Building new overclocking system..... need advice

Devo2007

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I've decided that I want to build a true enthusiast desktop system in the next month or so. I've decided on a few components already (such as a case and such), but would like some pointers. I do plan on overclocking the system.

I need something that will support 8GB of RAM and 6 hard drives, as this system will be used as a media server, gaming system, and a virtualized network setup as well (I want to learn more about networking, and don't have the space for 5-6 computers to devote to this).

Here's what I know right now.

Case: Cooler Master COSMOS 1000. I really like the design of this case (good cable management, seems to have great airflow, and is relatively silent). Yes, this system will be used in my bedroom, and if I can avoid having to turn it off at night, I'll be happy.

CPU: I'm torn between the E8400 and the Q6600. I'm not doing 3D animation / tons of video encoding work, so in all fairness I think the E8400 would be a better processor for me. AFAIK, games don't really take advantage of quad core yet.

Motherboard: Here's where I'm completely stumped. I haven't owned an Intel desktop since my P4 1.6A system. I now I DON'T want an ABit board (haven't been happy with the two boards I've had). I want something with DDR2 memory support (DDR3 is way overpriced right now). SLI or Crossfire support would be nice, but I'm not picky as to which would be better (or if I'd even use that).

RAM: 2 x OCZ 4GB PC2-6400 memory. I know overclocking will be limited, but I've seen very few "somewhat affordable" 4GB kits with faster speeds here in Canada. If there is a better option for under $200 per 4GB kit, I'd consider an upgrade here.

Video Card: I'm leaning towards the ATI Radeon HD3870 X2 card, but I also know the nVidia 9800 GX2 is coming out by the time I'm buying. Again, I'm not picky as long as it offers great performance.

Hard Drives: Only one I really need right now is an OS drive, and for that I'm thinking a 150GB Raptor will do the trick. Might toss a few VMs on here too. If it would help even more, I could probably budget in a second Raptor for use in RAID 0 mode if it would provide a noticeable improvement. As for the "media server" role, I already have 4 x 500GB drives I'm using for that (I want to use RAID5 for that).

Optical Drive: LG's HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo drive + a basic DVD-ROM drive. Yes I know HD-DVD is dead, but there are still some movies I'd get that are currently exclusive to that format. $239 Canadian really isn't bad for a combo drive at this point in time.

PSU: I've really liked my Corsair HX620W, but feel it might be a bit underpowered for my new system. Advice here would be useful.

I think that pretty much sums it up. Eventually I plan to get either 2 x 24" displays, or a single 30" LCD to replace the 21" one I have now.

Overall, I'm budgeting around $2000 Canadian for this setup (minus the LCD).
 

Roguestar

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There are a whole rake of near-identical threads in this forum right now; take a look at those to get a flavour of what's being suggested.

Basic suggestions:
Intel E8400 because you're gaming and not rendering
P35 motherboard (gigabyte DS3L/R perhaps)
3870X2 if you have to have the single best single-card solution for graphics.
500W~ PSU Corsair/Seasonic/Antec/OCZ (antec earthwatts and Corsair HX good)
620W is not underpowered for any quad-core system right now. People will sell you 1.2kW PSUs if you'll be convinced you think you'll need it.
2x4GB of DDR2-800 (search newegg (or tigerdirect for something similar I guess), $90 for g.skill 2x2GB)
You had better be using Vista x64 if you're wanting to see all that RAM. (Personally I'd get 4GB and leave it at that; I doubt any game will touch the other 4 if you toss it in).
RAID-0 = no noticeable real-world performance difference
Higher density drive better $/GB than raptor, equal performance. See also Samsung Spinpoint 750GB.


Also, when you say "true enthusiast system" remember the quote in my sig. You can get the best thing for your money or you can get amazing stuff for a performance placebo effect.
 

tynopik

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Originally posted by: Devo2007
I need something that will support 8GB of RAM and 6 hard drives, as this system will be used as a media server, gaming system, and a virtualized network setup as well (I want to learn more about networking, and don't have the space for 5-6 computers to devote to this).

the question is: how serious are you about virtualization?

Originally posted by: Devo2007
CPU: I'm torn between the E8400 and the Q6600. I'm not doing 3D animation / tons of video encoding work, so in all fairness I think the E8400 would be a better processor for me. AFAIK, games don't really take advantage of quad core yet.

if you're serious about virtualization, go with the Q6600

Originally posted by: Devo2007
RAM: 2 x OCZ 4GB PC2-6400 memory. I know overclocking will be limited

with a Q6600, that ram will NOT limit your overclocking (unless you're super hardcore, pushing past 3.6GHz just isn't really feasible)

i would be more concerned about being memory limited if you were running a bunch of VMs at once (shoot for 8gb)

Originally posted by: Devo2007
Hard Drives: Only one I really need right now is an OS drive, and for that I'm thinking a 150GB Raptor will do the trick. Might toss a few VMs on here too.

probably not a bad idea as VMs generally have poor disk performance

Originally posted by: Devo2007
If it would help even more, I could probably budget in a second Raptor for use in RAID 0 mode if it would provide a noticeable improvement.

probably not

one thing to consider is windows server 2008 with Hyper-V which is going to have some really cool virtualization features

http://www.microsoft.com/windo...008/en/us/default.aspx


 

imported_wired247

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honestly I almost bought a cosmos case myself, until I found this one and I'm much happier for it. Excellent case design in every way IMO, probably the best Lian Li case ever made so far IMO. Really roomy inside for the biggest video cards, as well. Also, the most important factor IMO is the far superior HD cooling compared to the cosmos case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811112155


Get the 3870x2, it is a great value.


Skip the raptor and get something with higher platter density like a 320GB single platter drive. Higher density at 7200 rpm means better speed, in general. Raptor is getting outdated and it's way expensive per GB and the performance just isn't there anymore.



I fail to see how this is a "true enthusiast build" ...even if you are a true enthusiast this just looks like a typical desktop build to me :)

Where's the watercooling, $600 SAS RAID card, and 15krpm drives? :)

Also for 4GB you should be spending like $80, not $200. (USD) get good quality RAM even at a slower speed and most likely you can speed it up yourself safely. For example my corsair ram in my signature was rated 5-5-5-15 @ 400MHz but I am running it at 4-4-4-12 without issue.

 

Devo2007

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Thanks for the replies.

Virtualization will play a fairly large role with the system, hence the 8GB of RAM requirement (4 x 2GB modules). I've actually considered Windows Server 2008 as a test platform (even if I download their trial version first).

Any idea when the new 45nm quad-cores are due out? (Extreme Edition doesn't count).