. The only liar is you.

So you admit the country does in fact work under the premise that if you step outside the bounds of the law you lose the protections offered?
So you do agree to the idea that a theif who is stealing your goods is not harming you?

Or do you continue to ignore facts, take things out of context, change the very definitions of words and all the while claim others are the....what was it? Oh yes...retards.

For a guy who ignores facts and changes the definitions of words, you sure like to call OTHERS a "retard".

You didnt do well in school did you?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

It is ALWAYS good for the criminal to die. Always.

Do you ever speed?

Ummmm, speeding is a civil infraction, not a criminal offense.

No, it's not. It's criminal, not civil.

I'm sure you're tired of hearing this but... not in Texas. Pretty much all moving violations are considered civil offenses so that they go through an administrative court rather than a criminal one. In these administrative courts, there is no "burden of proof" on the prosecutor to prove you guilty. It dramatically reduces your ability to easily fight a ticket (requires an appeal to the county court,) and greatly increases the speed and volume of money the state (and municipalities) take in.

In 2007, the majority of the Texas budget was paid for by fees, tickets and wait for it... tuition :confused:.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I know what you're saying, but I'm saying this IS the way our nation has worked, and continues to work. Each state allows lethal force to respond to a threat. In other words each state says in writing that you do not commit a crime by killing someone who is threatening you (within varying specifics). Therefore each state acknowledges that a person who threatens another is accepting the possibility that they will be killed without trial. I realize it's roundabout, but that IS in essence what is being said.

The vast majority of states limit the people being able to execute lethal force in this manner to their own property in order to make sure that we do not have a bunch of jackasses like Horn trying to be some kind of vigilante hero and then claiming that they were only defending themselves from the danger that they purposely dove into head first. Horn even said himself that he regrets what he did and stated that he does not wish to be viewed as a good example of what one should do in that situation.



Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
You're welcome to your opinion, but your opinion is utterly meaningless. It's not the way things are. You're free to try and change them however.

I think I care more about preservation and justice for innocents than I do for criminals, and you feel either that they must be equal or that criminals deserve more somehow. What I haven't seen is any indication of how changing the system would preserve justice for innocents. It seems to me it just strips away rights and hands all power to criminals.

The difference between you and I is that I believe that one is innocent before proven guilty and you do not. Being proven guilty must be done in a court of law. Not by your average dumb ass citizen. You believe that just because one suspects others of performing criminal acts that it automatically makes them a criminal and they are stripped of their rights. That is not how this country is supposed to work. In this country, even criminals have rights. That is the law and the letter. You just don't agree with it and believe we should kill them all.

I'll tell ya, there is a very thin line that separates your way of thinking and these criminals. The only thing keeping you on the other side of that line are certain laws which you wish didn't even exist. Neither one of you respects the rights of the other. That is some really thin ice in my book.


 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In case you bleeding heart east coast liberals obviously forgot about it, Texas is and always has been struggling to remain democratic, free and a viable part of the USA. But if Texas turns into Texaco one day, like it rapidly is, all the rest of you liberal Yankee turncoat states will certainly be next to follow us as the USA is completely overrun and destroyed by the criminal illegal alien plague.
Do you realize how difficult it is for people to take you seriously with this sort of partisan spew? Go blame the federal gov't for not protecting your southern border - they're the ones responsible, remember?

Partisan spew? It's hypocritical how you fail to recognize it as such when it comes out of YANKEES continuously criticizing all things Texas and Texans in thread after thread in P&N and OT.

Who the fuck uses the word "yankees" anymore? The same sort of douchebag who implies anyone who criticizes Texas is some sort of "turncoat/traitor," I suppose. Beyond lame.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Anyone who claims not to be a racist to some degree is deceiving themselves. We all have our biological prejudices and favoritisms to some extent. There are no exceptions. Millions of years of human evolution does not lie about these things. You are not excused from racism, nor am I, nor is anyone else.
Speak for yourself.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
So you admit the country does in fact work under the premise that if you step outside the bounds of the law you lose the protections offered?
Only one of MANY rights are lost. A right that has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread. Try to stay on topic now won't you? Go back and look at the original quote I was responding to if you insist on being deliberately obtuse.

