Burglar in house, you have gun locked and loaded

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Burglar in house, you have gun locked and loaded

  • immediately shoot. 1 in the head, 2 in the chest. no questions asked

  • immediately shoot, but not to kill

  • anounce that you have gun and ask burglar to leave first

  • curl up like a bitch, hand over wife/gf, kids, and jewelry


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eits

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And yet people in CCW states still get robbed. You would think that if robbers were not willing to risk getting shot they would do it in states that do not issue CCW. I think the very fact that I live in a state with castle doctrine and very lax ccw laws should give any idiot pause before he breaks into someone's house.

Yet it doesn't (except in that town that requires everyone to own a gun), so that tells me these criminals have weighed the facts and have decided the risk is worth it. So I don't feel sorry defending myself because they have already made the decision for me.

I'm not paranoid. I know I will probably never use my guns for self defense. In fact I bought most of my guns for pleasure. I have only purchased 2 guns for self defense (my carry and my 357). I also know the chance that I may get into a car accident is also very low. The same with dying unexpectedly, having a house fire, someone getting hurt on my property and suing me, becoming injured and unable to work for a long period of time, or losing my job and needing to hunt for a new one and pay the bills. Yet I'm prepared for all of those possibilities. I pay car insurance, house insurance, health insurance. I have a fire extinguisher on me and in my car. I have flares, fire steel, tire jacks, first aid kits, small hand tools, and a blanket in my car.

I was raised to be prepared. I'm not scared of the government or some race of people. I don't know any of my friends who fit that description as well. I'm simply prepared. I have made decisions as to what I feel is worth my protection and I have purchased items to insure that protection. For example, I have dead bolts on my doors, I have a safe, I have a sub pump to prevent my basement flooding, I have a fire extinguisher, and I have a firearm.

I also carry a knife every single day. It's not a weapon, it's for utility. Yet everyone who sees it assumes I'm paranoid because I have it simply because it has a spring assist and it is black. I happen to need a knife now and then and I also happen to think black is a nice color and spring assist is just dang cool. No devious reasoning back there.

In fact no one outside will ever see my gun. It's not to be tough, or macho but to simply provide me with a easy to use readily available tool for the protection of myself, my family and my property.

To prepare for the use of said tool I have done what I do with all tools. I have found training and learned how to properly use that tool. If I do not feel the need to fire the gun, I feel it is wrong to pull it. The purpose of my gun is to stop someone from taking my property or my life. If I don't need to shoot it then I don't need to pull it. To this aim I have never practiced pulling my gun and threatening the target down range with it. I have practiced pulling my gun and shooting it. When under stress that will be what is done. You fight like you train. Sadly, that means I will be shooting someone and they might die. As bad as I feel about that, they made that choice, I did not. They decided to try to rob someone in a state where anyone can carry a hidden weapon for $100.00 and where it is legal to use that weapon to defend your property/life.

Further more, using the firearm as a threat puts me at risk. What if he has friends? Very few crimes happen with a solo criminal. This is why all good courses teach you to pull, fire, and then look around. You are looking for his buddy. If I pull and do not fire, now I have to keep myself safe from my attacker while at the same time looking for his partner who could be anywhere. This could get me killed. If I let him run, then pulling it had no purpose as he will be getting away with violating my privacy and possibly taking my stuff with him. This could also offer him the opportunity to get revenge.

In addition to that, in my area home robbers come in two flavors.

1) Meth addicts - these are smash and grabs you probably can get your gun and get downstairs before they are off with your blueray player. Mostly crimes of opportunity such as cars left in driveways or objects near windows that can be quickly carried off.
2) Planned thefts - This just happened right across the street from me. I live in a sleepy, mostly high middle class area with almost no crime. Yet 10-20 miles a way is a huge crime area. In the case of my neighbor she ordered cable tv. It was installed and then next day she came home earlier then normal to find a man in her house with a gun.

Apparently he was the cable guy and had scoped out her house and saw she had a cheap safe in her bedroom. He planned to rob her while she was at work but she came home early. He had brought a gun with him for just that purpose. He ordered her into another room, locked her in, and stole the safe. Her big dog just watched with it's tail between it's legs.

So even in a nice area where children run the streets until dusk and everyone knows everyone there is still that chance of crime. I don't feel it is high and I am in no way scared I might be attacked. I am however comforted with knowing that if someone was to break into my house while I'm at work that he would be met with my wife and a firearm. I don't think she could live with herself if she was in the neighbor's position.

good post. i understand your points of view. thank you for sharing. i can agree with most of them.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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I just don't see the need to worry about every possible scenario nor do I need to carry 35 ounces of steel and lead around with me.

