Bundles featuring AMD chips with ATI graphics discounted

[apoppin]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36980

. . . if you buy an AMD CPU and ATI graphics card you get a special deal.

Newegg started doing it and the rest will follow. It is a simply strategy as it will help AMD sell more CPUs and graphic cards while the end user can benefit from a cheaper price.

This will put Nvidia in trouble - once AMD gets a competitive with R600 in sight. It will especially affect AMD?s OEM business. Imagine the price benefits an OEM or system integrator gets when it buys chipset, CPU and a Graphic card all from AMD.

This is the way to compete with Intel and Intel has been able to do this for years. Why not attack it where it hurts the most - right in its beloved platformace business? Centrino and Intel desktop platformance are now facing real competition.
...

ATi finally has the *parent* it was so desperately searching for

 

[40sTheme]

When AMD releases something high-end that is well worth buying with a high-end graphics card, I will jump on one of these combos. Provided the price is much nicer than the norm.
EDIT: Wait, just thought about it, hasn't EVERY computer component manufacturer been doing this for, um, ever?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme
When AMD releases something high-end that is well worth buying with a high-end graphics card, I will jump on one of these combos. Provided the price is much nicer than the norm.
EDIT: Wait, just thought about it, hasn't EVERY computer component manufacturer been doing this for, um, ever?

who?

who else besides intel, has CPUs and GPUs and MBs too?
[could be a song title]

Looks for x2900xtx to be bundled with AMD's highest-End CPU ... add a nice x-fire MB ...
... soon to boot.

nvidia can't do this [no CPU] ... intel sure as hell can't [no hi-end gpu]

this is the FIRST time AMD is playing it's *ATi card* since the merger
[acquisiton, whatever]

 

[40sTheme]

I'm not just talking about GPU/CPU/MB combos. Maybe not the manufacturers themselves offering combos, but online stores comboing components and offering lower prices for them. Yeah, I mistated that earlier.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme
I'm not just talking about GPU/CPU/MB combos. Maybe not the manufacturers themselves offering combos, but online stores comboing components and offering lower prices for them. Yeah, I mistated that earlier.

oh ...

well in that case ... DAAMiT is making *further* price breaks to these same e-/retailers so that *everything* will be DAAMiT.

the *marketing* of "bundles" isn't new ... the "Bundle" offer from *one manufacturer* is

 

[imported_Lothar]

So that means I'll have to ditch getting a Conroe for an AM2 all just to get this "discount"?
NOT gonna happen.

I don't expect the discount to be more than $30.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Lothar
So that means I'll have to ditch getting a Conroe for an AM2 all just to get this "discount"?
NOT gonna happen.

I don't expect the discount to be more than $30.

Yeah, I love my Conroe. Not too mention Newegg offers combos of all sorts all the time.

 

[TecHNooB]

Who came up with DAAMIT?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Lothar
So that means I'll have to ditch getting a Conroe for an AM2 all just to get this "discount"?
NOT gonna happen.

I don't expect the discount to be more than $30.

Yeah, I love my Conroe. Not too mention Newegg offers combos of all sorts all the time.

you DO know that AMD ... er DAAMiT ... is releasing new CPUs that should compete rather well with Conroe

and if AMD's new CPU + R600 and a nice MB at ... say 20% off for buying all three --- on TOP of NewEgg's discount --- it could be a rather nice alternative

at the VERY LEAST it will pressure intel to drop prices

i think it is good news --- even if you love nvidia

and DAAMiT is an *anagram* of AMD + ATi

WHO?

me, of course

[independently ... although i may not have been first]

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you DO know that AMD ... er DAAMiT ... is releasing new CPUs that should compete rather well with Conroe

I am enjoying my e6600 right now and for $297 shipped, who needs a combo?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin
you DO know that AMD ... er DAAMiT ... is releasing new CPUs that should compete rather well with Conroe

I am enjoying my e6600 right now and for $297 shipped, who needs a combo?

good for you!
:thumbsup:

let the article reply ... i couldn't say it better:

This will put Nvidia in trouble - once AMD gets a competitive with R600 in sight. It will especially affect AMD?s OEM business. Imagine the price benefits an OEM or system integrator gets when it buys chipset, CPU and a Graphic card all from AMD.

that's who ... and it adds up to big bucks

this is AMD's marketing at work ... ATi's was crap

EDIT: i just posted this in GH ... it is much bigger than just *video*

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1992152&enterthread=y

feel free to flame there

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin


this is AMD's marketing at work ... ATi's was crap

Less marketing, more product please.