So you do agree to the idea that a theif who is stealing your goods is not harming you?
Absolutely not. A victim of criminals, regardless of the crime, is being harmed somehow. Your narrow interpretation of the word is laughable. But thanks again for wishing harm on me simply because we disagree on a particular topic.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Anyone who claims not to be a racist to some degree is deceiving themselves. We all have our biological prejudices and favoritisms to some extent. There are no exceptions. Millions of years of human evolution does not lie about these things. You are not excused from racism, nor am I, nor is anyone else.

I don't know about that. I think there are tons of people who are not racist. Having preferences is ok though and that doesn't make a you a racist. I prefer and enjoy the presence of certain cultures more than others on average, but that doesn't mean I pass judgment on everyone within a certain culture.

I know I am not a racist. However, I do tend to partially be a "classist" although I do not actively oppress the poor to benefit the rich which fits as part of the definition of Classism. The issue is that I have a tendency to pass judgment prematurely upon those who appear and act very poor regardless of race. I'm not proud of those tendencies, but I do admit that they exist.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Specop 007
So you admit the country does in fact work under the premise that if you step outside the bounds of the law you lose the protections offered?
Only one of MANY rights are lost. A right that has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread. Try to stay on topic now won't you? Go back and look at the original quote I was responding to if you insist on being deliberately obtuse.

It has everything to do with it. Again...

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
They choose to inflict harm upon individuals. In so doing they remove themselves from the umbrella of the social contract. They are no longer agreeing to live by the rules, so no longer deserve the protections.
Your (ignorant) opinion perhaps ... but that's not how our country and our constitution works.


It IS how this country works. If you become a felon you lose some of your rights. How much more clear can this very simple concept be? Why do you refuse to accept it? The failing here is apparently your inability to admit the facts that yes, breaking the law denies you of some of your right. I'm starting to think you are actually mentally handicapped because you seem to be unable to see the connection between breaking the law and being denied some of your Rights.

So you do agree to the idea that a theif who is stealing your goods is not harming you?
Absolutely not. A victim of criminals, regardless of the crime, is being harmed somehow. Your narrow interpretation of the word is laughable. But thanks again for wishing harm on me simply because we disagree on a particular topic.

You will have to argue that with Merriam Webster, not me. Its certainly not my fault if you do not understand the definition of the words you use. Or perhaps you're one of those individuals who likes to use snazzy sounding words that you dont understand in order tos ound educated?? I dont know. But the point again is quite clear. You do not understand even your own sentences, which explains why concepts outside of your own typing are so difficult for you to grasp.

I'm truly beginning to think your mentally handicapped.......
 

DealMonkey

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Definitions of harm on the Web:

injury: any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
damage: the occurrence of a change for the worse
damage: the act of damaging something or someone
cause or do harm to; "These pills won't harm your system"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aharm

"Harm" can mean damage to something or someone, or simply a change for the worse. Meaning, I can be harmed by criminals stealing my stuff.

Now go run along, Merriam.
 

Bird222

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

You're retarded, aren't you? Hoping that I'm a victim of criminals is somehow NOT harm? No one said "bodily harm" nor did they have to in order to wish harm upon someone.

Speaking of retarded.....

Main Entry: 1harm
Pronunciation: \'härm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hearm; akin to Old High German harm injury, Old Church Slavic sramu shame
Date: before 12th century
1 : physical or mental damage : injury


No, being the victim of theives does not in fact harm you at all.

That'll do donkey, that'll do. Your ignorance and inability to discuss this issue is painfully apparent.

This is your definition. Can you explain how someone who gets broken in on and goods taken has NOT suffered mental damage/injury?

 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Definitions of harm on the Web:

injury: any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
damage: the occurrence of a change for the worse
damage: the act of damaging something or someone
cause or do harm to; "These pills won't harm your system"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aharm

"Harm" can mean damage to something or someone, or simply a change for the worse. Meaning, I can be harmed by criminals stealing my stuff.

Now go run along, Merriam.

Run along? I'm still waiting to see you backpedal out of taking things out of context and ignoring facts. Those facts I posted about "How this country works".....

And again, argue it with Merriam not me.
 

Nebor

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While you guys are arguing over semantics and personal attacks, Texans will continue to shoot people. People who are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, nephews, nieces, cousins and uncles. :(