Bullet Serialization

[Dr. Zaus]

Test done by california (PDF warning)

from the NSFF

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

Personally: I think this is a good thing.

 

[kylebisme]

Chris Rock's argument is good for a laugh, but it shows little understanding of reality. Artificially inflating the price of ammunition with such serialization will only bolster the black market for unmarked bullets, giving criminals even easier access to ammunition while further disarming those of us who abide by such laws.

 

[MotF Bane]

It's just another form of gun control really, and one without quite the same ring to it.

 

[frostedflakes]

Sounds pretty lame to me.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: DixyCrat
Test done by california (PDF warning)

from the NSFF

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

Personally: I think this is a good thing.

Great, criminals get illegal cheap bullets and law abiding citizens get priced out.

 

[sandorski]

Won't draw any tears from me.

 

[babylon5]

I say go ahead and try it.

 

[Wheezer]

You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

 

[theflyingpig]

Another stupid attempt at gun control. Its simple to cast your own bullets and completely avoid this. People in favor of gun control are all mindless idiots.

 

[Shortass]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

Yep, pretty soon many gun owners in the country will be making their own bullets. Nobody will buy bullets from vendors anymore and the black market will grow exponentially.

Right.

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

What the hell kind of BS is this garbage, it doesn't make any sense. Dramatically lower sales? Lower supply, so that's fine, instead of an abundance of spare bullets the supply chain will be managed more closely. Big deal. Profitability wouldn't be affected because they'd just raise the price to cover the costs, people would shoot a bit less if it becomes prohibitively expensive, and the people who truly demand ammunition will have to suck it up with higher price. Nobody will be forced out of the market unless they really don't care that much about shooting guns, in which case they shouldn't be complaining.

Let's blow everything out of proportion, sky's falling, death to America!

 

[Jiggz]

I can already see the price of re-loading machines going up the roof!

 

[Moonbeam]

When the rare and as yet unknown farm animal virus knows as Red Neck Killing Spree Virus, the symptoms of which are that rural folk go nuts and start shooting up their neighbors for a hundred miles around, breaks the animal human barrier and starts an epidemic, we will see a new population, presently enamored of the NRA, drift off into active support for banning guns.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Shortass

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

Yep, pretty soon many gun owners in the country will be making their own bullets. Nobody will buy bullets from vendors anymore and the black market will grow exponentially.

Right.

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

What the hell kind of BS is this garbage, it doesn't make any sense. Dramatically lower sales? Lower supply, so that's fine, instead of an abundance of spare bullets the supply chain will be managed more closely. Big deal. Profitability wouldn't be affected because they'd just raise the price to cover the costs, people would shoot a bit less if it becomes prohibitively expensive, and the people who truly demand ammunition will have to suck it up with higher price. Nobody will be forced out of the market unless they really don't care that much about shooting guns, in which case they shouldn't be complaining.

Let's blow everything out of proportion, sky's falling, death to America!

So you're ok with the government having to spend 100x more on bullets for law enforcement and the military? Do you realize how much ammunition the military expends daily? You don't do you? You have no idea. You are just another mindless idiot.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When the rare and as yet unknown farm animal virus knows as Red Neck Killing Spree Virus, the symptoms of which are that rural folk go nuts and start shooting up their neighbors for a hundred miles around, breaks the animal human barrier and starts an epidemic, we will see a new population, presently enamored of the NRA, drift off into active support for banning guns.

Sorry Moonie, but city folks are far more murderous.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/abstract/usrv98.htm

There's the facts. You and your fellow city-folk are far more dangerous to be around than Cletus and his redneck kin.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Shortass

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

Yep, pretty soon many gun owners in the country will be making their own bullets. Nobody will buy bullets from vendors anymore and the black market will grow exponentially.

Right.

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

What the hell kind of BS is this garbage, it doesn't make any sense. Dramatically lower sales? Lower supply, so that's fine, instead of an abundance of spare bullets the supply chain will be managed more closely. Big deal. Profitability wouldn't be affected because they'd just raise the price to cover the costs, people would shoot a bit less if it becomes prohibitively expensive, and the people who truly demand ammunition will have to suck it up with higher price. Nobody will be forced out of the market unless they really don't care that much about shooting guns, in which case they shouldn't be complaining.