The thread originally was not about CCW, it was about a weapon in your home for defense.
 

skyking

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Nov 21, 2001
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:rolleyes:

Whatever you say 'doctor'
you can't give it up with the personal attacks can you? So if you don't have a gun you're a grabber eh? stereotype much?
Oh and the OP talked about a burglar (single) and you are proposing some sort of zergling rush of 2~3 burglars. You must really be frightened all the time.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Whatever you say 'doctor'

lolz...you'd have to post on ATOT about what gun should you use and if then about how your g/f bitches about the ammo cost.

I hope she at least lives in a detached house to make all those guns worth it.

I love these dudes that live in doorman secured condos that think one day they are getting home-invaded.
 

killster1

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Mar 15, 2007
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So if your sure its a burglar and they are all the way in your house then you can blow them away. You might want to use a shotgun as you wont kill your neighbors that way too.. or at least a super expanding hollow point (anti terrorist rounds are my favorite) Id only take two shots and then worry about anyone outside or in another part of house. You really dont want to shoot your brother in law that came by to borrow a movie or something so might want to install a light on your gun, with 12 pages of posts to much to read through tho so prob already all said before.
 

nick1985

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lolz...you'd have to post on ATOT about what gun should you use and if then about how your g/f bitches about the ammo cost.

I hope she at least lives in a detached house to make all those guns worth it.

I love these dudes that live in doorman secured condos that think one day they are getting home-invaded.

Sweet an alkemyst post!
 

sourceninja

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I was proud of my wife. She got picked for jury duty. The case was about a man who shot a cop (and was carrying without a permit) who was trying to stop him from beating a woman. They asked if anyone in the selection pool owned firearms and my wife was the only member to not only know exactly what she owned (she has a ruger mark III and a ruger LCP) but also was the only member with a lifetime CCW.

She was quickly released from duty. She also asked the defense attorney (after he asked about gun ownership) if he would like the list of guns I own. He declined.
 

irishScott

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No thanks, the intro was as deliberate as my avoiding the vid. I loathe those who prey on emotion to try and cloud a message. I formed my personal defense philosophy long ago. I'm with jules, I am neither afraid of guns or my environment. I know how to shoot and have spent many a happy hour on the ranges and in the country with guns. I just don't see the need to worry about every possible scenario nor do I need to carry 35 ounces of steel and lead around with me.

How do you know the message is clouded if you haven't even heard the message to start with? You know, I saw a copy of Hamlet the other day that had an image of a skull with a candle on it. Obviously it's trying to prey on my emotions and cloud the message of Hamlet. Obviously I should avoid Hamlet at all costs to spite it for trying to sucker me in. :rolleyes:

And you don't need to carry 35 oz around. Once my order comes in I'll be carrying ~13. And I have been in scenarios where I would have liked a gun as an option (I got lucky, don't like depending on luck).
 
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eits

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Sounds to me like eits is a scaredy-cat and feels the need to keep guard dogs.

lol, what?

my girlfriend and i like big dogs. that means we're scaredy-cats? lol

and it's not like we trained the dogs to be guard dogs... they're just naturally guard dogs. that's what those breeds were bred for. it's in their blood to defend the family at all costs.

it was pretty funny, actually. i was chasing the kids around the house acting scary and saying "i'm gonna get you!" and they ran around screaming... the great dane bolted from her dog bed, barked at me, and took me to the ground because she thought i was actually trying to hurt the kids. i cracked up because she REALLY took me down hard (125 lbs of solid muscle and hard boney dog joints)... when she saw i was laughing, she let go of her bite on my arm and stood there panting. my arm was bruised from her bite for over a week.

anyone who comes to the door, the dogs bark at bigtime (it scares some door-to-door salespeople away)... but as soon as i open the door and tell them to get back, they're totally fine and curious and friendly... they try to get petted and loved on by whoever walks through the door. they'd never hurt anyone who wasn't a threat, a relative, or someone who entered the house with permission.
 

eits

Lifer
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Only if you loathe other people for gun ownership and want guns banned.

and when did i ever say that i was against gun ownership or that i wanted guns banned?

personally, i wouldn't mind seeing assault weapons banned (if they could be given a better definition), but other than that, i'm totally cool with home-defense guns, ccw, and hunting weapons. it's the mac-10s, uzis, ak-47s, etc that i have a problem with seeing... i understand it's kinda like owning a ferrari or something in the gun world, but those, in my opinion, are a lot more dangerous than a regular handgun or rifle because of how much they shoot. it's the difference between a nutjob opening fire on a bunch of people with a pistol or rifle as opposed to using an automatic... if it's going to happen, i'd rather it be with a semi-automatic (sans full auto option).
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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and when did i ever say that i was against gun ownership or that i wanted guns banned?

personally, i wouldn't mind seeing assault weapons banned (if they could be given a better definition), but other than that, i'm totally cool with home-defense guns, ccw, and hunting weapons. it's the mac-10s, uzis, ak-47s, etc that i have a problem with seeing... i understand it's kinda like owning a ferrari or something in the gun world, but those, in my opinion, are a lot more dangerous than a regular handgun or rifle because of how much they shoot. it's the difference between a nutjob opening fire on a bunch of people with a pistol or rifle as opposed to using an automatic... if it's going to happen, i'd rather it be with a semi-automatic (sans full auto option).