Right now G80/Conroe is untouchable.

Intel sure seems to like the G80.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36958

 

[aka1nas]

Better deals on decently fast budget gaming rigs combos are a good thing for everyone. I have plenty of friends who can't handle the sticker shock of a decent C2D system yet but might be able to handle an entry-level AM2 system with a solid video card.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin


this is AMD's marketing at work ... ATi's was crap

Less marketing, more product please.

Right now G80/Conroe is untouchable.

Intel sure seems to like the G80.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36958

intel has to like the g80 ... the *other gpu* is now in the *enemy camp*

i'm sure we'd all like to see more product ... especially if we are to see DAAMiT/intel/nvidia prices fall.

it looks like nvidia had a little trouble getting drivers out for their 8800 and ATi is behind with the GPU....

no company is perfect ...

but the *near future* looks brighter and it looks like both and nvidia will get some *real pressure* ... this is AMD ... not directionless ATI

i think this thread is about the *near future* ... let the article again answer for me:

It is a simply strategy as it will help AMD sell more CPUs and graphic cards [and MBs/my edit] while the end user can benefit from a cheaper price. This will put Nvidia in trouble - once AMD gets a competitive with R600 in sight. It will especially affect AMD?s OEM business.

they are just *practising* with 1900 right now to hit nvidia and intel's midrange

good for a 'start' ... and impossible before the merger ... i'd say their timing is getting better

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Less marketing, more product please.

Right now G80/Conroe is untouchable.

Intel sure seems to like the G80.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36958

Good link... Native SLI on Intel would be a big hit. That's what would probably get me to switch in a year or so. For now I'm happy with what I have...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Less marketing, more product please.

Right now G80/Conroe is untouchable.

Intel sure seems to like the G80.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36958

Good link... Native SLI on Intel would be a big hit. That's what would probably get me to switch in a year or so. For now I'm happy with what I have...

[intel] might just lose the crown in the second part of the year. R600 also looks like a decent chip.

And with AMD's Barcelona 65 nanometre native quad-core powered with DAAMIT's new chipset and two R600 cards on the horizon. this will certainly make Intel run for its money.

Intel simply has to suck up enough to Nvidia and get the right to use SLI on its boards and Nvidia needs Intel as much. We think that SLI on Intel boards is around the corner as Jensen has to stop being stubborn and make a deal with Intel.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yeah, this might just be enough to force Jensen and Paul to pose together with cheesy fake smiles as they announce SLI support on Intel chipsets.

As for AMD taking the crown in CPU power, well, I just don't know about that. I mean, Intels slowest Conroe battles it out with AMD's fastest right now. (with some very minor o/cing) and AMD's o/cin'g on the top end is just not there right now. 65nm hopefully will remedy that (somewhat). I would like to DAAMIT release something utterly astonishing! But I don't think it's very likely to dominate. Compete? Well, I hope so.

 

[apoppin]

From a thread i started in the CPU forum [a long time ago]:

Originally posted by: Regs
AMD stated that their Barcelona will offer 150% increase in performance over K8. Though when you consider it's 4 cores you can easily split that percentage up in real world performance to be 37-38% which would make it a little over par with the Core 2. They also talk about increased parallelism. What that will translates into real world performance is yet to be seen.

"The most obvious change we will see will be the addition of a shared L3 cache. This new L3 cache, debuting at 2MB in Athlons and Opterons, will be used by all four cores. Each core will also have their own smaller L1 (64KB) and L2 (512KB) caches that can be shared by all the cores as well. This moves towards latency reduction in an attempt to lay the hardware groundwork for truly parallel software programming that can use all the cores simultaneously.