Let's blow everything out of proportion, sky's falling, death to America!

So you're ok with the government having to spend 100x more on bullets for law enforcement and the military? Do you realize how much ammunition the military expends daily? You don't do you? You have no idea. You are just another mindless idiot.

But the military is bad. The only good use of taxpayers money is abortions and bank bailouts.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

it's not that hard to make bullets. it's like making tin soldiers, except ...
with gunpowder.

 

[Shortass]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

So you're ok with the government having to spend 100x more on bullets for law enforcement and the military? Do you realize how much ammunition the military expends daily? You don't do you? You have no idea. You are just another mindless idiot.

No, I don't know how many bullets the military expends daily, but I'm sure it's a lot. That has nothing to do with my intelligence of course, but you apparently love to repeat yourself so I'll let you have your fun.

If it actually costs 100x more per bullet, which I'm sure is a gross exaggeration considering the source, the free market will correct it by streamlining processes and figuring out how to get it done cheaper. It's what business does. Stop being an alarmist.

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

But the military is bad. The only good use of taxpayers money is abortions and bank bailouts.

Pretty sure nobody mentioned any of this here, but since I'm obviously a brainwashed liberal-media obsessed extremist, every talking point you've picked up over the past decade is perfectly applicable. I have no problem with the military as an institution.

And what the hell kind of taxpayers money is going to abortions? Private abortion clinics must be costing us a lot as a country, am I right? And who the hell said the bank bailouts were good? Oh right, the conservatives at the top of the financial institutes who were begging Congress to give them money. So I fail to see any of your points.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Dumbass

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

So you're ok with the government having to spend 100x more on bullets for law enforcement and the military? Do you realize how much ammunition the military expends daily? You don't do you? You have no idea. You are just another mindless idiot.

No, I don't know how many bullets the military expends daily, but I'm sure it's a lot. That has nothing to do with my intelligence of course, but you apparently love to repeat yourself so I'll let you have your fun.

If it actually costs 100x more per bullet, which I'm sure is a gross exaggeration considering the source, the free market will correct it by streamlining processes and figuring out how to get it done cheaper. It's what business does. Stop being an alarmist.

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

But the military is bad. The only good use of taxpayers money is abortions and bank bailouts.

Pretty sure nobody mentioned any of this here, but since I'm obviously a brainwashed liberal-media obsessed extremist, every talking point you've picked up over the past decade is perfectly applicable. I have no problem with the military as an institution.

And what the hell kind of taxpayers money is going to abortions? Private abortion clinics must be costing us a lot as a country, am I right? And who the hell said the bank bailouts were good? Oh right, the conservatives at the top of the financial institutes who were begging Congress to give them money. So I fail to see any of your points.

Not too bright, are you?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: Shortass

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

Yep, pretty soon many gun owners in the country will be making their own bullets. Nobody will buy bullets from vendors anymore and the black market will grow exponentially.

Right.

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

What the hell kind of BS is this garbage, it doesn't make any sense. Dramatically lower sales? Lower supply, so that's fine, instead of an abundance of spare bullets the supply chain will be managed more closely. Big deal. Profitability wouldn't be affected because they'd just raise the price to cover the costs, people would shoot a bit less if it becomes prohibitively expensive, and the people who truly demand ammunition will have to suck it up with higher price. Nobody will be forced out of the market unless they really don't care that much about shooting guns, in which case they shouldn't be complaining.

Let's blow everything out of proportion, sky's falling, death to America!

So you're ok with the government having to spend 100x more on bullets for law enforcement and the military? Do you realize how much ammunition the military expends daily? You don't do you? You have no idea. You are just another mindless idiot.

Give the Military an exception. Law Enforcement would not be excepted though.