QUICK!

Name how many crimes have been committed with a selective fire or full auto weapon.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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and when did i ever say that i was against gun ownership or that i wanted guns banned?

personally, i wouldn't mind seeing assault weapons banned (if they could be given a better definition), but other than that, i'm totally cool with home-defense guns, ccw, and hunting weapons. it's the mac-10s, uzis, ak-47s, etc that i have a problem with seeing... i understand it's kinda like owning a ferrari or something in the gun world, but those, in my opinion, are a lot more dangerous than a regular handgun or rifle because of how much they shoot. it's the difference between a nutjob opening fire on a bunch of people with a pistol or rifle as opposed to using an automatic... if it's going to happen, i'd rather it be with a semi-automatic (sans full auto option).

So just to clarify, you'd be cool with people owning semi-automatic AR-15s/AK-47s/similar variants?

I'm with you in that the definition of "assault weapon" should include full-auto capability.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
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personally, i wouldn't mind seeing assault weapons banned (if they could be given a better definition), but other than that, i'm totally cool with home-defense guns, ccw, and hunting weapons. it's the mac-10s, uzis, ak-47s, etc that i have a problem with seeing... i understand it's kinda like owning a ferrari or something in the gun world, but those, in my opinion, are a lot more dangerous than a regular handgun or rifle because of how much they shoot. it's the difference between a nutjob opening fire on a bunch of people with a pistol or rifle as opposed to using an automatic... if it's going to happen, i'd rather it be with a semi-automatic (sans full auto option).

Do you know just how rarely "assault" weapons are used in crimes?

As for the bolded part, you know full auto is illegal unless you are a class III FFL holder, right? Any AK47 or AR15 that you go and buy at a gun shot IS semi-auto. You are ignorant of what an assault rifle actually even is.

Now that you know this, do you still support a ban on AK47's and AR15's even though they are just semi-auto guns firing a middle-of-the-road cartridge in terms of power?



Which gun is more dangerous?

Option A)

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Option B)

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JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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My wife won't even touch a gun despite the fact that she works out of our house alone. At least we have a big dog and live on a nice street in a nice area with neighbors, some of whom, are home all day.
 

duragezic

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Oct 11, 1999
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The thing is, walking around with a gun should be tied into your identity. Why? Because you're carrying a gun, which means (or should mean) that you've thought about the consequences and the potential uses. That you've admitted you are not just willing, but ready to take a life under certain circumstances. This is a big decision and not one to be taken lightly. IMO most people probably aren't prepared to take a life. It's just not in their mentality.

If you have the time, take a look at this video. It's long but it sums up nicely what the ideal CCW mentality is, and honestly I can bet that in the time you've spent responding to this thread you could have watched it twice.

Nutnfancy - The Concealed Carry Protocol

Link skipping the melodrama of the intro (never judge a book by its cover): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei8OK4WdoW0#t=0m55s
nutnfancy FTW. I would have posted that video if you haven't. I think I turned you on to him last year actually. :)
 

pontifex

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So if your sure its a burglar and they are all the way in your house then you can blow them away. You might want to use a shotgun as you wont kill your neighbors that way too.. or at least a super expanding hollow point (anti terrorist rounds are my favorite) Id only take two shots and then worry about anyone outside or in another part of house. You really dont want to shoot your brother in law that came by to borrow a movie or something so might want to install a light on your gun, with 12 pages of posts to much to read through tho so prob already all said before.

While a buckshot might not have the penetration of a rifle or pistol round, its not just going to stick in drywall. It will penetrate several layers of drywall and wood.

anti-terrorist rounds? Do you have links to these? I've never heard of such things. Generally they're just called bullets...
 

duragezic

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Hehe, it's possible. I remember I found him through these forums. :)
You were going on a hike and talking about what items to take. I linked you some of his videos like the first aid kit and backpacking stuff (his "Extended Stay Backpacking System" series is awesome) since I didn't have any info for you but he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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My wife won't even touch a gun despite the fact that she works out of our house alone. At least we have a big dog and live on a nice street in a nice area with neighbors, some of whom, are home all day.
She touched my gun
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