- http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTE3NCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

AMD is improving their Interconnect for more than just performance. Even with a cross-trade tech agreement with Intel, their competition will have a lot of catch-up to do before they can even reach AMDs advancements.

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When talking to both Phil and Pat, we got some interesting answers about advancements in Instructions Per Clock with the Barcelona Pat Conway said that we will see a ?performance improvement of 150% over the next two years that will be within the same power envelope.? If you take into account that you can back off frequency and add more cores, some of this can be achieved now if you are counting IPC across all cores. (See below how simply pulling back on frequency by as little as 16% can have a huge impact on power draw.) Intel is bound by the same principles as well.


On IPC and AMD?s Barcelona Phil Hester had this to say: ?We want to stay focused on upgrade compatibility. We must realize more IPC per watt, and our next-generation architecture will show a 50% improvement of IPC per watt.? So I came away with a somewhat clouded view on IPC, but I did get the distinct impression that AMD?s next-generation architecture would be on par or better than what we have seen with Intel?s Core 2 Duo, which is the low benchmark AMD must shoot for.
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i think they will at the very least be *competitive*

AMD didn't have the Performance crown for 3 years to give it up so easily to intel.

AMD simply *regrouped* and it takes time for a merger to work well ... it look like they are on the *attack* and DO have the product to back it up ...

i don't think they will EVER give up the GPU performance crown pursuit:
AMD plans high-end desktop graphics chips for at least next three years

 

[Canterwood]

OEM's will love it, as they'll be able to provide a complete solution at a very competitive price.
Thats where the real money is, and AMD might be able to clean up in that area.

 

[5150Joker]

AMD/ATi needs to start taking the notebook market seriously again because nVidia has made large gains in that sector. Anyway if this strategy is successful I see nothing stopping Intel + nVidia partnering up and offering bundles to retail partners.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
AMD/ATi needs to start taking the notebook market seriously again because nVidia has made large gains in that sector. Anyway if this strategy is successful I see nothing stopping Intel + nVidia partnering up and offering bundles to retail partners.

exactly

DAAMiT offering *bundles* and intel + nvidia offering *bundles*
[somebody will swallow their pride and intel will partner with nvidia]
:Q

we win!
:beer::music::gift:

good news!
:thumbsup:

thought we needed some

 

[thestain]

With the R600 out in the middle of March and the new Quad Core out this summer.. I think I will be taking advantage of the bundle on both late this summer!! drool. maybe by then the A15 version of the R600 OC to 1 GHZ will be out!

Mike

 

[jim1976]

I don't like the idea of merging that much.. It might help for better technologies to develop, but it might slow down the tech progress as well, if ithe strategy is not carefully implemented..
A price drop imho through a bundle will not be enough to compensate the fact that I loose consumer choices.. (ATI+Nvidia) (ATI+AMD) (Intel+ATI) or (ATI+Nvidia).. It is not necessarily bad but I don't like the idea of fewer choices..And I don't expect the bundles to make the difference..

This market is an oligopoly by itself, if they continue to shrink it I don't expect a "bright" consumer future

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: jim1976
I don't like the idea of merging that much.. It might help for better technologies to develop, but it might slow down the tech progress as well, if ithe strategy is not carefully implemented..
A price drop imho through a bundle will not be enough to compensate the fact that I loose consumer choices.. (ATI+Nvidia) (ATI+AMD) (Intel+ATI) or (ATI+Nvidia).. It is not necessarily bad but I don't like the idea of fewer choices..And I don't expect the bundles to make the difference..

This market is an oligopoly by itself, if they continue to shrink it I don't expect a "bright" consumer future

These companies must provide graphics cards and CPU's that are affordable or else they will simply see the market for their products continue to shrink. Just look at this generation and how successful the transition for PC to console has been. I haven't owned a console since the PS1 yet I went out and purchased an Xbox 360 this generation and use it a hell of a lot more than my PC simply because the PC costs too much and doesn't offer enough compelling games. These hardware manufacturers need to join the MS Games for Windows bandwagon and start subsidizing video games for the PC if they want to prevent their PC market from drying up.