 

[Nebor]

This is just ridiculous. I can make my own ammunition. Serializing ammo would just drive the costs through the roof and price firearms further out of the reach of those who need them the most (the poor.) Gun control is an elitist policy. Liberals don't care that I own machine guns, because I paid tens of thousands of dollars for them, so I must be an ok guy.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nebor
This is just ridiculous. I can make my own ammunition. Serializing ammo would just drive the costs through the roof and price firearms further out of the reach of those who need them the most (the poor.) Gun control is an elitist policy. Liberals don't care that I own machine guns, because I paid tens of thousands of dollars for them, so I must be an ok guy.

For this to work, you would not be permitted to use your homemade Ammunition. Possible exception being for Target Shooting.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Shortass

Originally posted by: Wheezer
You know, many people have the materials, knowledge and ability to manufacture their own...which would make this pointless.

Yep, pretty soon many gun owners in the country will be making their own bullets. Nobody will buy bullets from vendors anymore and the black market will grow exponentially.

Right.

"This massive reduction in ammunition would translate into substantially lower sales and profitability and ultimately force major ammunition manufacturers to abandon the market. In turn, there would be a severe shortage of serialized ammunition and all consumers, including federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, would be faced with substantial price increases."

What the hell kind of BS is this garbage, it doesn't make any sense. Dramatically lower sales? Lower supply, so that's fine, instead of an abundance of spare bullets the supply chain will be managed more closely. Big deal. Profitability wouldn't be affected because they'd just raise the price to cover the costs, people would shoot a bit less if it becomes prohibitively expensive, and the people who truly demand ammunition will have to suck it up with higher price. Nobody will be forced out of the market unless they really don't care that much about shooting guns, in which case they shouldn't be complaining.

Let's blow everything out of proportion, sky's falling, death to America!

LMAO....you are so fucking dim.

what is the purpose of this?

it is so that when a round is fired and it kills someone, ideally law enforcement can track the round back to the source find out where it was sold and who bought it...so they can solve a murder.

My point...if something like this were to pass

#1 it is unenforceable.

#2 everybody and their brother including and especially gangs will start casting their own bullets.

it would not to take long to amass a good supply of ammunition for gang warfare.

Gun owners in the US are NOT the military and NOT the police...they do not go out and fire hundreds or thousands of rounds every day. They go out they pop off a few shots at the target range or in the back yard...it would not take long to replenish what was used.

So if they want to put serial numbers on bullets fine....let me know when so I can invest my money into companies that manufacture equipment and provide material for the making of bullets.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nebor
This is just ridiculous. I can make my own ammunition. Serializing ammo would just drive the costs through the roof and price firearms further out of the reach of those who need them the most (the poor.) Gun control is an elitist policy. Liberals don't care that I own machine guns, because I paid tens of thousands of dollars for them, so I must be an ok guy.

For this to work, you would not be permitted to use your homemade Ammunition. Possible exception being for Target Shooting.

Yeah, and how do you regulate that? You didn't think that through, did you? So.... he may only use his home made ammo for target shooting, but if he plans on killing someone or robbing someone, he must use his serialized ammo? Do I even have to say that you are fucking clueless, or did you figure that out yourself yet?


Good god, the thought process of the gun grabbers is fucking ridiculous.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nebor
This is just ridiculous. I can make my own ammunition. Serializing ammo would just drive the costs through the roof and price firearms further out of the reach of those who need them the most (the poor.) Gun control is an elitist policy. Liberals don't care that I own machine guns, because I paid tens of thousands of dollars for them, so I must be an ok guy.

For this to work, you would not be permitted to use your homemade Ammunition. Possible exception being for Target Shooting.

LMAO. You're only allowed to use homemade ammunition for target shooting, but if you're going to commit a crime and shoot someone, then you have to use the serialized ammunition.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nebor
This is just ridiculous. I can make my own ammunition. Serializing ammo would just drive the costs through the roof and price firearms further out of the reach of those who need them the most (the poor.) Gun control is an elitist policy. Liberals don't care that I own machine guns, because I paid tens of thousands of dollars for them, so I must be an ok guy.

For this to work, you would not be permitted to use your homemade Ammunition. Possible exception being for Target Shooting.

LMAO. You're only allowed to use homemade ammunition for target shooting, but if you're going to commit a crime and shoot someone, then you have to use the serialized ammunition.

Yep. Criminals always listen about using the right ammunition when committing a crime.